New Python vs. 1985 28-3 Highway Patrolman

utex88 · Dec 14, 2021

So…in an attempt to see which can out the other (in my hands only, of course) my recent range trip included my pristine 28-3 and my 2021 Colt Python, both six inch barrels. Some background…

This Python is my second, the first made three trips back to Colt and it was finally replaced due to multiple defects. Long story. The new Python actually worked. I have above average sized hands, and as pretty as the Altomont grips are, Pachmyers were needed for me to get a good grip on the gun.

The S&W was purchased for half the price seen on GB lately, about six months before the pandemic. Original grips, virtually no wear. I didn’t even see rings on the front of the cylinder.

This was not the first time shooting either but it was the first time shooting them side by side. The 28-3, laser beam. Holes inside of holes at ten yards freehand. The Colt, six inch groups and shooting about four inches high. This, with the rear sight set as low as it can go. I’m suspecting a crooked barrel. Ive spent so much time wrestling with the New Python product that’s it’s being sold.

Physically, the Colt is stunning, the supermodel of revolvers. Buttery smooth double action…with sharp edges around the edges of the trigger. The single action is complete trash, creepy and heavy. The Smith; the semi-matte finish is still nice but not a a high polish. Fit and finish near-equal to the Colt. The double action trigger, nice…but the single action is sublime. Light, breaks like glass.

I’ve learned a good lesson about modern revolvers, they really don’t make ‘Em like they used to. Only 1980s and prior for me from now on….

03hemi · Dec 14, 2021

utex88 said:
So…in an attempt to see which can out the other (in my hands only, of course) my recent range trip included my pristine 28-3 and my 2021 Colt Python, both six inch barrels. Some background…

This Python is my second, the first made three trips back to Colt and it was finally replaced due to multiple defects. Long story. The new Python actually worked. I have above average sized hands, and as pretty as the Altomont grips are, Pachmyers were needed for me to get a good grip on the gun.

The S&W was purchased for half the price seen on GB lately, about six months before the pandemic. Original grips, virtually no wear. I didn’t even see rings on the front of the cylinder.

This was not the first time shooting either but it was the first time shooting them side by side. The 28-3, laser beam. Holes inside of holes at ten yards freehand. The Colt, six inch groups and shooting about four inches high. This, with the rear sight set as low as it can go. I’m suspecting a crooked barrel. Ive spent so much time wrestling with the New Python product that’s it’s being sold.

Physically, the Colt is stunning, the supermodel of revolvers. Buttery smooth double action…with sharp edges around the edges of the trigger. The single action is complete trash, creepy and heavy. The Smith; the semi-matte finish is still nice but not a a high polish. Fit and finish near-equal to the Colt. The double action trigger, nice…but the single action is sublime. Light, breaks like glass.

I’ve learned a good lesson about modern revolvers, they really don’t make ‘Em like they used to. Only 1980s and prior for me from now on….

I'll keep the Python hands down, all day long over those two choices myself.

cowboy4evr · Dec 14, 2021

I can't say anything about the new pythons as I don't have one . But--- I do have S&W model 28's in 4" and 6" barrels . I have hung onto both for quite a few years and will continue . They are both very accurate , both have great finish (for 28's) , both great actions , single and double .
I do have a Colt OM Trooper in 357 , 4" . It also is a very accurate shooter . Yes , the dbl action stacks a bit and does take some getting used to but I will keep it as well . It's my " poor mans " python . I recently had my gunsmith go through it , clean and oil properly . Best $ I spent in a long time . Sorry to hear about your grief with the new Pythons , glad to hear the Smith's are doing well for you . Regards Paul

Daimler1989 · Dec 14, 2021

Hi all,
no 2021 story but a 1988 one. In those days I owned a Python 6", made in 1980 (or so). Pretty gun, good accuracy, I was quite satisfied with my results in target shooting with it. Then I got a S&W 29, 6". Totally different handling, totally different trigger, much better accuracy, given that we were talking about shooting mostly .38 Special from a 6" Python vs. light .44 Magnum target loads from a 6" N-Frame. I decided to swap the Python for am 6" Model 27, which at the very last moment I did not. Instead I took the 4" Model 27 my LGS had in the showcase when I arrived to fetch my ordered 27 6". I payed in cash the Python for the S&W.

Never looked back since then. I still own this Model 27 4" since early 1988. I guess it put about 25000 rounds through it, 2/3 .38 Specials handloads (not on the weak side). It is as smooth as you could imagine and reliable as well (compare to a Mercedes S-Class). It won me a lot of competitions. I still can shoot it very well despite of my fading eyesight (which makes me like 6 and 6.5 inchers more than in the good old days).

So in bref: For more then 33 years now, Pythons lost all their appeal to me.

regards from Germany
Ulrich

Fishinfool · Dec 14, 2021

When the new Python was introduced, I was keen on getting a 4 inch model. I handled several of the 6 inch guns, and was impressed with the fit and finish, as well as the DA trigger pull. I found the SA pull on both to be good, but not quite up to usual S&W standards.

Then the Anaconda was announced, which put the Python on the back burner for me. Last week, a buddy picked up a six inch Anaconda. Just as nice as the Python in fit and finish, as well as an outstanding DA trigger. Again, the SA pull was certainly good, but not quite up to S&W's best. It felt good in my hand, and I liked the balance. A six inch Anaconda is now at the top of my short list.

Those are my never having fired either first impressions.

I have not read much about the new Python's accuracy, but figure if it is a negative systemic issue, it would be noted by now on the interweb. Sounds like there is a problem with your gun, shooting 6 inch groups at ten yards. Shooter skills would be my first thought on a gun fired free hand at that range, but you said you were shooting one hole groups with the 28 at the same distance..... I would be curious what bullet weight you were using to have the rear sight all the way down, and still be 4 inches high?

Larry

CH4 · Dec 14, 2021

In addition to my vintage Pythons, I have and appreciate my 4" 2021 Python and 4" 28-2. Fit and finish are nice on both, but tolerances on the new Python seem much tighter; although my 28-2 is over 40 years old, it hasn't seen much more use than my 6 month old Python.

If I had to choose one to CCW or carry on duty, I'd go with the Python merely because it's smaller - I frame v. N frame. I haven't done a side by side shootout, but knowing my abilities, any differences in accuracy would likely be negligible.

ruger 22 · Dec 14, 2021

I like the Pythons both old and new. My brother has an old one and a shooting friend of his just got a new one. However if given a choice I will always take the Smith every time.

rockquarry · Dec 14, 2021

Not a criticism, and there's nothing wrong with basing an evaluation on test results from one sample as long as the one sample evaluation is taken into account by both tester and reader.

As for the new Pythons, I'm curious about the accuracy. I've had two older ones for a long time. I can't say they shoot any better than an M28 and a couple of M27s I've also had for a long time.

I haven't done a side-by-side benchrested accuracy comparison, but I'm pretty sure my two 1950s Colt 3-5-7 models will shoot at least as well as the Pythons. Regardless, the Pythons, new or old, look neat...

utex88 · Dec 14, 2021

Shooter skill is always my first thought as well, which is why I wanted to compare the two guns. Ammo was standard 158 grain LRN with AA#9, medium powered rounds, can’t recall the grains of powder. Same distance, both six inch rounds, the difference on accuracy was dramatic. The target posted was the 28-3, the target for the Python was not photo-worthy, to say the least.

Fishinfool said:
When the new Python was introduced, I was keen on getting a 4 inch model. I handled several of the 6 inch guns, and was impressed with the fit and finish, as well as the DA trigger pull. I found the SA pull on both to be good, but not quite up to usual S&W standards.

Then the Anaconda was announced, which put the Python on the back burner for me. Last week, a buddy picked up a six inch Anaconda. Just as nice as the Python in fit and finish, as well as an outstanding DA trigger. Again, the SA pull was certainly good, but not quite up to S&W's best. It felt good in my hand, and I liked the balance. A six inch Anaconda is now at the top of my short list.

Those are my never having fired either first impressions.

I have not read much about the new Python's accuracy, but figure if it is a negative systemic issue, it would be noted by now on the interweb. Sounds like there is a problem with your gun, shooting 6 inch groups at ten yards. Shooter skills would be my first thought on a gun fired free hand at that range, but you said you were shooting one hole groups with the 28 at the same distance..... I would be curious what bullet weight you were using to have the rear sight all the way down, and still be 4 inches high?

Larry

rogerwnuss · Dec 14, 2021

utex88 said:
So…in an attempt to see which can out the other (in my hands only, of course) my recent range trip included my pristine 28-3 and my 2021 Colt Python, both six inch barrels. Some background…

This Python is my second, the first made three trips back to Colt and it was finally replaced due to multiple defects. Long story. The new Python actually worked. I have above average sized hands, and as pretty as the Altomont grips are, Pachmyers were needed for me to get a good grip on the gun.

The S&W was purchased for half the price seen on GB lately, about six months before the pandemic. Original grips, virtually no wear. I didn’t even see rings on the front of the cylinder.

This was not the first time shooting either but it was the first time shooting them side by side. The 28-3, laser beam. Holes inside of holes at ten yards freehand. The Colt, six inch groups and shooting about four inches high. This, with the rear sight set as low as it can go. I’m suspecting a crooked barrel. Ive spent so much time wrestling with the New Python product that’s it’s being sold.

Physically, the Colt is stunning, the supermodel of revolvers. Buttery smooth double action…with sharp edges around the edges of the trigger. The single action is complete trash, creepy and heavy. The Smith; the semi-matte finish is still nice but not a a high polish. Fit and finish near-equal to the Colt. The double action trigger, nice…but the single action is sublime. Light, breaks like glass.

I’ve learned a good lesson about modern revolvers, they really don’t make ‘Em like they used to. Only 1980s and prior for me from now on….

Somebody put a nice set of Targets on that bad boy....

utex88 · Dec 14, 2021

That’s an interesting point, the date stamp is 1985, same period corresponding to the manufacturing date. Can’t tell if it’s a coincidence or the original grips. But yes, they’re mighty nice looking!

rogerwnuss said:
Somebody put a nice set of Targets on that bad boy....

.38SuperMan · Dec 15, 2021

I’ve not done a side by side shootout but I own a 28-2 4” I bought new in 78 and bought a new 4.25” Python this summer. Without shooting them side by side I’d say accuracy is pretty much equal. Both are quite accurate.

Triggers, as mentioned the 28 out of the box has a touch better single action trigger but not by much. Double action both are good but the Python beats it. I did a little comparison of my K frame and N frame Smiths against the Pythons DA trigger. My 66 has had trigger work done on it and it’s a good match to the Python straight from the box. They feel different but are both buttery smooth. SA the 66 wins but again it’s been worked on.

Feel is a personal thing but I like the Pythons feel. Same with looks, the 28 is a good looking classic revolver but the Python is stunning to my eye. Fit and finish, the 28 was never designed to be a show piece but the finish is nice. The 28 is a workhorse gun not a super model as one person said. Fit is fabulous on both guns and pretty much equal.

Both guns are great experiences to shoot. Both are very accurate. Each have their plus and minuses but none of the minuses are really negatives in my book. I’d say buy the one that appeals to you and enjoy it.

I also owned a late 70’s/early 80’s 6” Python but foolishly sold it. In my opinion the new Python is every bit as good if not a little better. Which is best depends on your taste.

Fishinfool · Dec 15, 2021

OP - Sorry to hear of your issues. I would take that Python, and do a sit down at the bench with it, trying a variety of loads. Test the real accuracy the gun is capable of. If things don't get dramatically better, a trip back to Colt is called for. At the same time, mention the SA trigger pull and elevation issue. From what I have read, Colt has stepped up their CS with their new revolvers. I wouldn't dump the gun unless you really just don't like it, and can't get any satisfaction from Colt.

Larry

rogerwnuss · Dec 15, 2021

utex88 said:
That’s an interesting point, the date stamp is 1985, same period corresponding to the manufacturing date. Can’t tell if it’s a coincidence or the original grips. But yes, they’re mighty nice looking!

I believe Targets came on 27s, Magnas on 28s. At least, all the ones I've had over the years. Most of mine got targets put on 'em tho....... targets were cheap for a decade or so there, people would come in and get those damned rubber grips and leave the wood on the counter....

Neversink n Klapperthal · Dec 15, 2021

Me,I`d rather have the Model 28.Although a beautiful gun,the Python grip frame never fir my hand as well as a Smiths. That,coupled with a muzzle heavy gun to begin with. I just got rid of my old Python. No regrets

sodacan · Dec 15, 2021

I have two 1st year Highway Patrolman (4"&6"), a 1967 model 28-2 (6"), and a 1972 Colt Python (6"). They're all great shooters with different characteristics. Embrace the differences.They make life more interesting. Shoot what you like and like what you shoot.

cmj8591 · Dec 15, 2021

For every person who shoots a tight group with gun A vs. gun B, there's another person who will shoot a tight group with gun B vs. gun A. The point is, you really can't have a discussion about a guns accuracy potential unless the guns are fired without a human factor. IE: a Ransom rest. It's all good to talk about individual experiences, but it's important to remember that they are just that, individual experiences and don't really tell us much about what a gun's potential is. The rest of the discussion is just about justifying why someone likes chocolate ice cream better than vanilla.

rockquarry · Dec 15, 2021

cmj8591 said:
For every person who shoots a tight group with gun A vs. gun B, there's another person who will shoot a tight group with gun B vs. gun A. The point is, you really can't have a discussion about a guns accuracy potential unless the guns are fired without a human factor. IE: a Ransom rest. It's all good to talk about individual experiences, but it's important to remember that they are just that, individual experiences and don't really tell us much about what a gun's potential is. The rest of the discussion is just about justifying why someone likes chocolate ice cream better than vanilla.

True to an extent. Regarding the use of a Ransom Rest vs. not using one...the human factor can be reduced considerably by a skilled shooter using good equipment to the point where results are valid and meaningful at 25 yards.

Do some testing and you'll find what the late Al Miller (skilled shooter and longtime editor of HANDLOADER and RIFLE magazines) discovered years ago. Others have done the same. With sufficient practice, one should be able to duplicate at 25 yards (benchrested) the Ransom Rest's capability at 50 yards. True, not quite as good as Ransom Rest, but close enough to validate the accuracy or lack of same for handguns.

I sold my Ransom Rest and accessories.

Hawg Rider · Dec 15, 2021

Sodacan makes a good point...embrace the differences. Not only that, we're talking about comparing a Colt K-frame size revolver (Python) with a larger, heavier S&W N-frame (Model 28). If I'm not mistaken, didn't S&W produce the lighter K-frame Model 19s to compete with the Python? My modest revolver collection includes N-frames: 4" and 6" Model 28-2s, a 6-1/2" .357 Magnum (pre-Model 27), several Model 27-2s (3-1/2", 6", 6-1/2"), as well as some Model 19s. I also have a 1982 6" Python. I rescued the Python from my local gun store a few years ago for under $700 after someone traded it in...believe it or not they had been using it as a "truck gun" and it certainly had been bounced around! There are definite differences between the vintage S&Ws and the vintage Colt, but that is what makes shooting them fun. All my revolvers have great fit and finish, are mechanically tight, and are great shooters. Even my dinged up Python is a great and accurate shooter. I have heard good things about the new Pythons, but I have no experience with them.

swagmeister · Dec 15, 2021

The new Python is touted as being a very strong and reliable revolver. The old Pythons were very accurate revolvers but were subject to going out of time. I know because I had a stainless 6" Python several years ago that was sent back to the Colt factory to have the timing issue addressed and also an action job from the Colt Custom Shop. After it was returned, I shot approximately 150 rounds of factory .357 ammo and it went out of time again. And this was shooting it at a moderate pace, both in single and double action; no trying to mimic the great Jerry Miculek. I have several shooting friends who have experienced the same timing problems with their guns. Hopefully your new Python won't have the same issue or any other issues. I have read articles in the past where the old Python shot thousands of rounds of .357 without any timing problems. I just don't believe that. I would take a clean Model 28 all day long over a Python. I have had several Model 28's over the years with zero issues of timing problems or any other problems whatsoever, and this after thousands of rounds of .357 were shot thru them. I hope that you have zero issues with your new Python and enjoy shooting it for a very long time. I'm just an old fool who is stuck in the past and believes the older a handgun is, the better. This was not meant to be a Python bashing post and I hope it was not taken that way. Just my personal opinion.

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