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Been awhile since I've posted . I just picked up a 686+ "Deluxe" this week. I really like the revolver, but I hate these grips. I consider them proof that there are aliens among us, since they don't seem designed for human hands . They drew blood from my thumb today, where they had put a blister a few days ago. Anyway, I've ordered some Hogue Bantams which I hope will fix that problem.
So far accuracy has been good with a variety of .357 and 38 special loads. Double action pull measures 10 lbs 11 Oz, single action just under 4 lbs.
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Congrats on the new 686. The Hogue Bantam is an excellent grip. I have them on my 3",4" and 5".
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I wonder why they don't work? They sure are pretty grips.
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Nice revolver! hope you find some comfortable grips. I tried a pretty pair of Hogue Batam wood grips that cut into my thumb then a pair of rubber Batams too small .Sold both and put he OE rubber grips back on, just right!
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Other than the grips, what else makes this “deluxe”?
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I wonder why they don't work? They sure are pretty grips.
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I can't get my hand as high as I'd like, for one thing. Also that part that sticks up to hump is too thick and too squared off. That is the part that chewed a hole in my thumb.
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Other than the grips, what else makes this “deluxe”?
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I think that is the only difference.
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I own this same revolver but have changed sights and grips over the years. What I found worked best for me was old school magna's with a Tyler-T grip adapter. It's the one pictured on my avatar.
Also I believe when they were first released these were a TALO edition revolver. They were suppose to be a limited edition but then became standard production. It was the only 686+ in a 3" offering that was part of two other Deluxe models in 5" and 7", as the factory offerings were in 2.5", 4" and 6". Now the only thing making it deluxe is the grip.
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Also I believe when they were first released these were a TALO edition revolver. They were suppose to be a limited edition but then became standard production. It was the only 686+ in a 3" offering that was part of two other Deluxe models in 5" and 7", as the factory offerings were in 2.5", 4" and 6". Now the only thing making it deluxe is the grip.
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The original 686+ 3", 5" & 7" barrel .357s that were distributed by TALO, as the 3-5-7 Series, all had unfluted cylinders & were first introduced in 2010. I got my 5" in the Spring of 2012.
Once S&W dropped their association with TALO, S&W keep the revolvers, & the 3-5-7 series, in the line-up as they are still today, only removing the reference to TALO.
They also had wood grips (black/silver) that looked better than they felt too, which everyone changed out right away. I always thought they reminded me of a dark watermelon seed.
As far as I know, the Deluxe Series came later. The two currently offered 686 Deluxe models are 3" & 6" barrels with fluted cylinders.
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If you want to sell the grips, PM me
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These work well for me, but we are all different. Round butt Herrett on my 66-2. Bob
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These work well for me, but we are all different. Round butt Herrett on my 66-2. Bob
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I like the looks of those, Bananaman. I'm not really a fan of finger grooves.
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Just a quick follow up to say that the Hogue Bantam grips work very well. They fit my hands and it's now enjoyable to shoot magnum loads through this revolver.
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Try the Ahrends tacticals. Great fit and finish. Several kinds of wood offered over the years.
BTW, I thought those fancy deluxe grips on the 686-6 Plus were really cool until I bought the gun and tried shooting it with those grips. The finger grooves don't match my medium to large hands at all. I imagine they would fit somebody with big hands and thick fingers, but certainly they are not for more average hands. The original grips are in the box.
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Did you get the rubber ones or one of the woods? I have the Bantams in wood on my 3" 629 and the rubber ones on my L frame 69. I'll be putting the wood on the 69 too eventually. I like the Bantams grips.
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Those "Deluxe" grips are the same ones (different size) used on the 3" 629 Deluxe. Altamont makes some cool looking grips but they'll carve your hands like a Thanksgiving turkey.
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Did you get the rubber ones or one of the woods? I have the Bantams in wood on my 3" 629 and the rubber ones on my L frame 69. I'll be putting the wood on the 69 too eventually. I like the Bantams grips.
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I got the rubber ones. Best $20 I ever spent
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Yeah, the rubber ones feel good and are priced right but I don't like the way they go on and off. You might find yourself not inspecting underneath them often enough.
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I only have anecdotal evidence but supposedly Talo refuses any from SW that have the typical mass production issues i.e. No canted barrels, etc
My Talo 686+ is the finest I've ever owned or shot.
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I liked the looks of the Altamont grips, but not the feel so I ground them down to fit better. Seems I've posted this pic a lot lately.
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That is a handsome revolver. I am sorry the grips don't work for you. Getting all these things sorted out is part of the fun for me.
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I recently got the TALO version with the non-fluted cylinder. I replaced the wood grips with the Hogue Bantam, which works well for me shooting magnum loads. I wish Hogue would leave off the last finger protrusion. I only really want the upper finger groove. Anyhow, I think you will be happy with the Bantam grip.
I swapped the main and rebound springs for Wolff replacements. DA pull is 8 pounds and SA pull is 3 pounds. Perfect!
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You could replace your grips by a Karl Nill, because they are very good to shoot full loaded ;357 magnum.
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I only have anecdotal evidence but supposedly Talo refuses any from SW that have the typical mass production issues i.e. No canted barrels, etc
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I wouldn't count on it. My Talo arrived with poorly cut extractor ratchet that cause jerky trigger action. It had to go back to the factory. So I don't think you can count on Talo to weed out all the quality issues.
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I wouldn't count on it. My Talo arrived with poorly cut extractor ratchet that cause jerky trigger action. It had to go back to the factory. So I don't think you can count on Talo to weed out all the quality issues.
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If TALO's claim to fame included inspecting the guns, you'd think they'd put it in their marketing materials. Can you imagine: "Buy a S&W revolver that's actually been inspected!"
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I use Hogue bantams on my 6XX's sans my 642 which is fine for me. I like the round butt aspects of the 6XX's but I'm not sure how familiar you are with that. They will have more of a roll-up to them much like using a SA. I use S/A's a lot and I like the rolling features of them. If you do decide to switch to the bantams, just let it roll-up and don't try to fight it.
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Ahrends. Type of stock that should come standard. Best for carry. Hogue Bantams are great but can be sticky concealed.
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No canted barrels, etc
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My 5" TALO 686+ is an awesome shooter & as good or better than either my 627PC or PC 327TRR8, NOW.
Unfortunately, it had/has a canted barrel that somehow didn't look as bad when I inspected it before purchasing.
After re-chamfering the forcing cone & chamfering the crown it groups great.
No way I'm sending it back to the factory for the cant. I just leave the windage cranked over & don't touch it.
I can live with that, but I shouldn't of had too.
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I hate to chime in on this but.......
When the 3-5-7 series was finally offered in my state, I went out and collected them when they went on sale.
All of them had lop sided cut force cones. The worst was the 3". All my shots would bunch up in a corner at a measly 7 yards. With groups way off at the 15 yards. I quickly sent it in and was returned with the b/c gap more evenly cut with a note; saying it was corrected with a barrel cant issue!
How did I miss that one! Lol.
The 5" I have, is as yet, still unfired.
My absolute favourite is the 7".(out of that bunch) It will shoot within the 9 ring at 25 yards. (Standing) Without trying too hard. Probably in a 10 ring on a rest, but I dont shoot from a rest.
Pic .of 686+ 7" (3-5-7 series). The load it "liked" was the .53 disk w231/ 158gr plated (Rainier)357 magnum with WSPM primers...
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I wouldn't count on it. My Talo arrived with poorly cut extractor ratchet that cause jerky trigger action. It had to go back to the factory. So I don't think you can count on Talo to weed out all the quality issues.
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UPDATE: I just visited the TALO website and looked at their S&W collection. They clearly stated that any example of my revolver (357 Series 686) produced within the last 3 years is not an authorized TALO exclusive product. Since Grabagun is currently advertising them as TALO exclusives, they are engaging in false advertising. This also means that TALO had nothing to do with my revolver and is therefore unable to guarantee its quality.
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Howdy,
They drew blood from my thumb today, where they had put a blister a few days ago. Anyway, I've ordered some Hogue Bantams which I hope will fix that problem.
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What I have found is that a high hold with a 357 drives the recoil into the thumb and web of your hand. The same hold, with bantam grips, will give the same result.
Use a lower hold, so the recoil will be driven into the palm of your hand.
If you really want to use a high hold, get either the Hogue Tamer grip or the Pachmayr gripper, decelerator, or presentation grip. These grips all have rubber completely covering the backstrap and they work.
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Thanks for the tip, Andy. The Bantams are working fine though. The top corner of the factory grips that came with mine are pretty square instead of rounded, like Magnas would be. It's not exactly sharp, but sharp enough to raise a blister and then break it after a box or less of magnums.
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I recently bought another set for my 686-6, 5" Pro Series, but have not put them on yet. Bob
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