The positive points:
1. Great trigger (have have stoned the rebound slides and the corresponding contacts points in the frame on my other revolvers and did not feel the need to do it on this one);
2. Adjustable trigger stop which was set up perfectly;
3. Came with wooden grips and rubber grips;
4. Tritium insert on front sight;
5. Full sized forcing cone;
6. Did I mention the awesome trigger? I'm mentioning it again because it's really sweet!

The negatives:
1. As a carry gun, it's a bit heavy for the amount of firepower it has. If I'm limited to 6 rounds, I'd rather have a single stack 9, .40 or .45 which is easier for me carry extra rounds and reload.

I am ambivalent about the lock, well maybe I'd rather not have it, but if it really bothered me I'd remove it.

The main reason I bought this is because I lusted after the 19 carry comp that came out in the mid '90s but didn't buy it back then. When this version came out, I decide that I'd buy it if I found it for under a grand.

Did Smith use two piece barrels in 2006, how long were those guns in service? Sooooo it seems you are actually making the point that the new Smiths are more reliable. As far as current, I live in NC and do not believe NCDOC issues revolvers anymore. In truth they have been phasing them out as many other corrections agencies have.

Most of the trade in K frames I have come across have one piece crush fit barrel, I have one myself. The revolvers in service at the time you bring up had been in service for some time. I have lived in NC for over two decades, and I rarely have seen DOC officers with anything but semi auto pistols.

I stopped, and remembered the comments/rumors of crush fit barrels breaking, which makes sense since the process sometimes chokes the throats excessively, the process can also damage the metal of both the frame, and the threads if over done. Smith had been using crush fit for some time, most of it without issue. My former police/DOC model 64 is a performer, but it has the crush fit barrel. In many engineers writings a torque barrel is better than a crushed barrel. Plus the removal of the flat is a clear improvement.

The NC DOC revolvers were brand new model 64s with two piece barrels. The two piece barrels were snapping off at the frame and going down range during qualifications with the new guns.

s&w sent a "team" down to examine the problems - after it had recieved a lot of local press coverage. Shortly thereafter, s&w issued a press release which declared; "NC DOC is continuing its long association with s&w and will be taking delivery of the new m&p 40 pistols....".

While their QA/QC and designs may not be worth a damn, their Public Relations department is top notch.

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7 +1 Rounds of hope & change

Documentation that they were NEW 64's with two piece barrel, mine was purchased at the switch, and it is crush fit barrel.

Google is your friend.

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7 +1 Rounds of hope & change

There are numerous photos floating around documenting breakage at both ends. You do the work, if you want to see them.
And they still retain the lack of user & gunsmith serviceability that the DW system provides.
Denis

NO! MY money I spend how I want. YOU want me to believe your claims it is on YOU to provide documentation. Otherwise it is just noise.

I don't "want" you to believe anything, could not care less what you believe or how you spend your money.

My comments in response to the original mention of DW's two-piecers stand.

The Smith system is not its equal.
Denis

Them leave me alone! You seem to want to form MY opinions for me. That does not work with me, and with most people with open minds. I am willing to look at documentation if someone wants to provide it. But have no respect for product bashing, especially on a forum of members who own those products, and take pride in them.

Critical (analytical) discussions of products is part & parcel of this forum, including the good with the bad.

I make no attempts to form any opinions in your head, I merely state that the Smith system is not the equal of the DW because it's true.

The flange at the muzzle is much less strong than the DW threaded barrel nut.
The Smith two-piece barrel is not interchangeable.
It cannot be serviced (swapped or B/C gap adjusted) by the user or replaced by the local gunsmith.
It HAS broken off at both ends.

If you choose to ignore these facts, that's up to you.
Just don't use the better DW system to justify the Smith system.
Not equal at all.
Denis

Thanks.........Any idea what the OD is at the muzzle end?

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S&W Accumulator

I am done, you provided no evidence, bashed a smith product, even though I expressed that my choice from the start was limited to my own purchases you continued. At no time did I try to change anyone else opinion, or choice. As I expressed don't like something, don't do it, don't buy. But unless it is illegal others choices are not yours, and attempting to push them is insulting.

Yes, you are done.
Nowhere did I bash S&W or attempt to push anybody into, or out of, anything but misleading statements in an attempt to justify what S&W's done with their two-piece barrels.
Denis

I prefer pre lock weapons but I respect the choice of any shooter who purchases a new model S&W revolver in preference to some soulless plastic block.

I own a couple Blocks, they serve their purpose, but I still prefer my revolvers. One thing I never do is go to a Block website to bash Blocks. That would be rude, and inconsiderate, but if I did I would at least have some facts to back it up.

Yes. Have papers, breezes will blow.

I have my last duty revolver before the switch; a 4" 66-2. It was a great gun during the years I carried it in uniform and it is still a great gun today. I have a 3" 66-2 that was carried by my deceased brother-in-law while he was assigned to detectives. It is also a great gun that is accurate and reliable. Now, I couldn't resist the temptation and my curiosity got the better of me, so I bought 2.75" 66-8. I removed the locked and plugged the Hillary hole, as is my habit. It is different; two-piece barrel, MIM and all, but it shoots right up there with the two 66-2s I spoke of. I like the design, which minimizes the potential for a split forcing cone. I like the ball-detente lock-up. In fact, I like most everything about it because it still functions as a reliable and accurate revolver. Further, having it around keeps me from stoking up the 66-2s with some warm magnums and chance causing damage I can't undue or repair easily. Would I buy a 66-8 over an older pre-lock model? Probably not, because of nostalgia, not performance.

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Dave Frost

I ordered a Model 19 Carry Comp from Buds. It had a beautiful trigger. But ... you had to literally smack the right side of the cylinder to get it to open, it didn't lock up properly through an entire 6 round dry fire cycle, and was so pressed against the frame that the finish was scratched through to the bare metal in two places. I was appalled that it got out of the PC that way. No choice but to send it back. A few weeks later, I bought a PC 686+, and it was perfect. QC is dead at S&W. Buy at a gun shop. Check it out rather than buy sight unseen. If you get a good one, it's an awesome revolver. My personal experience over the past five or so years with internet-ordered S&W revolvers: 6 ordered, 4 of which were from the PC. Model 66 was good, Model 586 returned, I declined to try a replacement. Of the PC models, TRR8 was good, kept it. 686+ 5" perfect, will keep for life. 686+ Snub kept but returned to S&W to correct clocked barrel and poor finish. Model 19 Carry Comp, disaster as described above. 3 out 6 ordered -- a full 50% -- were defective, and that average applied to the PC, as well.

I'm not bashing, I love them, and I've bought enough of them. But, I feel I've paid for the right to gripe about their lack of QC.

As far as the lock goes, I don't care for them, but I've never personally had a mechanical problem caused by them. With a few exceptions, you want a new one, you deal with the Hillary hole.

The finish on the new Model 19 Classic is much better than that on the Carry Comp. The Classic has a polished blue finish. Not by any stretch of the imagination comparable to the blued S&W finishes of decades past, but attractive and acceptable. The carry comp has a pretty fragile and unattractive finish that reminds me more of Parkerizing than bluing. If you're over 50 haven't seen that type of "bluing" before, you're going to be very disappointed. The 586 Classic has the same type of finish.

I apologize that a good part of my post is somewhat off topic.

Edit: Geesh, I forgot that I had to send the 66 back to correct a canted barrel, lol. The percentage therefore is greater than 50% defective (from my personal experience, of course).

Nothing new, Sig had a slew of rails fly off their ****** P226 frames back in the mid to late 80’s, blamed it on a supplier. All gun companies have excuses.
Yeah, I had one of those 226’s. In all fairness they did replace the gun.

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Sure you did

No idea, but here it is side by side with my 19-4. Maybe you can get an idea. I suppose the two piece is a little bigger, but not a lot I don't think.



To tell you the truth, for all the talk about the muzzle, I never paid much attention to it. I don't look at it from that end.

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I like it, better than Polymer and Chassis Metal Firing
System things out there, but I'm holding out for the
New 69 45Colt, or 25/625 4"Bbl 45Colt.

I reload a lot. The Internal Firing Pin (IFP) are on
most on of my Revolvers. IFP tighter tolerances is better
for elevating the possibility of the Primer flowing back in the
hole on hunting/hot reloads.

The Yoke/crane Ball Detent (YBD) is on my 629 44Mag Light Hunter.
It is defiantly a better lock up being closer to the
frame window. Makes the Revolver look finished off and
clean looking. I like it.

As for the Side Plate Lock (SPL), that is not a show stopper
for me. It is wise to have if Children are in the Area of
Operation (AO).

Shrouded Barrel, clever design, someone was thinking.
Does not squeeze the barrel at the Frame, uninterrupted
rifling.

I like that it has Adjustable Rear Sight too.

Metal Injected Molding/Machining parts (MIM), WHATEVER.

Also these improvements are the next phase of Collecting
S&W's.

Thank you Smith & Wesson.

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I am looking at the NEW Model 19 carry comp.....
I had an older Model 66 Carry Comp:



However, compared to my RM, a 6" Model 66, a 5" Pre 27, and a pair of later 8-shot 5", 3.5" guns....the 66 was not very accurate...It broke my heart (it was my first PC gun) to sell it, but if it did not shoot...why keep it.
The NEW one should be better...

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Terry
SWCA, SWHS, IWLA, NRA

I have a a no dash 66 snub P & R, the elusive Lady Smith 66 snub Pinned, and a 66-8. I hate to say it the new gun is the best revolver I own. It has a a better trigger, better lockup, is more robust, comes with an even better grip than the uncle mikes on the Lady Smith. The barrel design is superior, the accuracy is better. It has handled a steady diet of magnums. I did have to send it back for forcing cone work but I think I have had to send almost every new gun by S&W and Ruger for something, I expect and demand perfection for my money. The only problems I have with the PC guns is they do require a rework of the action in most cases with heavier springs to get them where I like them. The PC folks also have a tendency to bugger up screws which need to be replaced or leave food in the action.

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Just got an email notification from bud's that they have the carry comp back in stock. Went to the site and it said they had 8 in stock. I grabbed one so 7 left now. Get 'em while they're hot. :-)