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Wait These Are Cokes! I Think!
I just got to looking in "The Book" and on EBAY at completed auctions (mainly the ones that sold). These old diamond targets on the M28 I bought today are Cokes! Swell in the middle at the diamond and tapering off from there just like a Coke bottle. Really hard to get a picture. Correct me if I'm wrong. They just feel different in the hand relative to all the others I have.
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I don't see all of the Coke traits there. Can you send photos from the sides and bottom? The jury is still out for me.
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I can see the swell you refer to but the swell is not as prominent as I would expect on Coke stocks/grips. I do not think these are Coke grips because the checkering does not extend far enough towards the bottom of the stocks/grips.
A side view would help.
Bottom view of Coke stock/grips (left side of picture) versus Target stocks/grips (right side of picture).
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Hello Doc B, Looking at your pic i would not think they are Cokes.
The checkering pattern is a bit finer on cokes and the checkering on cokes take up more of the grip.
There are some great side by side pics of both on the forum if you do a search on cokes.
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A profile photo would be better, but that's enough to determine that they're not Cokes. You can't go by the presence of a slight palmswell. The checkered area is larger on Cokes and the height of the uncheckered band above butt tells me those are simply walnut diamond targets.
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I'll have to follow along with the group,not cokes. The thought was exciting for a few minutes though.
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Oh Doc, it sucks to get shattered like this. I feel for you man, but its a New Year coming up.
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Another way to tell with your eyes closed. Grab the gun with your left hand around the cylinder. Use just your thumb and forefinger. Place those finger tips on the medallions on either side. Then slide your fingers down toward the butt. If you've got a dirty mind, by the time your fingers get to the bottom check to see if you've got a huge smile on your face. If you do, its because you just felt the coke bottle shape. Maybe even if you don't have a dirty mind, but it helps. Try it sometime, and see if you can keep a straight face.
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Oh you all are terrible. Now here's a photo of the bottom that looks just like the one on the left in the pic above and not at all like the one on the right. According to the book, Cokes were made well into the 1960's which I would think would mean a coarser and smaller area of checkering. Messing up my New Year and it's not even here yet. I only paid $560 for the M28 somebody stuck these on, and it's stone mint; so, I'm still good plus some. Just did what Dick suggested and I'm smiling. . .maybe I'm easy to please.
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Doc absolutely not cokes
Sorry to join the parade.
The first thing I always look for is the checkering field.
Still a very good buy
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Oh Doc, it sucks to get shattered like this. I feel for you man, but its a New Year coming up.
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where "cokes" standard grips @ any point & time? I have a 27 no dash w/smooth grips would these be cokes? I have a model 19 no dash & can see the difference in the checkering compared to my 66-3. Sadly my other 27 a dash -2 has checkering so comparing the two 27s unlike the 19/66 will not tell me anything???? I mean beside they are both beautiful revolvers
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For a period of time they were common on the Model 29. I don't know that you could say they were "standard" on anything, but others may be able to address that.
There were never any K frame size "Coke" stocks, so the question is irrelevant to the Models 19 and 66.
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It appears that the "coke" definition of a pair of grips has everything to with the height and width of the surface checkered and little to do with the coke profile of the grips or the contour of the bottom of the grips. The checkering seems to resemble what I'm seeing on all my pre-war grips relative to fineness and area involved. Also, I didn't know there were never any K Frame cokes. That's good information!
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DocB - here's a good comparison that shows both styles.
The Cokes with the larger checkered field is on the RIGHT
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It appears that the "coke" definition of a pair of grips has everything to with the height and width of the surface checkered and little to do with the coke profile of the grips or the contour of the bottom of the grips. The checkering seems to resemble what I'm seeing on all my pre-war grips relative to fineness and area involved. Also, I didn't know there were never any K Frame cokes. That's good information!
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Sounds right Doc. In the last few years i have got to handle more and more sets of these grips. Once you see them in person its pretty obvious that the checkering pattern is different. But to say they have a swell in the hand is being very generous to some of the sets i handled. I believe i heard the earlier sets might have more swell but this is only hearsay on my part.
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Yes. the "swell" gave them their name, but the most reliable identifier is the size of the checkered portion. The "roundness" of the butt profile is also helpful, as seen in Post #3.
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If they are Diamond Targets they are non relieved a worth a bit on their own.
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Definitely not cokes.
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Yes, not Cokes.
But - Do you really live in Tincup?
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Yep! Or, actually two miles from Tincup. Been here all summer and so far this winter. No plans to be elsewhere.
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Just look at Post #9 in this thread!
And never mind that rascal K Frame Keith in Post #21!
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PLEASE READ THIS ONE
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I got to thinking about this and decided I need to make something very clear.
I do find the "feet thing" puzzling because I see it so much. BUT, I mentioned it in this thread just to create some humorous interaction (and it seems to have worked). It doesn't "bother" me. I have no great "dislike" for it. I very much hope the comments didn't make anyone uncomfortable or angry. I was just joking around.
Thanks for understanding.
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Keep in mind that in the late 1970s S&W changed the stock-shaping process from human hands-on to robotics. There were inevitable product changes that resulted.
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Branching off here if they didn't make cokes for "K" frames why is the checkering on my 19 much larger then on my 66? The 19 is cira 1958 ish the 66 from 1988 I think so is it just craftmanship?
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Another possibility that we've seen is
An original N frame set modified to fit.
The smooth targets you mentioned.
Can you post a picture ?
I'd just like to see them for one.
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I took the 28-2 and removed the "not coke" grips. . .working on refinishing them now. The were much too early for the gun since they are "small" football relieved. Likely late 1950's. I had a pair of period correct targets laying around. On they went. The box was laying around too just waiting for a better gun. This one is 99% unfired, so the box was a good place for it. With $560 in the gun and no early N frame for the diamond grips, I may cut them loose. Depends upon how soon I find an early gun to put them on. I couldn't get my feet to fit in this photo. . .I tried.
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Good lookin 28 Doc! I'd say you scored for 560 there!
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Regarding feet in photos: a website dealing with the FN-FAL and it's variants, upon which I spend too much time, has several criteria for proper photos of rifles. Generally, the feet must be seen, there must be a magazine in the rifle and the photo should include the poster's favorite beverage.
Extra points given if the rifle is resting on rocks, concrete or other scratchy material.
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Regarding feet in photos: a website dealing with the FN-FAL and it's variants, upon which I spend too much time, has several criteria for proper photos of rifles. Generally, the feet must be seen, there must be a magazine in the rifle and the photo should include the poster's favorite beverage.
Extra points given if the rifle is resting on rocks, concrete or other scratchy material.
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THAT is FUNNY!
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Regarding feet in photos: a website dealing with the FN-FAL and it's variants, upon which I spend too much time, has several criteria for proper photos of rifles. Generally, the feet must be seen, there must be a magazine in the rifle and the photo should include the poster's favorite beverage.
Extra points given if the rifle is resting on rocks, concrete or other scratchy material.
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Crud, I guess I missed out on most all of the pertinent points, no feet, no beverage, no magazines and no actual FN's, do fake rocks and an African spear count?
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Crud, I guess I missed out on most all of the pertinent points, no feet, no beverage, no magazines and no actual FN's, do fake rocks and an African spear count?
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Stick a hotdog on the end of the spear and you'd get bonus points. DSA
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