PPC Revolvers

acpick11

Member
Joined
Dec 15, 2009
Messages
22
Reaction score
3
Location
Downstate Illinois
I’ve wanted a PPC revolver for a while…What are features to look for..?…Who are some of the pistol smith who built good ones…?
I’m not planning on shooting completion with it, but have been practicing double action shooting, and want the ultimate double action range toy.
 
Register to hide this ad
I guess it should look something like this -

IMG_0228.jpg

Bill Davis is the first that comes to mind.

Excellent trigger, heavy barrel and Aristocrat sight rib.

Keep in mind that you'll often be limited to the type of ammo that you can use. This gun started off as a 357 Magnum but is limited to 148 WC for best accuracy.
 
PPC revolvers are usually "zeroed" for the "neck hold" sight picture on a B-27 target--with a "regular" sight picture your point of impact may be quite low. Just something of which you may or may not be aware.
 
I've had a "no name", indifferently re-blued, Model 10 PPC revolver that is a joy to shoot for many years. It performs better than the visually appealing "Cassavant Custom" Model 66 PPC revolver I got a few years back.
(FYI, Don Cassavant was involved with developmental work on the Harvey Kay Chuk revolver. Link to a little about Cassavant below:
In retrospect: the .22 Jet Model 53 )

Both have the three position rear sight having sight rib, but the M66 also has an adjustable front sight.
 
Last edited:
Many second-hand PPC revolvers have been heavily used. On the other hand, getting a new one made is very expensive.

Have a look at the classified ads right here on the forum!
Jebus35745 has a very nice looking 4" PPC revolver built by Andy Horvath! It's available right now!
One of the GREAT things about the forum is the used gun opportunities. The sellers are just about always honest, friendly, and knowledgeable.
 
Last edited:
PPC revolvers are usually "zeroed" for the "neck hold" sight picture on a B-27 target--with a "regular" sight picture your point of impact may be quite low. Just something of which you may or may not be aware.

While true, most of the revolvers I saw in competition and the one I used had quick adjustable sights. On my Davis built revolver, the front sight was adjustable. As I recall, I set it for 7, 25 and 50 yards. 7 yards I held on the “9” on the B27 and the bullets dropped neatly into the X ring. 25 and 50 yards were adjusted for neck holds.

The rifling is usually set for 148-150 grain wadcutter bullets over 2.7-2.8 grains of Bullseye powder. But several fellows were able to shoot there way onto the podium with other combinations. And, I think some fellows have used these revolvers in plate matches or other falling target matches.

strawhat-albums-strawhat-ii-picture25045-d52df450-cfde-42a2-9704-7a6e0fd37384.jpeg


I can provide other images if you would like.

Kevin
 
I have shot my share of PPC matches using a M15, M19 or M586. With the exception of a little minor trigger tuning, they are all stock and I just never felt the need for a designated PPC revolver.

Some of the guys did have "PPC guns" and I suppose if you are really 1,000% into something you might want to use the touted official gear as well. I have no issues with guys who use them, I just never felt the need or had the desire for one - but that's just me.
 
I have never seen a 4” PPC gun kinda cool looking. Do you shoot it competitively? A friend of mine inherited a PPC gun built on a model 15. Was apparently put together by a smith named Eversoll out of Louisiana. Also has the customary Aristocrat rib. The gun is ultra smooth and supremely accurate.
 
Last edited:
I have shot my share of PPC matches using a M15, M19 or M586. With the exception of a little minor trigger tuning, they are all stock and I just never felt the need for a designated PPC revolver.

Some of the guys did have "PPC guns" and I suppose if you are really 1,000% into something you might want to use the touted official gear as well. I have no issues with guys who use them, I just never felt the need or had the desire for one - but that's just me.

When I started competing in PPC, I used a Model 27-2. After several matches, a retiring competitor offered me the revolver in my above post. I grabbed it. My scores improved to put me on the winners podium.

At some point, I was given a 6” Model 686 no dash with Patridge front sight, I used this revolver in the Distinguished Combat Matches. I used a 4” Model 15-3 for the Service Matches and a Model 36-1 for the Off Duty Legs. Over the course of a year, I noticed my Distinguished scores and my Unlimited scores to be nearly identical. Not surprisingly, the more I practiced with my Distinguished revolver, the less I relied on my David revolver.


I did use a 4’ Model 686-1 in the Service Match but found I preferred the 4’ Model 15-3.

Once I stopped competing, I sold both of the Model 686’s.

Kevin
 
If I was you I would keep an eye on the gun for sale forums or put an ad here and watch for a decent used one. Just because a gun has a "Davis Model" aristocrat rib doesn't make it a Davis built gun. If you just want it to shoot at the range like a normal revolver , an older gun with a Bomar type rib would be fine. As others have stated the tri-set front or rear sight is to shoot dead on #1, neck hold at 25 yards #2, and neck hold at 50 yards #3. This was a good remedy for older eyes that can't pick out the lines on a B-27 at 25 or 50 yards. It also had the added benefit of not staring at the hole you were shooting and chasing it.

The guns can vary greatly in weight, so have some idea what the gun you are buying weighs. My main gun was 62 OZ empty. Some had heavier, others lighter. I had lighter guns built, when tendonitis hit me bad, but just could never switch over to them, on a permanent basis.

You might contact "PPC Shooter" here on the forum he is a long time serious PPC shooter from Chicago PD. Retired now by the Quad- cities, he would probably know if any smiths in IL still built guns or if anyone in your area had one for sale. Most new shooters have little interest in revolvers, partly due to ammo cost.
Most of the guns I see for sale online are made by-who knows- which could be alright if you knew how it shot. The biggest problem is they want way too much for an unknown quality gun.
If you see one you are interested in online, PM me and I could look it over for you, to see if I could supply any info. if you like.

I haven't shot competition for a UH--few years but just can't seem to part with any of mine yet. I still do shoot a couple of them.

Funny, I went to the range with a friend a few weeks ago. He is an ok shot. He was lamenting that he had just sold his one revolver, a good gun, because he couldn't hit anything with it, especially in double action.
I loaded six into a Davis gun I had taken that day and told him just keep the trigger moving on each shot. You should have seen his smile when he was done. He stated, well maybe I just need a different revolver.
The weight and smooth trigger does help with the sight movement.
Good luck
 

Attachments

  • guns.jpg
    guns.jpg
    162.7 KB · Views: 90
Last edited:
The several years I competed in PPC for my department I used two completely stock revolvers, a ca. 1948 6" K-38 and a 4" Model 14-1 Hanen/Dayton. My usual scores ran 585 to 595 of the 600 point possible total score for the full course, in either practice or competition. Competition scores were usually higher than practice.

I never have seen the need for an expensive custom built revolver to shoot PPC! Neither did any of the other shooters on my team.
 
Last edited:
The good used ones have light and smooth trigger pulls, great sight rib, are accurate to at least 50 yards with the right ammo, but are super HEAVY! You have to be independently wealthy or a reloader to shoot much quality .38 SPL ammo.
 
ALK, I think you are right to a degree. I tell new shooters today, that mostly compete with a semi-auto, to get a nice L-frame or full lugged 14 to start with a revolver.
You can still get neck hold at 50 yards if the gun has a tall set of sights.
They can shoot the gun in the open and Distinguished match until they feel they need/want a better gun.

There are more advantages to a full blown PPC gun than just the weight and rib. Some of it has to do with ease of use and keeping the shooter relaxed during the match.
In the old days, at the bigger events, the PPC 1500--150 round match was shot one phase at a time. Match 1-24 rounds, stop,score targets, let other relays shoot. Match 2 -18 rounds repeat same etc.

Matches are not shot like that anymore. When you walk to the line you have to be prepared to shoot all the matches back-to-back. The only time you have to reload speed loaders/magazines or make sight changes, or blacken your sights, or anything else, is the time it takes for everyone to change their targets. A "good" range office will hold up a little bit for the 50 yard phase to give shooters a minute to put down their mat adjust sights etc.

Believe me there is nothing worse for your heart rate than trying to count clicks on a factory rear sight, even if you mark the spot it should end at. Especially when you are older, wearing shooting glasses that DONT have bifocals to see what you are doing. Hence the tri-set front or rear sight. One second-click- you are done. Match over-click, back to normal. Really a BIG advantage. Same with speed loaders and loading blocks. I finally went to just 28-29 loaded loaders/magazines. Just way easier and relaxing than rushing to do everything.

Of course, I appreciate the competitors that shoot plain revolvers/autos, don't change sight position or smoke their sights. They do not suffer the time constraints. Unfortunately, they rarely win either. In older days there was only one class of gun. I was like that too at first, thought I would set the world on fire with my 4" Python. And in the 70's at local matches, I did ok. I was actually doing it just to improve my skills for work. No IDPA or IPSC in those days in Iowa at least. Then got caught up in the "competition thing" which was a great hobby and a lot of fun and friends over 35 years of shooting.
 
Last edited:
I have shot my share of PPC matches using a M15, M19 or M586. With the exception of a little minor trigger tuning, they are all stock and I just never felt the need for a designated PPC revolver.

Some of the guys did have "PPC guns" and I suppose if you are really 1,000% into something you might want to use the touted official gear as well. I have no issues with guys who use them, I just never felt the need or had the desire for one - but that's just me.

I don't think you will break 1490 with a M15.

If you plan ongoing higher than Master Class you need a real PPC gun.
 
Back
Top