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RM Vivas

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One of the great things about the Registered Magnum is that unlike most other guns, the identity of the end user is often available. This allows the collector to research the sort of fellow who ordered the gun and perhaps even discover some of the (mis)adventures the purchaser might have embarked upon with that particular arm.

Another marvelous thing about the RM is that the Registration Certificate tells us exactly how the gun was configured when it left the factory.

One thing I have learned while going through RM records, and a point that I can not stress enough, is that a Registration Certificate should not be considered the end-all-be-all for documentation.

When a RM would change hands, the new owner could have the certificate re-issued in their name. The seller would endorse their Certificate over the new owner who would then send it to S&W and have a new certificate issued. Many times, the seller would contact S&W directly and mention that they sold their gun and list who it was sold to.

This particular document that I stumbled across is pretty typical of these transactions. What is NOT typical is that when the correspondence was digitized, the ORIGINAL certificate was digitized as well!

Since Registration Certificate did not survive as well as the guns they documented, I thought I would include this letter and the certificate.

One point I would like to make extremely clear is that a lot could happen to a gun after it left the factory that might not be reflected on a Registration Certificate.

I have seen correspondence on dozens of guns that were sent in for a barrel bob and then returned to the original owner. The Certificates won't reflect. Just because a guns current configuration does not match the Certificate and the Invoice & Order forms does not necessarily mean the gun is 'wrong'. The only way to know if it was a factory job would be to order a Deep Dive, something one should be doing anyway on a multi-thousands of dollars gun!

Anyway, RM1306-48626 changed hands and the original certificate was returned and a new one issued.

These documents came from the Smith & Wesson Historical Association; you**™re a member, aren**™t you?

Membership – Smith & Wesson Historical Foundation

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RM Vivas
 

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Very interesting Robert, thanks for the post. I very much agree on the benefits of the S&W letter and "deep dive" for additional documentation. I have three RMs, although no certificates, but all three have documentation as to their original owners. One was gifted to a California NG Artillery Battery Commander by the men of his battery and he went on to command a heavy artillery battalion in WWII retiring as a Colonel after also serving in the Korean war. Another was purchased by a Coast Guard Lieutenant who also served in WWII and retired as a Rear Admiral. The third was ordered by a police officer in Evansville, IN in 1939. The deep dive info returned was especially useful in that case as it showed that the original S&W letter was in error on the configuration and a subsequent letter was provided confirming the current configuration as what it was when originally shipped. Membership in the SWCA and the SW Historical Foundation is certainly a benefit for any S&W collector.

Jeff
SWCA #1457
 
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Jeff - Holy Smokes !!!
That is a stunning revolver !!!

Funny I just was delivering a gun just now on behalf of another forum member to an Engraver located here in OKC. I had Engraving on my mind on the way home.
 
Or the factory misreads the order instructions. Deputy Spencer ordered a nickel RM, received a blue one, then sent it back for the nickel. Also fun to re-read the request for trigger pulls similar to Jelly Brice.

lloyd17-albums-geo-f-spencer-picture20400-reg-4361-order-letter.pdf


lloyd17-albums-geo-f-spencer-picture20401-reg-4361-nickel-letter.jpg


No, not nickel but it is now engraved. One of 23 8 inch RMs that the factory produced and likely the only one with a Baughman ramp front sight on a King base.

Jeff
SWCA #1457

https://flic.kr/p/2n22E6d https://www.flickr.com/photos/194934231@N03/

This one was ordered with a Baughman ramp on a plain ramp but I guess a King was utilized.

lloyd17-albums-geo-f-spencer-picture20422-kes02215.jpg
 
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This one was ordered with a Baughman ramp on a plain ramp but I guess a King was utilized.

lloyd17-albums-geo-f-spencer-picture20422-kes02215.jpg

Very nice, great story too. I should have been more clear, there were likely quite a few RMs with Baughman ramp sights but they were on 6.5 or shorter length barrels. As far as I know, there were no other 8 inch RMs with a Baughman ramp.

Jeff
SWCA #1457
 
Very interesting Robert, thanks for the post. I very much agree on the benefits of the S&W letter and "deep dive" for additional documentation. I have three RMs, although no certificates, but all three have documentation as to their original owners. One was gifted to a California NG Artillery Battery Commander by the men of his battery and he went on to command a heavy artillery battalion in WWII retiring as a Colonel after also serving in the Korean war. Another was purchased by a Coast Guard Lieutenant who also served in WWII and retired as a Rear Admiral. The third was ordered by a police officer in Evansville, IN in 1939. The deep dive info returned was especially useful in that case as it showed that the original S&W letter was in error on the configuration and a subsequent letter was provided confirming the current configuration as what it was when originally shipped. Membership in the SWCA and the SW Historical Foundation is certainly a benefit for any S&W collector.

Jeff
SWCA #1457

I've just recently been looking at documents on a number of Non-Registered Magnums that went to the Evansville Police.

Best,
RM Vivas
 

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