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Doc Holliday 1950 · Dec 20, 2017

As a new owner of S&W 686 plus 357 in magnum, my question is what is the normal trigger LBS. that is acceptable?? Also, are there any speed loaders for my 7 shot revolver????
All answers & responses are welcome & wanted.

ContinentalOp · Dec 20, 2017

Someone correct me if I'm wrong...

I believe the specs for the DA pull is 8-12lbs. I don't know what they are for SA.

I believe Five Star makes a speedloader for the 7-rounders. They're aluminum-bodied and are similar to HKS speedloaders, but with the opposite twist direction (they can be ordered with the same twist direction as HKS, IIRC).

Also, Tuff Products make speed strips for 7-shot .38/.357 revolvers, if that interests you.

UncleEd · Dec 20, 2017

12 pound trigger normally.

HKS 587 speed loader (not
to be confused with 586)

TravisPNW · Dec 20, 2017

Doc Holliday 1950 said:
Also, are there any speed loaders for my 7 shot revolver????
All answers & responses are welcome & wanted.

I'm a new 686 Plus owner myself... and am looking at speed loaders.

Maybe it's just me but something just doesn't seem right with the ones that are $11.99... the reviews seem to match the price.

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3sfIsnxhS4[/ame]

I haven't made a purchase yet, but this is one I am considering. $35.99 for the speed loader and $69.95 for the loading block with good reviews on Amazon.

JBTJ · Dec 20, 2017

I use the HKS brand for my 686+ 2.5" barrel and have no problems.

Protocall_Design · Dec 20, 2017

Factory DA is usually 12 - 14 LB. pull. Acceptable for range and competition is 6 - 8 LB. Most of mine are 6 LB., 2 of them are 5 LB.
Speed Beez is a quality product.

UncleEd · Dec 20, 2017

HKS has been a standard in speed loaders

Don't judge it by how cheap it is. Now that
Ruger is producing 3 7-round models I think
you'll see that speed loader being offered soon
on their Shop site as is the 6-round HKS.
It's the 587 model, to be distinguished from
the 586. Midway has been selling the 587 for
some time.

bigwheelzip · Dec 20, 2017

Like new Harley owners replacing mufflers, new 686 owners often replace stock grips. If you use speedloaders, some aftermarket grips don't leave enough room for them to align with the cylinder charge holes.

sdb321 · Dec 20, 2017

When I bought my 686 SSR it was 13 pound from the factory. I had a gun smith perform a deluxe action job. When I got it back it was 9 pounds 13 oz. and smooth as glass. I do not use speed loaders, I like taking my time. One round at a time. Have fun & be safe!!!!!!!!!!

rwsmith · Dec 20, 2017

This is double action.....

UncleEd said:
12 pound trigger normally.

HKS 587 speed loader (not
to be confused with 586)

That is double action....right?

I think mine breaks in SA at around 7 lbs.

In addition to trigger pull, it should be silky smooth and ALMOST break like glass in SA.

If it doesn't, don't fret, it's very susceptible to a little work smoothing the action and improving the trigger.

rwsmith · Dec 20, 2017

A little filing....

bigwheelzip said:
Like new Harley owners replacing mufflers, new 686 owners often replace stock grips. If you use speedloaders, some aftermarket grips don't leave enough room for them to align with the cylinder charge holes.

A little filing may be necessary.

UncleEd · Dec 20, 2017

Preferences in double action pull can vary quite
a bit. I shoot DA revolvers almost exclusively
DA and I'm used to the factory Smith or Ruger
12-pound actions. They are smooth but some
may think them too heavy.

The 12-pound trigger (give or take a pound either
way) permits me the control I've learned to like.
Similarly, the snappy and some might say heavy
trigger return spring doesn't allow me to short
stroke or shoot faster than my ability.

Had the opportunity to dry fire a Nighthawk Kortth
on two occasions. I didn't like the trigger. It seemed
that as soon as I began pressure on the trigger it snapped
back and the gun would have fired. No doubt a training
experience was needed but I really didn't like it.
The "suddenness" of the trigger didn't allow me the
control I am used to.

One thing about DA shooting, fast or moderately slow,
once the trigger pull begins it should continue to firing.
No stops, no hesitations or slowing down.

scooter123 · Dec 20, 2017

Typically the DA trigger pull is 12 lbs. +/- 1/2 lbs. The single action trigger is typically 4 lbs after 50-100 rounds fired in single action.

Note, I measure all my trigger weights at midpoint on the trigger face using a Lyman digital trigger gage. I also tune my triggers to a 9 lbs. DA weight because experience has shown that any lighter will cause misfire issues with Remington UMC ammo.

As for why this insistence on UMC compatibility I have found that UMC cases all have flash holes uniformly at 0.82 inch in diameter, which is a diameter that won't jam with stainless steel pins during cleaning. As a result my goto ammo for fresh Once Fired cases for reloading is Remington UMC.

Note, prior to taking up cleaning with the Stainless pins my preferred ammo for reloading was federal and at that time I had my triggers tuned to 8.0 lbs. Frankly I really can't tell the difference between 8 and 9 lbs. so it wasn't any sacrifice at all to tune my triggers to 9 lbs. However when you try reaming the flash holes in about 3000 Federal cases you'll come to understand why I now prefer UMC.

Bill In Texas · Dec 20, 2017

Congratulations on that new 686!

TravisPNW · Dec 21, 2017

JBTJ said:
I use the HKS brand for my 686+ 2.5" barrel and have no problems.

UncleEd said:
HKS has been a standard in speed loaders

Don't judge it by how cheap it is. Now that
Ruger is producing 3 7-round models I think
you'll see that speed loader being offered soon
on their Shop site as is the 6-round HKS.
It's the 587 model, to be distinguished from
the 586. Midway has been selling the 587 for
some time.

Ok... so I see the HKS 587-A... but I'm wondering what you guys think about loading blocks?

Looks a little pricey at $65 or so, but hell, I can make one out of metal or UHMW, I'm a CNC machinist.

Protocall_Design · Dec 21, 2017

Use UHMW. Stainless is way heavier than you need. I make mine out of Acetal (Delrin).

UncleEd · Dec 21, 2017

TravisPNW said:
Ok... so I see the HKS 587-A... but I'm wondering what you guys think about loading blocks?

Looks a little pricey at $65 or so, but hell, I can make one out of metal or UHMW, I'm a CNC machinist.

Never really considered loading blocks because over time
I've ended up with dozens of speed loaders for the L-frame
and K-frame guns.

I just load up a bunch at home and then head to the range.

I'd think that with a loading block by the time you've loaded
the block you could load just as many HKS speed loaders by
hand.

At $65 for the Beez block, you could buy 5 or 6 HKSes right off the bat.

TravisPNW · Dec 21, 2017

Toolguy said:
Use UHMW. Stainless is way heavier than you need. I make mine out of Acetal (Delrin).

Thanks for the tip! I've got Acetal as well.

Haven't checked Google yet but can you point me in the right direction for the bolt circle and other dimensions I need to make one?

UncleEd said:
Never really considered loading blocks because over time
I've ended up with dozens of speed loaders for the L-frame
and K-frame guns.

I just load up a bunch at home and then head to the range.

I'd think that with a loading block by the time you've loaded
the block you could load just as many HKS speed loaders by
hand.

At $65 for the Beez block, you could buy 5 or 6 HKSes right off the bat.

Makes sense. If I used a block at all I'd make one.

I just ordered an HKS... if I like it I'll order more.

Fostereast · Dec 21, 2017

Scooter123 makes a very important point regarding trigger pull. It's nice to smooth out and reduce the trigger pull on a DA, but at some point, store-bought ammo and certain primers can misfire. I set my 627 to an 8lb pull using the J. Miculek spring kit, and the Winchester ammo I bought will not fire. I reload and use Federal primers and they have been 100% reliable.

UncleEd · Dec 21, 2017

TravisPNW said:
I just ordered an HKS... if I like it I'll order more.

Quite a few YouTubes showing how to use a speed loader.
Most important is to just let go of the loader after
releasing the cartridges. Using this technique you have
to be willing to let the loader fall to the ground/floor.

Because I don't want the loaders rolling around on the
ground/floor and forcing me to bend to retrieve them
later, I tend to hold onto the loader which can result in
hangups with insertion of the cartridges. (Before
old age

I usually let the loaders fall away.)

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