When Were N-Frame Target Stocks Like These Put On Guns?

Wyatt Burp

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My 1979 25-5 came with these stocks. In a different thread I was told these aren't original to the gun for that time period with that speed loader cutaway. Well, I'm looking at a 1972 era 27-2 for sale that has these exact stocks, too. I assumed this style were from the 80's but are they right for an early 70's gun? When were S&W's shipped with these stocks?
Thanks ahead of time.

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Speedloaders weren't even available yet in 1979. To my knowledge they came out in late 1981 or 1982. I think the stocks on your gun are from the wrong era. That 1972 27-2 you are looking at definately WOULD NOT have speedloader cutout targets, someone has switched them out.
 
I carried Dade speed loaders for my Model 58 in the 70's

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Wyatt,

I wouldn't be so quick to say the Grips on your 27-5 weren't correct!! This Speedloader Cut-Out Style Grip started showing up on Production 27's & 29's as early as the Mid-Seventies!!

Oh really? Show us some pictures with serial numbers.
BTW, his is a 25-5 not a 27-5.:)
 
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Wyatt,

I wouldn't be so quick to say the Grips on your 25-5 weren't correct!! This Speedloader Cut-Out Style Grip started showing up on "Most" Production N-Frames as early as the Mid-Seventies!! I do believe though the 27-2 you're looking at is "Not" Correct with these Grips & should only have Grips with the "Football Shaped" Extractor Cut-Out!! Alot of the Grips like your Revolver wears were also Date-Stamped!! You might want to check if you already haven't done so!!

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One thing I forgot to mention that may help date yours if they aren't Date-Stamped is the Early Versions still had the Stamped Steel Stock Inserts on the backside!! In the Early Eighties these Metal Inserts were eliminated and the Stock Insert was milled into the wood itself & the Medallion was peened over into the wood!!
My two 24-3's have the original footballs and they are indeed stamped in ink "1983". There was no markings on the ones pictured on this .45.
 
To All!!

Deleted post due to too much controversy as to what S&W did or didn't do!! I have seen more than my fair share that had this style grip prior to 1980 to not have been available in the time-frame I posted!! Sorry to have caused such an uproar!!
 
To All!!

Deleted post due to too much controversy as to what S&W did or didn't do!! I have seen more than my fair share that had this style grip prior to 1980 to not have been available in the time-frame I posted!! Sorry to have caused such an uproar!!

No controversy or uproar. Did you consider they may have been changed out for later grips? As and example, HKS, the most popular speedloader's patent was not even issued until May 1980, Safariland came on board much later. True there were some off brands like Dades and others out before then, with patents back as far as 1946, but the idea of putting speedloader cutouts on the grips had not caught on yet 'til late 1981 or 1982. Just show us some proof, no offense, no foul.
 
To All!!

Deleted post due to too much controversy as to what S&W did or didn't do!! I have seen more than my fair share that had this style grip prior to 1980 to not have been available in the time-frame I posted!! Sorry to have caused such an uproar!!

I don't see the "controversy or uproar" that you speak of.
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Some Evidence!!!

To All!!

Here is a Photo of the Pre-Eighties "Speedloader" Target Stocks taken from a *1978* S&W Catalog!! (See Date Code in Second Photo) Now before you start,I realize the Photo I'm posting is for K-Frames & not N-Frames as you are inquiring about,but as soon as I can come up with "Concrete" Documentation to their availability for N-Frames prior to the Eighties I'll post those Photos as well!! Just wanted to let everyone know these "Speedloader" Target Stocks were available earlier than the Eighties!!
 
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Speedloaders have been around a long time

I bought my Model 29 6.5 inch around 1974 or 1975. It has the speedloader cut target grips which came with the original wood presentation box. I have still have 3 speedloaders I bought for it at the time.

If you don't believe the memories of an old guy, watch Magnum Force (1973) again. Hal Holbrook make Clint Eastwood throw his 3 speedloaders out the car window.
 
I recall the early 80's when the change over to speed-loader cutouts occurred. I purchased a lot of N, L, and K frame guns during that time that were factory fresh and NIB. The significance is they haven't sifted through other peoples hands, and I still have almost all of them - intact and exactly as shipped. I'm writing this because I believe any "newbies" reading posts like this may be confused by the controversy....

The first cut-outs I can remember seeing were on two first month of production 686's.

Many people, especially law enforcement, were excited to see the new cut-outs as the old stocks really were a detriment to speed-loader use. Many people who preferred wood grips to the Pachmayr style immediately sought the new cut-out grips to replace their earlier "footballs", casually swapping grips without a second thought.

Today it's obvious this stocks issue can cause a lot of confusion as so many people have bought and sold these guns through the years. A few still remain NIB but somewhere along the way the original grips were exchanged for cut-outs with the gun still being portrayed as "original". It's reasonable to accept a subsequent owner is convinced the gun is "as shipped" from S&W, when in fact someone, perhaps wanting to keep an exceptionally beautiful set of grips, swapped them for others..

The functionality of the speed-loader cutouts accelerated the grip changes and along with it the concern for grip "correctness" . The guns were sold or traded not considering or understanding there would ever be any concern about the "correctness" of the grips... after all, they're all original S&W production... right?

Soon after the "L's" began showing up so did the cut-outs on the "K" and "N" frames. I have two Mod 66-1s that actually went the other way with stocks. Each gun, one a 4" in the 39K serial range and the other a 6" in the 60K area were both delivered NIB with "footballs," well into the time frame when they should have been delivered with cut-outs... The two 66's were a LE order directly from S&W and the possibility they could have been changed somewhere in a distribution chain was nil....

I've heard so many people be absolutely positive their earlier S&W came with the cut-outs and I can fully understand how they came to their conclusions. I've only heard from a couple, however, who were the original owners of their guns claim the guns were as delivered with cut-outs before the approximate 1980 arrival of the cut-outs...

Woulda been nice if the record keeping, production numbers, and other issues so important to "correctness" would have been kept through the years...:)

Just sayin' and JMHO:)
 
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TDC may be right. I am the original owner of my model 29, purchased new at a gun shop. Later I put a set of Pachmayr grips on it. I am not certain how much later. All that stuff is up at my farm so I do not have it handy for reference.

I did buy the speedloaders back in the mid 70's but can't swear I used them with the original grips without having them here to look at.
 
To All!!

Here is a Photo of the Pre-Eighties "Speedloader" Target Stocks taken from a *1978* S&W Catalog!! (See Date Code in Second Photo)

I think you are misconstruing the number in the picture is a date code unless it is stamped as a 1978 catalog. I'm looking at a S&W Instruction Sheet that has 01-1274-59 stamped on it, but it is not from 1974 because in another place on the same sheet it has a date code like this "S&W 3-67".
 
Well "Magnum Force" came out in 1973 and I know there are speedloaders used in that film...
 
To further add to the discussion there were target stocks made earlier than the 80's that were very similar to the speed-loader cut-outs but for a different purpose.

A couple of commemorative S&W's guns that come to mind were the 125 Anniversary Mod.25-3 in 1977 and the Texas Ranger which was introduced much earlier. Their cuts in the stocks were to display the commemorative symbols rather than to accommodate speed-loaders.... but those special features convinced some people the cut-outs were available on much earlier guns.... Guns like the one pictured below (mfg. 1977) have contributed to the speed-loader cut confusion..

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I have a Model 57 from 1974 that had these stocks on it when I bought it, but there is a 1985 stamp on the inside surface of the wood. I imagine the original stocks for my gun are long gone, worse luck. Most of its life it probably had goodyears on it; there was a light grime line on the left side that matches a high-rise rubber grip.

I eventually put some Kuracs on the gun; wise move. It is a fine target revolver.
 
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