I already have a nice S&W 586-1 (M) with a 6 inch barrel



Just saw this S&W 586 no dash 4 inch at my LGS in Switzerland this morning.

Do I need a 4 in addition to the 6 ? Probably not. Do I want it anyway ? Well yeah !

Price is a bit on the high side, but I might talk him down some. Coincidentally I bought the 6 inch at the same LGS 8 years ago. Price was 700.

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Small blemish



The blueing looks different from mine, less blue, more black, and less shiny, more dull or matte. Maybe it’s just dry, and needs oil and TLC.

What do you guys think, superfluous ? Or indispensable ?

And is the absence of an M / modifications recall a problem ?

One of my keepers is a 4" 586 no dash, handguns should be handy the 4" fits that bill.

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Len

The 586 was my first Smith after I turned 21. I paid $330 dollars for it...wish I had bought a whole bunch more back then!

I am the last person to ask the "need vs. want" question. I am in the full throes of S&W buying/trading fever right now, and it's not going away any time soon. The beginning of this year I made an agreement with myself that I am going to take a several month break from gun buying. Since then up to now I've bought at least 8, and traded for a couple more.
What I'm getting at is, life is too short. If you want it and you have the $$, not needing that same money for something else, then I think you should get it. The older Smiths aren't being made anymore.

Is the shop aware of the recall issue, and is it possible for them or you to send it back to S&W to have the recall work done?

If it can't be sent from overseas back to the factory, that would be a good negotiating point for you. Try to have a concerned face when discussing this safety issue with them.

If it can be sent but only by a dealer, they may agree to do so to make it more sell-able. It's a free service from S&W so doing so won't (shouldn't) affect the seller's price. Unless you show disappointment at the thought of having to wait a long time for its return, then maybe they can come down a bit on price to help your mental anguish.

Either way, I understand that not all 586/686's up to -1 require the safety modification, but all are eligible to have the work done. Search this forum for more on that. I just bought a used 586 a bit older than this one that hasn't had the recall work done either. I will probably try it out before deciding whether or not to send it back. That way if I find any other issues S&W can deal with those too. I would think these recalls are a bit embarrassing for companies and by simply sending the repaired gun back with a new factory box and maybe a fresh polishing job, they are helping to keep customers happy.

Personally, I would negotiate to buy it. I think they are one of the best Smith and Wesson made. I think the M stamp is a potential concern. I had one without it and shot it quite awhile before having issues with it. Is there an authorized S&W shop that handles international warranty work ? Good luck to you and let us know if you get it.

I have a nice 586-1 (4") that I picked up in July of 13 for 750. It's very accurate and a pleasure to shoot.

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Ed

Wow, that's cherry! You stole it for $750!

Thanks for the encouragements guys

Thanks. The LGS is probably making 100 $ margin on it once I finish negotiating the price, so I doubt he’ll go through the trouble of sending that gun to S&W in the US for the recall work.

I will contact S&W and see if they have an approved workshop nearer me than can do the work.

I've found the L frames a Little to heavy to carry for an extended period of time, that's what K frames are for. But I sure do like the L frames when shooting .357 Magnum ammo.
If you really want the revolver go for it.

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I have carried an L frame (681) for years , never thought it too heavy . I would buy it as I have had a 586 , 4" barrel before and it was a great gun . It has a much better trigger than the 686 I bought from a retired LEO . Regards, Paul

I wouldn't be in a big hurry to have the recall work done. The problem for which the recall was issued will most likely NEVER be of concern to you. I have a 686 4", that I bought new in Aug of 1981. I've put thousands of rounds through the gun and never had a problem with it. The gun you're considering, probably shipped the latter part of 1986 and is a beautiful example. In your case, they probably don't come up that often. I say go for it! I'm sure you'll never regret it.

A 4 inch L-frame .357 is IMO the best all around utility/duty/general purpose revolver you can have..... k-frame grip frame and trigger reach an the strength of an N-frame. Shot shells, .38s to full bore .357 power.

Can with the right belt and holster be carried concealed..... if necessary... I prefer a 3" K-frame myself .....


So IMHO ...... go get it ASAP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, you absolutely need it.

Your 6"er is a great revolver.

The 4" L-Frame in 357 Magnum is arguably the greatest all around handgun ever made, when all things are considered.

My 586-1 is the best Smith & Wesson that I have ever owned or shot.

Perfect balance, exception trigger in both DA & SA, tack driving accuracy.

So yes, you need that revolver.

This is a pic of mine, to serve as inspiration.




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Yes, you need it! Already said you don't have a 4"!

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So, went back to the LGS on Sunday for some shooting (they have a nice indoor range too) and to pick it up.

They now also had a 686-1 (M), damn





Could not pick up both (already had a Colt SP1 I finished paying, and took a nickel Colt Diamondback, from the same store).



Decisions ...

I took the blue one, paid 800 for it

(I might pick up the other one for 700 in a couple months, if it’s still there).













And as I finished paying and started packing up, the lady at the counter goes : “there’s another pair of grips that come with it”

SCORE







Those will go in storage (with another 4-5 identical pairs).

As my daddy would say...you did good!

Get with Kurac on this site and have him make you a nice set of cokes in a good wood and you will be delighted!

I have had several L frames over the years and ultimately I ended up with a 4" 586 as the best overall. Had a 6", it was nose heavy, a 2.5" and the ejector was too short, had a 4" 686 which I traded for the 4" 586. Now I have a 3" 696, but it's a 44, so it doesn't really count here.

You made the right decision IMO.

Very nice acquisition. Don’t think you could have gone wrong either way. Maybe hold out for a 3” in SS to round out your L frame .357 compulsion.

Like a 3, 4, 6 version of the TALO 3, 5, 7, line. I think I would prefer them in 3”, 4”, and 6”. Those are the perfect barrel lengths for the frame & caliber. IMHO.

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I would have thought the stainless version would cost more than the blued. That's a healthy price difference. Hopefully it will still be around when you decide to give it a home.

I wonder if the 686 comes with another set of stocks too???

Very nice. I think you made a great choice. I have a 586 6" no-dash I bought in the 80's. My first handgun. It has not had the M modification and also has never given me a bit of trouble. The 586 one of S&W's greatest handguns. Probably the last one I'd ever sell, except for my 41. Or my 27. . . or my other 27. . . or my 24's or . . . Yeah, it's a disease.

What a nice lady. You should take her a bouquet of flowers!
Once she threw those into the deal, you officially stole it!

Like the 686, the 586 is a "requirement" of the S&W 357 collection.

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Sent my 686 off recently for the 'M' stamp. Took a couple of weeks.

Shorter barrels bring higher prices.

I have a 686 no dash 6" barrel that I really like. A 4" would be a very nice thing to own.

Yeah, the price is steep, but if you can get it down, it'll be in the ballpark.

If I was saving for another gun I'd pass.

If interested in THAT gun, go for broke.

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I would be a little concerned with the spot that looks like blue wear right above the trigger on the left side. Is that wear from the cylinder hitting the frame when opening/closing? If it is, something is happening there.

Those combat stocks are a $300-400 bonus!! The prices go up every time I see them for sale.

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FBINA 102

In Switzerland they make you pay even for the air your breath or fart...No room for haggling, no matter what your reasons are strong, if you want something you just pay, and pay and pay

And your passions may fade away.. Enjoy it until you can.

And your passions may fade away eventually.. Enjoy it until you can.

Thanks, I’m happy with the purchase. They just don’t do them like that anymore. And it feels like they never will again.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen a 3’’ here.

And I’m sure I never saw a Talo either, they probably don’t export them to Switzerland.

I suspect the 586 was pricier due to the second set of grips. But I didn’t ask about accessories if any for the 686.

If it’s gone, I saved 700. Can’t buy them all.

Good to know they can live without the mod, thanks.

And the cure is ... buy more of ‘em.

She is very nice indeed, she’d always give me more range time than I paid for, a free drink. A few months back I bought a new Colt O1991. She handed me 2 boxes of .45 ACP ammo, and said “the boss decides on gun prices, rebates etc. I decide on free ammo with gun purchases”.

Thanks, I’ll look into it. Yeah I was ecstatic about the combat grips, as they are my favorites. I still have two pairs without a gun, I stopped buying them around $ 175.

Actually, I bought 11 guns this year. For 9 of them I negotiated and got a cheaper price. One was new, but I got two free boxes of ammo. And one was purchased at an auction.

Oh and I’m pretty sure I don’t pay for the air that comes in and out of my body.

The country is expensive for sure, but it comes with the territory, the very high standard of living, including higher than average wages, security / low crime, low unemployment, cleanliness, stable institutions etc.. and it’s pretty too.

Nice find and with that extra pair of grips what an awsome deal you got on a very fine and beautiful gun. On this side of the pond I don't think any reasonable priced 686 sits on any shelf for sale for a couple months. I hope yours is still there for you when your ready and then your L frame collection will be looking darn good! Enjoy!

My favorite reply here is this one:

I just cannot argue with that sentiment.

DON'T LET THE LACK OF THE "M" STAMP CONCERN YOU. I OWN SEVERAL NO-DASH M686s, THAT HAVE NOT BEEN MODIFIED, AND HAVE OPERATED FLAWLESSLY THROUGH MANY THOUSANDS OF ROUNDS....

THE NO-DASH MODEL ENTITLES YOU TO A FREE 2 WAY, ROUND TRIP TO THE FACTORY---SHOULD YOU WANT TO HAVE THE MODS MADE. I TOOK ADVANTAGE OF THE FREE RIDE TO HAVE THE MODS MADE TO MY 2 1/2" M686, THAT I WAS INTENDING TO CARRY. WHILE IT WAS THERE, I HAD A 7 ROUND CYLINDER FITTED TO IT.....

I STRONGLY SUGGEST THAT YOU BUY THAT 4" M586. THE 4" S&Ws ARE THE MOST VERSATILE LENGTH. THEY ARE SUITABLE FOR CONCEALED CARRY, FIELD USE, RANGE USE, AND HOME DEFENSE. IMHO, THEY BALANCE PERFECTLY, BOTH IN THE HAND AND TO THE EYE......

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Sure you can. Just remove the word "arguably"!

Congratulations! The price you paid is correct, and considering the additional set of high-priced combat grips, it becomes a super deal!
As Nightowl previously said, also I noticed the wear of the blueing where I suppose the flipped cylinder touches the frame. It has to be investigated, to me.
Btw, congratulations!
PS : Switzerland is close to me.... in which part do you live there (if you can tell )?

Thanks. I live near Lausanne.

Very nice area; I spent sometimes a weekend in Ovronnaz - Lavey thermal baths, near Montreux.

I just checked, the cylinder does not touch this area, everything is tight. I guess it got gauged somehow.

You made a good choice. The 4-inch 586 is a super .357 - much more pleasant to shoot than the Model 19, IMO. I like and have both the 4- and 6-inch versions and like yourself had the 6-inch gun first. I think I prefer the 4-inch gun, but it’s almost like saying you favor one of your children.

Congratulations on your new 586!

Took it to the range for the first time. First five shots were surprisingly good, 25 m off hand



But then all other strings were left, so I benched it in order to adjust the sight





Then off hand again, and some vertical stringing. Oh well..



Back home with a smile, a little cleaning, and a few pics with the brother

Sweet! I have a 586 no dash 6" I bought new many years ago. Sent it back for the "M" and kinda wishing now I hadn't. Love it.

Would love to have that 686.

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James

Beautiful 586s, and good shooting too!

You are sure to enjoy it! My 4" no dash is ACH 25xx. 1983. Has not had the recall done. Shown here with Herrett Stocks. I do have the originals too. Bob

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