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New S & W 18-4
I found a S & W 18-4 on Gunbroker recently. It arrived today and I am very happy with the revolver. Pictures attached. S & W 18-4.1.jpg
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05-06-2024, 09:29 PM
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Looks perfect. It should be a great shooter.
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05-06-2024, 09:52 PM
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Very, very nice!! Great find!
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I hope you don't have extraction problems as some here do. I cured mine, not with a reamer, but with a bore brush on a slow drill and a patch with some fine lapping compound from Wheeler Engineering.
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I took the new revolver to the range today. Three or four cylinders of Federal ammo without any extraction problems. Ran out of Federal so I switched to Winchester. After three cylinders extraction became extremely difficult. I will clean the cylinder thoroughly and try again with CCI and see how it goes.
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Well... I thoroughly cleaned the cylinder and fired some CCI with extraction problems at the first cylinder full. I will clean it again and try the Federal again and see if it is better. I guess I am going to have to work on the cylinder. I will try polishing first and if that does not work I guess a gunsmith for reaming.
A friend of mine just purchased a 18-3 a couple of weeks ago and is having the same issues with his. I am guessing S & W reamed the cylinders and the small size is the norm. I guess they didn't expect us to shoot them.
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I think the run the reamers past their actual life span.
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05-10-2024, 11:41 AM
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My friend just bought a brand new 617, same issue of hard extraction, I told him send it back.
The difficult extraction issue has been a semi regular topic since I've been a member, there have been some good step by step threads with pics as well of exactly how to ream them safely.
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Congratulations, the 18's are fine guns and great shooters. Cases sticking and hard extraction after more than a dozen rounds is common. Others have already mentioned reaming the cylinder which solves the problem. If you don't wish to ream the cylinder buy a 525 round Federal Value Pack. They're cheap, accurate and eliminate the sticking and ejection problems.
Enjoy your new 18,
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Your model 18 deserves to be finished as the original designer intended, with a cylinder that is reamed to SAAMI specifications. It really isn't that difficult of a job, and well worth it from a standpoint of enjoying every trip to the range. I've done a number of revolvers with one reamer that I purchased from Brownells.
.22 chamber reaming report
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Reamer ordered today from Brownells.
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Anybody tried "finish" reaming aluminum cylinders? Any thoughts, comments welcome.
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Anybody tried "finish" reaming aluminum cylinders? Any thoughts, comments welcome.
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One of my .22's is a 317, which I finish reamed along with all my other .22 revolvers. As you might expect, the cutting went a little faster since the cylinder is aluminum, but there wasn't any problem. I don't recall how much material was removed, it's been a couple of years now.
As I went through my modest .22 revolver collection and reamed all the cylinders to SAMMI specs, it was interesting that some required very little material removal, while others required quite a bit. It just goes to show you the wide range of manufacturing variability in S&W's machining that occurred over the years.
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One of my .22's is a 317, which I finish reamed along with all my other .22 revolvers. As you might expect, the cutting went a little faster since the cylinder is aluminum, but there wasn't any problem. I don't recall how much material was removed, it's been a couple of years now.
As I went through my modest .22 revolver collection and reamed all the cylinders to SAMMI specs, it was interesting that some required very little material removal, while others required quite a bit. It just goes to show you the wide range of manufacturing variability in S&W's machining that occurred over the years.
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There are a variety of 22 chambers specs all of the variations being minor.
But, I believe that S&W runs their reamers past their ACTUAL life span. Some guns of the same era and dash are fine others stick, When reaming with a fresh reamer one will end up getting more metal removed than another
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Quote:
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One of my .22's is a 317, which I finish reamed along with all my other .22 revolvers. As you might expect, the cutting went a little faster since the cylinder is aluminum, but there wasn't any problem. I don't recall how much material was removed, it's been a couple of years now.
As I went through my modest .22 revolver collection and reamed all the cylinders to SAMMI specs, it was interesting that some required very little material removal, while others required quite a bit. It just goes to show you the wide range of manufacturing variability in S&W's machining that occurred over the years.
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Thanks for the reply!
My 1 7/8" M317 is fun to shoot except for the sticky extraction. I have one of the Brownell finish reamers and some cutting oil - may give it a try on the 317 (sort of a practice run).
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There are a variety of 22 chambers specs all of the variations being minor.
But, I believe that S&W runs their reamers past their ACTUAL life span. Some guns of the same era and dash are fine others stick, When reaming with a fresh reamer one will end up getting more metal removed than another
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I have/had 3 M17s/K22s. Even the pre M17 guns had to be "burnished" and work just fine now. Have a more current production M17-8 and a M617 neither of which have extraction problems.
Have a 4" M18-3 that extracts easily but is hard to fully seat cartridges (short or varying depth transition from chamber to throat maybe?)
Have a 4" L Frame (M34?), a 3" and a 1 7/8" M317s all of which exhibit sticky extraction.
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Have a 4" L Frame (M34?), a 3" and a 1 7/8" M317s all of which exhibit sticky extraction.
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They have made I,J and K frame 22s. I do not believe they made any L frames. The model 34 22s are J frames
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They have made I,J and K frame 22s. I do not believe they made any L frames. The model 34 22s are J frames
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You are right of course -- it's a J frame. We get to the point where we are thinking one thing and typing something else LOL.
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The saga continues.
The Brownells reamer arrived on Tuesday. I got everything organized so on Wednesday I reamed the cylinder. It took about ten minutes for all six chambers. No substantial amount of metal removed. A few bumps like rough spots was all.
On Friday I fired 70 rounds of CCI mini mag rounds without any extraction problems. I am going to mildly polish the chambers and see how many rounds I can fire before I encounter extraction issues.
Life may be good!
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The saga continues.
The Brownells reamer arrived on Tuesday. I got everything organized so on Wednesday I reamed the cylinder. It took about ten minutes for all six chambers. No substantial amount of metal removed. A few bumps like rough spots was all.
On Friday I fired 70 rounds of CCI mini mag rounds without any extraction problems. I am going to mildly polish the chambers and see how many rounds I can fire before I encounter extraction issues.
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Use some 2000 sand paper on your swap and go stright in and out. Going around will cause rings for hold up of extraction.
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I have also had great success using a chamber reamer on numerous 22LR revolvers.
FWIW, the tight cylinders and difficult extraction problem isn't unique to S&W. I've had to ream the cylinders of Rossi, S&W, Taurus, Heritage, and High Standard revolvers to cure sticky-extraction issues.
I've had to do it on both steel and aluminum cylinders, In fact, I have a recently purchased a SA Chiappa revolver that needs to have the cylinder reamed. For whatever reason it just seems to be a common issue across the board for 22LR revolvers - regardless of who manufactured them.
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