Yet another M627-PC UDR/Blood Work question

WC145 · #1 10-02-2010, 04:03 PM

I know that the original is a grail gun for a lot of us but I'm curious about how the new version has affected that status, especially considering that there will only ever be 302 originals and now this new gun is readily available and less expensive.

So I'm looking for opinions - Do you guys think that the introduction of the new "second generation" M627-3 has diminished or increased the value and desirability of the original M627-PC UDR/Blood Work guns and why?

Cocked & Locked · #2 10-02-2010, 04:37 PM

I think the only thing that has decreased the value of my 1st generation Blood Work gun is that I shoot and carry it often...and don't keep it too clean.

I don't see how the later versions of any model S&W's with the IL decreases the value of the older models. Maybe it does, but not for me.

Nightowl · #3 10-02-2010, 08:26 PM

I bought mine with the intention of carrying and shooting it. I have, but not much. I would think that it has decreased the value somewhat, but I'm sure the economic situation has also had an affect. I have not seen the new ones in person, but I would be tempted to buy one and deactivate the lock, and carry it instead of the original.

cobra44 · #4 10-04-2010, 12:35 AM

The original ones will always be the original.
I think that the new ones will drive down the value of the original ones somewhat.
I have a NIB original, that I just cannot bring myself to shoot. Actually I had given up on finding an original one, and bought the newer version. A few months later I came across the NIB original.
I have shot the newer one, and carry it often. I like it.

WC145 · #5 10-04-2010, 06:56 AM

Thanks for your thoughts guys. I've got my eye out for an original but haven't seen any for sale in a while. Everyone that's bought the 2.0 version seems very happy with them so it made me wonder about the effect on the market.

Roboto · #6 10-04-2010, 02:45 PM

Are all the Bloodwork revolvers as special the 627 PC? I have the opportunity to purchase a NIB original 629 PC and just was wondering if I should jump on it. The only thing I don't like about is that it's chambered for .44MAG.

Evil One · #7 10-04-2010, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Roboto

Are all the Bloodwork revolvers as special the 627 PC? I have the opportunity to purchase a NIB original 629 PC and just was wondering if I should jump on it. The only thing I don't like about is that it's chambered for .44MAG.

For me the .44 Mag chambering would be the selling point.
I find a .44 snubby to be the perfect carry gun for me.

Jim

Cocked & Locked · #8 10-04-2010, 04:15 PM

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For me the .44 Mag chambering would be the selling point.
I find a .44 snubby to be the perfect carry gun for me.

Jim

off topic but I couldn't resist the temptation to post a pic

WC145 · #9 10-04-2010, 08:22 PM

Show off!

cobra44 · #10 10-05-2010, 12:38 PM

The 627 PC (ultimate defense revolver) will always bring more than the 629 PC. I have noticed some really good buys on the 629 PC models.
They both are excellent revolvers, and I would not let the 44 caliber stand in your way.

Anton Chigurh · #11 10-06-2010, 05:21 PM

The original should hold value, they are unique in that there is no lock, and no engraved "performanc center" logo on the right side of the barrel. Also, C&L, is the backstrap grooved, or am I seeing things?
I guess a .44 is OK if you can manage it, but the real charm of the Blood Work gun is the 8 shots of .357 Magnum.

Cocked & Locked · #12 10-07-2010, 06:18 AM

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C&L, is the backstrap grooved, or am I seeing things?

Your eyesight is very good...10 grooves on the back strap.

Anton Chigurh · #13 10-07-2010, 04:42 PM

10 grooves on the back strap! THAT alone makes them two notches above the current edition. And no lock..............
(Not that the lock keeps me from buying, just would rather not have it, and soon I won't.......keeping the gun, not the lock)

Stainz · #14 10-07-2010, 05:18 PM

The Eagle boots that were made to fit that transitional N-frame round butt just don't fit the current N-frame gripframes, which have a larger radii behind the trigger guard. Modern grips will fit that older gripframe, but not the other way. So - S&W still supplies either old stock grips - or new grips made to the old specs - but that 4/10 purchased PC627 UDR had gaps at the front top of the boot grips - and so did the replacements it took them a month to return to me. Additionally, they sent me a grip screw that was 1/4" too long! Skip ahead... I love the PC627 UDR - it's a bargain - MSRP today: $1,185 - 1999 MSRP: $1,199! It comes with a plastic grey PC gun case in lieu of the Al/plastic PC case and the IL - and it's cheaper. Go figure.

Oh - today found me at the pusher's... and I was going to buy a 327NG for a 'house gun' extraordinaire - they aren't moonclip ready - and weigh exactly 10 oz less than the PC627 UDR. I bought another PC627 UDR instead. And, new, with s/t, it was <$15 more than the 327NG! I did quite well, too - great trigger - shadow rings on four of the eight cylinder exits. Never looked at the grips in the store - same gaps!! ****!! Call to S&W - a pickup label is 'on the way' - as are some moonclips (May have been requisitioned at the Pusher's...).

My gripe... a $1,200 revolver - from the Performance Center - shouldn't make it out the door with such ill-fitted grips! I am now 0 for 2 in their PC627 UDR's. The dealer laughed - they said none they've received fit - not even the PC629 UDR's! The PC627 UDR's are terrific revolvers, however, and - for the use this one will see, like it's sibling, it will get larger grips. And, I don't care how many FEDEX labels/trips their grips take, they will get me some OEM grips that fit... just 'because'.

Stainz

WC145 · #15 10-07-2010, 09:06 PM

Interesting that the second generation UDR's are lacking in so many areas. It seems S&W is eager to cash in on the name and interest in the original but aren't willing to produce a gun with the same attention to detail.

Stainz · #16 10-08-2010, 04:11 PM

'lacking in so many areas'???

Seriously - my beef was on the Eagle-made boot grip - made to fit the early gripframes - not a S&W made item. The revolvers were perfect - possessed great triggers upon arrival. I hated my first PC revolver's cheesy metal case - all zero's opened every combination lock, too. The IL is unsightly - but a fact of life. I'm a realist - in nine plus years of making IL-equipped revolvers, they haven't lost a dime on a lawsuit over it or it's 'failure'. I like new S&W's - and buy what I can afford. Feel free to buy old S&W's - but don't berate something you likely haven't seen or touched.

I wanted a PC627 UDR for ten years - wouldn't buy one when they first came out - folks kept close to that original $1,199 MSRP. The current ones $1,185 MSRP is frequently discounted. Even from my local Ma/Pa pusher, I 'only' paid $949 for the early one and $889 for yesterday's. The last original one I saw was at a show - several years back - and, obviously quite used (holster wear), it was more than the sum of what my new pair cost. I'd rather have my pair. Of course, I'm an acquirer/user - not a collector. The current version is a fine revolver... and those Eagle boots are too small for my mitts, anyway!

Stainz

WC145 · #17 10-08-2010, 04:27 PM

Okay.
Guess I misunderstood your post, it sounded like you were complaining about the newer gun compared to the original. I'm not berating anything, I was commenting on what you were saying (how it sounded to me anyway).

And you're right, I haven't seen or touched either the new or the old versions, that's why I'm asking what people think and why.

As far as old vs new S&W's, I prefer the look of the prelock guns but I don't let the lock stand in the way if I like one of the newer models. I love my 586 L-Comp, which has the lock, and you've probably seen the 360J I used for my 9mm snubby project, it also has a lock. The lock is really a non-issue for me except when talking about asthetics, the collectibility, or the value of a prelock gun vs a postlock version of the same gun.

Stainz · #18 10-09-2010, 12:11 AM

My S&W's of choice border on the weird. Some years ago I sold a LNIB safe queen 6.5" 24-3 and a similar, but new, Heritage 24... and replaced them with a 6" 629-6 (Current production!) - for .44 Specials. I later replaced my 629MG with a new production 4" 629-6 - and my 696 now languishes! I like 'users' - and the current PC627 UDR is a 'user' of the first order.

I am sorry if I came off a bit harsh - I didn't want ruffled feathers anywhere - just to state that the current version of the UDR is a fine shooter.

Stainz

Cocked & Locked · #19 10-09-2010, 08:45 AM

The Eagle boot grips pictured on mine fit great. But the Spegels or ugly Pachmayrs feel much better than the original to these guns Eagle grips...or stocks, whatever.

Eagle

Spegel

Pachmayr (of course)

cobra44 · #20 10-09-2010, 12:59 PM

Stainz - You have two now. You must really like them as do I.
Does your newer one have the un fluted cylinder? Just curious.

On the grips that come on these, they are made in India. As stated above, they are not made by S&W. They are the same grips that were on the original revolvers, thus they do not fit exactly right. Other than that, they are fine revolvers, my favorite.

Stainz · #21 10-10-2010, 07:57 AM

It's odd that the grips fit perfectly - as do the replacements and the original new UDR's grips - three sets for three - on my '96 vintage 625-6 MG. Universally, they are too small to be comfortable, even in my medium+ hands. Ahrends grips - rounded/non-fg or retro targets/non-fg - are super. It's not exactly a pocket gun.

My previous example of a 'not-for-me' wood grip was the 686SSR's sandpaper sided wood - before that, it was the dimunitive boot-like wood grips on my new Heritage 6.5" 24 - the prettiest revolver I ever bought new/owned - and a long ago trade for something in SS. I am just not fond of little wood grips on large N-frames.

As to my second new UDR... it's differences are many... many numbers higher for it's s/n! Otherwise, it's identical - even that non-fluted cylinder. Oh - no moonclips in the box... S&W is sending me some - they blame the retailer. He, the CS guy, seemed aggravated I'd complain about the grips & 'clips. Still, a kilobuck+ PC revolver should get a gun with grips that fit properly.

Now - new opinion on the gripfit. They may flex from overtightening, leaving the front/top thinner areas proud of the surface. My different radii for old vs new gripframes may just be balderdash.

Stainz

Anton Chigurh · #22 10-10-2010, 09:13 PM

Decided to get a little sun today, in cloudless RDU.

Evil One · #23 10-10-2010, 09:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Cocked & Locked

off topic but I couldn't resist the temptation to post a pic

I love it when you get the temptation to post a pic...

Jim

northslope · #24 10-13-2010, 10:40 AM

I've wanted one of the 627 UDR's for years but I was always astounded as the sale prices of the original run, and I have certainly never seen one for sale in California. So I was excited when when S&W let the news out ... last December?...that a new run was on the way.

Didn't get around to buying one until yesterday -- it took a few months before the gun made it onto the California Roster -- but Budsgunshop had them back in stock yesterday and I pounced. Priced *well* below MSRP.

I love the design of this gun -- it (like the 8-shot 627 I also own) is a direct descendant of the original .357 Magnum and Model 27 (like the half-dozen I own). But I can't imagine the value of the original run of 300 or so will be diminished at all by the new run --- just look at the new Model 27's that S&W is making: the nickel finish is so nice it will make you cry --- but it hasn't dampened the resale prices of nickel 27-2's one bit.

Anyway - I love the Eagle boot grips but they are a little small for my taste on an N-frame; I will be installing a set of Nill combats right away.

--Neill

Cocked & Locked · #25 10-13-2010, 10:49 AM

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I've wanted one of the 627 UDR's for years...

Congratulations on your new cool gun! Now, you gonna shoot it some?

northslope · #26 10-13-2010, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Cocked & Locked

Congratulations on your new cool gun! Now, you gonna shoot it some?

Abso-frickin-lutely.

One of the things that I love about stainless guns is they really aren't (IMO) meant to be safe queens. And the 8-shot 627 is just the ultimate utilitarian revolver from my perspective -- so to buy one and not shoot it would be ..... wrong!

--Neill

Cocked & Locked · #27 10-13-2010, 11:10 AM

Now that's a good answer!

Glock1911 · #28 10-13-2010, 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by northslope

I've wanted one of the 627 UDR's for years but I was always astounded as the sale prices of the original run, and I have certainly never seen one for sale in California. So I was excited when when S&W let the news out ... last December?...that a new run was on the way.

Didn't get around to buying one until yesterday -- it took a few months before the gun made it onto the California Roster -- but Budsgunshop had them back in stock yesterday and I pounced. Priced *well* below MSRP.

I love the design of this gun -- it (like the 8-shot 627 I also own) is a direct descendant of the original .357 Magnum and Model 27 (like the half-dozen I own). But I can't imagine the value of the original run of 300 or so will be diminished at all by the new run --- just look at the new Model 27's that S&W is making: the nickel finish is so nice it will make you cry --- but it hasn't dampened the resale prices of nickel 27-2's one bit.

Anyway - I love the Eagle boot grips but they are a little small for my taste on an N-frame; I will be installing a set of Nill combats right away.

--Neill

So, that's what happened to that gun!?

I've had the 627 UDR on my Bud's wish list since September. Got an email notification from Bud's yesterday. By the time I followed their link...it was gone!

Congrats on a fine shootin' iron! Maybe I'll get the next one they get in.

northslope · #29 10-13-2010, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Glock1911

So, that's what happened to that gun!?

I've had the 627 UDR on my Bud's wish list since September. Got an email notification from Bud's yesterday. By the time I followed their link...it was gone!

Holy cow...I had assumed they got more than one in.

What's funny is I *also* had it on my wish list, and I never got an email -- I just happened to look for the the gun when I was browsing their site Monday night and was slightly surprised to see it there, and note that I hadn't gotten a notification.

--Neill

Glock1911 · #30 10-13-2010, 01:16 PM

Oh well...ya snooze, ya lose.

d.t.h. · #31 10-17-2010, 09:46 AM

I picked up a used one about a month ago from a dealer for $700. Dealer said the guy shot it once and did not like it.

WC145 · #32 10-17-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by d.t.h.

I picked up a used one about a month ago from a dealer for $700. Dealer said the guy shot it once and did not like it.

Did you get an original or a second generation? Sounds like a good deal either way.

northslope · #33 10-17-2010, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WC145

Did you get an original or a second generation? Sounds like a good deal either way.

You can say that again! That'd be a great deal on the first run...and a very nice if it was a used second.

I picked up my 629 Trail Boss the same way a few years ago - bought it used after some guy took it, shot it once, hated it, and sold it.

--Neill

northslope · #34 10-25-2010, 06:48 PM

So I stopped by my dealer today to start the transfer on my UDR (there's a 10-day wait here in CA); got to fondle my new gun and immediately noticed a couple of things:

1) The Eagle boot grips are pretty weird looking - very slim. I will definetely replace these with Nill combats.

2) There appeared to be several prominent 'scuffs' on the unfluted cylinder. Not something I want to see on a $900 Performance Center gun.

When I get the gun home in 10 days I'll take a closer look and make sure it's not gunpower residue from the test firing. If it's not that sucker is going back to the factory.

--Neill

Nightowl · #35 10-25-2010, 10:48 PM

You might want to shoot it with the Eagle grips before you make a decision. I put wood Hogues on mine because I thought the Eagles were too small. Found out I really did not like them on this gun. I found the Eagle grips handled recoil for me just fine, even though I would prefer a longer grip. Either way, they are fun shooters.