are moon clips necessary

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I was thinking of buying either a 640 centennial
or a 640 pro.
the 640 pro comes with moon clips. I am not familiar with moon clips. can the 640 pro be shot by just loading the rounds into the chamber without using the moon clips?
thanks.
 
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I don't own a revolver (yet) but I read a lot and my understanding is that moon clips, either half or full, are not required for a revolver to function but rather facilitate rapid unloading of spent cases and loading of live rounds since a number of rounds are linked together by the moon clip.
Keeping in mind that not all revolvers have the necessary relief cuts in the cylinder required for the moon clips to be used.
Also I have seen a tool that helps load and unload the moon clips.
For quick reloads another option is a speedloader that holds the rounds and after they are placed they are released from the speedloader.
There may or may not be a speedloader available for a given make and model.
The moon clips may also help keep your spent brass together, might be helpful especially if you reload.
 
I don't own a revolver (yet) but I read a lot and my understanding is that moon clips, either half or full, are not required for a revolver to function but rather facilitate rapid unloading of spent cases and loading of live rounds since a number of rounds are linked together by the moon clip.
Keeping in mind that not all revolvers have the necessary relief cuts in the cylinder required for the moon clips to be used.
Also I have seen a tool that helps load and unload the moon clips.
For quick reloads another option is a speedloader that holds the rounds and after they are placed they are released from the speedloader.
There may or may not be a speedloader available for a given make and model.
The moon clips may also help keep your spent brass together, might be helpful especially if you reload.

Exactly, unless you're firing a revolver in a rimless caliber. Then, they're essential.

Edit: As an aside, you have 1,000 posts in the premier Smith and Wesson discussion forum and you don't own a revolver? Inquiring minds . . .
 
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I just some more RIMZ moon clips for my 625JM. These are polymer and do not require tools. Have S&W metal clips too. Really need a de-mooning tool for metal ones. Don't mind clips at all though. Bob
 
I just some more RIMZ moon clips for my 625JM. These are polymer and do not require tools. Have S&W metal clips too. Really need a de-mooning tool for metal ones. Don't mind clips at all though. Bob

Where did you find the polymer clips? I have an R8 .357 and love the clips but de-mooning is a pain.
 
CLIPS ARE A NEEDLESS HASSLE, UNLESS YOU ARE CARRYING FOR PROTECTION, OR PARTICIPATING IN AN EVENT THAT REQUIRES RAPID RELOADS. IF YOU MUST USE CLIPS, I RECOMMEND RIMZ--POLYMER, EZ LOAD / UNLOAD W/O TOOLS, AND FINGER FRIENDLY……...
 
I owned an S&W .45 ACP double-action revolver many years ago that required moon clips due to the rimless cartridges. The metal moon clips bent when carried and slowed down reloads. I sold the revolver because I didn't like moon clips. I carry two speed loaders with all of my double-action revolvers.
 
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Where did you find the polymer clips? I have an R8 .357 and love the clips but de-mooning is a pain.

I got mine on ebay. Just Google RIMZ, and you will be there. Not sure if they make them for your gun, but give it a try! Bob
 
Moon clips

Load 45 Rim cases. I use 45 acp brass( easier to find. I use the Rimz and metal moons. I do shoot without moons but i find accuratcy is not as good. Maybe more in my head?
 

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I was thinking of buying either a 640 centennial or a 640 pro. The 640 pro comes with moon clips. I am not familiar with moon clips.

Can the 640 pro be shot by just loading the rounds into the chamber without using the moon clips?
thanks
.

In response to the OP's question, which is specifically about a 640 Pro J-frame chambered in 357 Mag, the short answer is "YES"...

You can load a 640 Pro via single rounds, a speed strip, a standard speed loader, or the included 5-shot moon clips. You pick your favorite option(s).

Below is my 640 Pro posing with both a speed strip and a moon clip. It is loaded with a moon clip which is how I have elected to carry it...

Edmo

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Invariably, any thread dealing with moon clips experiences quite a bit of thread drift. To the OP, since you are dealing with rimmed revolver rounds, and the revolver in question is machined for moon clips, you can load it singly, with a speedloader or via moon clips - the best of all worlds.

Revolvers that are chambered for rimless or semi-rimmed, are not so lucky. For those guns, moon clips are essential, as Muss Muggins so succinctly puts it. There are those that say clips are not needed and they use their 25 / 625 / 646 / 627-4 / etc, etc all the time without clips. Let me disabuse you of that thought. Without moon clips they will headspace on the mouth of the cartridge via the shoulder in the chamber. That shoulder is cut at the SAAMI specified maximum case length dimension. Virtually all factory handgun ammo has a case lengths shorter than the maximum dimension and thus, without moon clips, will be driven forward in the chamber by the hammer blow. Some will fire, some will not. I'm not going to compete with a "maybe" and certainly wouldn't bet my life on it. Revolvers that shoot rimless (or semi-rimmed) pistol cartridges are made to be used with clips or the rimmed variation of the pistol round for which they are chambered. So, Shooter6br, it is not in your head. You are essentially firing rounds with various amounts of freebore, which will affect accuracy.

As for Rimz, I would say that these are for the very casual shooter. I much prefer going to the range with a multitude of already loaded moon clips, rather than hassle with changing out empties and loaded ammo at the range - tools or no. With metal clips at $.45 or less (.45 ACP) this is a financial reality - much moreso than with Rimz clips. After spending what you did on your revolver, another $60 for the proper tools (that will last as long as you have your revolver - probably outlive you) isn't asking too much to enhance your shooting enjoyment. I do all my clip loading/unloading in the comfort of an easy chair in front of the TV - if you are going to be mindless, you may as well be productive. LimaCharlie - I have five .45 ACP revolvers and have shot literally thousands of rounds, and have never bent a moon clip, unless I inadvertently stepped on it in the heat of competition. Half-moons, which is maybe what you were using, may be another story - they are a PITA.

@emichael - sorry, but they do not make Rimz for the 8-shot revolvers. I would imagine that the space between chambers doesn't lend itself to a thick polymer clip. That's the bad news. The good news is that you can greatly ease your clip loading and unloading chores by the acquisition of the correct tool. Not cheap, but the most often heard comment from shooters, after obtaining one is, "Worth every penny." I am speaking of the BMT tool. You can find them here - watch the video...

BMT Equipped, Inc.

Not that much more than other tools, and none of them are as slick as this tool. If you compete with your R8, you want to find the clips that hold your ammo the most rigidly to facilitate loading into the cylinder. Makers of 8-shot clips usually make them in several thicknesses to accommodate different brands of brass. You may also want to try shorter rounds (.38 Short Colt or Long Colt) with heavy round-nose bullets to speed loading - but I digress.

I think moon clips are great. With the right tools, you will too.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
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Yes, you can shoot it without moonclips. And, I predict you will most of the time because those 5 shot J frame moonclips cost $8 A PIECE if you can find them. (Well, technically, $8.36 a piece from S&W. But don't worry, they do not, and have never, stocked them.) So if you're like me, you'll never have more than the 3 it comes with. Though, I've heard that TKS (IIRC), the company that makes them for S&W, also sells them for that price.
 
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I can't remember the make and model, but it seems that a service issued revolver required moon clips that were supplied 3 shots each (half-moon clips?)

Colt and Smith & Wesson models of 1917. Half moon clips. Hold rounds from the outside diameter of the cylinder.

Adios,

Pizza Bob
 
I was thinking of buying either a 640 centennial
or a 640 pro.
the 640 pro comes with moon clips. I am not familiar with moon clips. can the 640 pro be shot by just loading the rounds into the chamber without using the moon clips?
thanks.

Yes. The 640 Pro will function fine without the clips.

I had a 325PD for a while (.45 Auto) and it would not reliably fire without the clips. However, .45 Auto is a rimless case--meaning it has to headspace on the casemouth.
 
In S&W land I have a 625 and 325PD. The cylinders are bored so you don't HAVE to use moon clips, but then you are either going to have to dig the fired cases out with your finger nails or poke them out with a stick. I like metal 6 rounders. I have no problem loading them but did buy a demooner to get the empties out of the clip. My 325PD below.

 
Exactly, unless you're firing a revolver in a rimless caliber. Then, they're essential.

Edit: As an aside, you have 1,000 posts in the premier Smith and Wesson discussion forum and you don't own a revolver? Inquiring minds . . .

Only been a gun owner for about 2 years now and revolver is next on my wish list.



I was going to write something about rim vs rimless but couldn't recall the details.
 
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