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Forcing cone erosion.
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I just purchased my first revolver a smith and wesson 686-1. I bought it off gun broker from a dealer with a very good history. Only problem is they said excellent condition and when I receive it yesterday it was a little dinged up and very dirty from the last time it had been shot. After a cleaning session the barrel doesn't look too bad and the action seems pretty smooth but I can see rust on the forcing cone. What should I do about this if I can do anything?
Sorry if I did this wrong this is my first time posting here
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10-17-2013, 05:44 PM
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Welcome to the forum!
I'm not seeing any erosion or rust for that matter. It looks like some baked on gun oil or grease from the heat of firing, and the usual flame cut in the top strap that starts with the first shot, goes just so deep, then never any farther... which is normal also. The forcing cone is fine. It just has some small tool marks from the reamer that cut it.... also normal.
Take a brass brush (the kind that are made for cleaning guns and look like a toothbrush) aand scrub the barrel shank and surrounding area gently. It'll clean right up.
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10-17-2013, 06:01 PM
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Awesome. Thank you so much for the advise gun 4 fun! As I said I am new to revolvers and when I saw this I just got worried. Glad to know it is normal and able to be cleaned up!
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10-17-2013, 06:05 PM
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Take a Q-Tip saoked with Hoppe's #9 or something similar and rub it in and all around the area and let it soak for a while before you start.... maybe even overnight. I see powder fouling caked in around the barrel shank and above it in between the shank and the top strap. I use a dental pick for that stuff and go very slowly and carefully picking it out. I sharp pointed plastic stick that is stiff works well too, and is better for the less patient to use since it won't scratch the metal.
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10-17-2013, 06:23 PM
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Thank you so much I will get to work on it tonight. You have been so very helpful your kindness does not go unappreciated!
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10-17-2013, 06:50 PM
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Always glad to help.
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10-17-2013, 06:55 PM
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Yeah, just needs some tlc. How about some pics of the whole gun.
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10-17-2013, 06:58 PM
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I just have to say that is quite a good shot of the forcing cone! Good camera and steady hand.
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10-17-2013, 07:08 PM
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If your going to shoot it, don't even worry about it. It will get dirtier than that.
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10-17-2013, 09:51 PM
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Haha thanks it wasn't easy and believe it or no I used my IPhone! Also yes it will be a shooter but I also am kind of anal and try to keep all my firearms as clean as possible
Here is a full pic of her. I must say I have fallen in love she may be my first revolver but most definitely will not be my last!
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You couldn't have done better for a 1st revolver...and no, it won't be your last. My 1st was a 4" 66-1 and we won't talk about how many I have now...but they are all L's and K's dated from 1974 to no newer than 1996!
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10-17-2013, 11:53 PM
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Thank you very much I did a lot of research and landed on the 686. I knew I wanted a 4" Barrel and one without the IL or MIM parts. Couple hundred dollars later I am one happy guy I hope to one day build a nice collection like Im assuming you have from that comment haha!
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10-18-2013, 03:41 PM
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Looks fine. Clean it, shoot it, love it and never let it go.
I have a 686 no-dash 33 years old. Told the wife the other day that if it came to my 686 or her that she would have to go.
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Great first revolver... I still have my 686 no dash I purchased when they first came out, it has been my "camping/backpacking" gun for decades.
I can understand your zeal now to clean it up, but the front of the cylinder and rear of the barrel eventually becomes a moot point after awhile in getting all of the "burn marks" removed after shooting it.
Kind of like waxing that new car every weekend after you first buy it, that becomes every other weekend.. and then month... LOL!
But... I ALSO have to plead guilty about being "anal" with used stainless guns right after I bought them. The regiment I ended up with is completely disassembling them, marinating it over night in... ta-da... Simple Green, and then going at it with a variety of cleaning brushes (Wal-Mart has a 3 wire brush assortment in the gun cleaning supply section), and 3M "Scotchbrite" pads - White (1200-1500 grit sandpaper equivalent) for the exterior, Maroon (360-400 grit) or Brown (280-320) for the areas you're looking at.
If you do a thread search on "Stainless scotchbrite" you'll find countless info on the topic.
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10-19-2013, 03:41 PM
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Haha that's hilarious SgtmagMJV!!! And ya I know exactly what ya mean Gunhacker my new guns I seem obsessive over keeping them clean. Then slowly but surely I get to the point where I of course still keep it clean but not like my life depends on it haha!!
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i just got a new 686 plus and it came with the weird dark sections on the inside of the forcing cone as shown in the pics below. Is this some kind of damage or does it just need to be cleaned?
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07-30-2014, 10:03 PM
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i just got a new 686 plus and it came with the weird dark sections on the inside of the forcing cone as shown in the pics below. Is this some kind of damage or does it just need to be cleaned?
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does look a little ruff, tool marks etc....
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07-30-2014, 10:19 PM
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Is this some kind of damage or does it just need to be cleaned?-NK
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Neither. Ignore it. Enjoy your revolver.
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but I can see rust on the forcing cone. What should I do about this if I can do anything?
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I do not believe that is rust.
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i just got a new 686 plus and it came with the weird dark sections on the inside of the forcing cone as shown in the pics below. Is this some kind of damage or does it just need to be cleaned?
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Looks like it has some minor lead deposits & tool marks in the forcing cone (that should have been removed) when it was made. Those tool marks may contribute to it's leading. Try both lead & jacketed to see how accuracy is.
Is this brand new? I don't think a new gun would have lead deposits in it.
Saw your other post. Looks like each end of the barrel is of interest.
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Quote:
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i just got a new 686 plus and it came with the weird dark sections on the inside of the forcing cone as shown in the pics below. Is this some kind of damage or does it just need to be cleaned?
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You have two things going on here.
1) Leading just north of the forcing, not too bad.
2) The roughest forcing cone cut I've ever seen. If it shoots fine leave it. If there are accuracy issues, Brownells sells a hand tool to re-cut a forcing cone.
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Fresh Bird and 686forlife, if nobody has said this yet, welcome to the best gun forum I've found, from an old guy in Louisville.
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...Brownells sells a hand tool to re-cut a forcing cone.
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I bought their Revolver Chamfering Tool Kit (not particularly cheap but get the whole kit if in doubt what you need/want) a few weeks ago to smooth my 686-6's out (& work on a few others). It seemed to help with the leading some but I don't think this gun likes cast lead bullets that much. (The Rim Rock 155gr DEWC-SCG are problem childs in it, for some reason.) My FC wasn't as bad as his though.
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