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Got a pistol frame and a bunch of time. Not a Smith. Not old. Not collectible. Finish is thin and steel is showing. If you've used a DIY metal finish on a pistol or revolver, what did you use? Were you satisfied with the results and how easy was it? Did it require alot of special accessories/tools? Also is there is a good internet reference on DIY finishes? Thanks.
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Parkerizing. I think it’s much better than any of the paint jobs.
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Never done a whole gun myself. Have done some spot blue. I am inclined to agree with CH4 above BUT I am not sure you can get the chemicals needed any more without a legit business address to ship to. I admit I like the appearance of dark gray ceracoat but i Have no idea about its durability long term.
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CLEAN the gun real well with soap and water Find or make a box large enough to hand it and parts in. Place a small bowl of salty water in the box close it up and wait a couple days. Warmer location the better. Take parts out and wipe down with real fine steel wool. Back in box, Repeat repeat repeat until it is dark enough oil and enjoy
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It's been awhile but I tried the Duracoat, 2-part rattle can of aerosol blueing on an old handgun. Like any finish/refinish, prepping is a major factor in a quality job. Just follow directions. IIRC, it was around $40 a can back then?
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I ended up re-barreling and having it pro refinished so can't comment on durability of the DIY job.

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I've had great results with Brownell's Guncoat. If you have an air compressor, you can get a cheep media blaster from Harbor Freight. Give the external parts a good going over with some fine aluminum oxide and you will end up with a nice satin finish. I did a Remington 700 that way about 10 years ago and it has held up well deer hunting. Just one word to the wise: Don't bake it in the oven while your wife is home. The odor is a bit foul (According to her. It didn't really bother me.) and you'll never hear the end of it. Good luck!
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For a blued finish, rust blueing is the best for the DIY refinisher. Cold blue is fast and easy, but not as durable nor as pretty. Faster refinish would be the spray and bake finishes. KG Gunkote is very good. I applied it to some firearms back when it was the new DIY spray and bake finish. Properly applied, it does wear reasonably well and is very corrosion resistant.
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Thanks, Guys! I appreciate the help. Probably going the spray on way. Still open for new ideas. Rust bluing is an option. I do have a cabinet built for that from when my father was building muzzleloaders. Parkerizing I'm not so sure about.
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I've had great results with Brownell's Guncoat. If you have an air compressor, you can get a cheep media blaster from Harbor Freight. Give the external parts a good going over with some fine aluminum oxide and you will end up with a nice satin finish. I did a Remington 700 that way about 10 years ago and it has held up well deer hunting. Just one word to the wise: Don't bake it in the oven while your wife is home. The odor is a bit foul (According to her. It didn't really bother me.) and you'll never hear the end of it. Good luck!
I assume you blast it with the aluminum oxide before applying the finish?
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Also, this is a 1911 frame. Where do I need coverage and where do I need to avoid? I know the finishes are pretty thin, but is there someplace where it causes problems?
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Here's a good video on rust blueing:
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I assume you blast it with the aluminum oxide before applying the finish?
That's usually the plan!
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CLEAN the gun real well with soap and water Find or make a box large enough to hand it and parts in. Place a small bowl of salty water in the box close it up and wait a couple days. Warmer location the better. Take parts out and wipe down with real fine steel wool. Back in box, Repeat repeat repeat until it is dark enough oil and enjoy
I've tried them all, but never this one. Gonna try it on one of those "inexpensive" MKII HPs being imported from Israel after I strip the paint.
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Rust Blue isn't difficult to do. It does take a lot of attention to detail though.
Plus it's time consuming when you add it all up.

Any of the paint coat finishes would be much easier and quicker I would imagine though I have never painted a gun myself.
Parkerizing in down the road much like rust bluing w/o some of the repetitive cycle steps of rusting/boiling and carding involved.

Cold bluing I wouldn't consider doing a complete firearm with cold blue though I've seen some done by others that looked quite nice. I just use it for touch-up and occasional coloring of parts. It works very nicely there.

For rust bluing pistols I generally use an aluminum bread baking pan on the stove top as a boiling water tank. Most pistol parts fit in one, Revolvers as well but you generally have to have the bbl off of the frame. The latter is a safe way to do them as you won't have any weeping of oil from the bbl/frame joint that way to spoil the blue.
You can use aluminum or stainless steel for the tank in rust blue with no effect on the finish as it's only boiling water. Unlike hot salt bluing where the 2 metals are not usable as the main tank matr'l.

Slow rust blue or 'Express'/Quick rust blue,,take your pick. They each use their own special rusting solns though.

Here's a couple pics of the pre27 engraved and then rust blued in the above stovetop manner after engraving.

This one is 'Express Rust Blued' using Mark Lee's Express Rust Blue Soln.
You can see the small container of the soln and a brush in the second pic, I warm the parts for application of the soln with a propane torch. Just warm them,,not too hot!.


Coating of rust blue soln on the frame and bbl


Coating of soln on the rest of the parts.
It rusts immedietly (Express) and looks kind of mottled and uneven but thats OK.
Once boiled it turns black/dark blue. Then the metal is 'carded' with either a rotary wire brush (a very fine wire), or sometimes clean steel wool is used 0000 grade. They used to sell hand carding brushes of different sizes and shapes. I used those for many years before setting up a rotary wheel.


Bread pan on the stove. You can see some oil got in the mix somewhere and is floating on the surface. That water is going to have to be dumped after this cycle. To avoid that oil from contaminating the parts as they are lifted from the water, turn the heat way up to get a rolling boil to break up the oil slick. Then you have lessened the chance of oil dragging out on the part(s). Dump the water and clean the tank anyway, change the soln brush and the soln container (the bottle cap in this instance) as well. All sources of the contamination. Never draw your soln straight from the main bottle. You can contaminate that as well real quick and then that's no good to you as well. Always pour out a small amt into another cup, cap or bowl. It's better if you spill it as well as you are not spilling the whole big bottle of the stuff.
( The 'tin can' holds small parts, screws ect. the bottom is punched full of small holes so the water enters and drains. Makes handling those items easy and quick)



And the finished parts stuck together w/the grips on it
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If youre gonna spray, spray Cerakote. You'll like it.
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Rust Blue isn't difficult to do. It does take a lot of attention to detail though.

Plus it's time consuming when you add it all up.



Any of the paint coat finishes would be much easier and quicker I would imagine though I have never painted a gun myself.

Parkerizing in down the road much like rust bluing w/o some of the repetitive cycle steps of rusting/boiling and carding involved.



Cold bluing I wouldn't consider doing a complete firearm with cold blue though I've seen some done by others that looked quite nice. I just use it for touch-up and occasional coloring of parts. It works very nicely there.



For rust bluing pistols I generally use an aluminum bread baking pan on the stove top as a boiling water tank. Most pistol parts fit in one, Revolvers as well but you generally have to have the bbl off of the frame. The latter is a safe way to do them as you won't have any weeping of oil from the bbl/frame joint that way to spoil the blue.

You can use aluminum or stainless steel for the tank in rust blue with no effect on the finish as it's only boiling water. Unlike hot salt bluing where the 2 metals are not usable as the main tank matr'l.



Slow rust blue or 'Express'/Quick rust blue,,take your pick. They each use their own special rusting solns though.



Here's a couple pics of the pre27 engraved and then rust blued in the above stovetop manner after engraving.



This one is 'Express Rust Blued' using Mark Lee's Express Rust Blue Soln.

You can see the small container of the soln and a brush in the second pic, I warm the parts for application of the soln with a propane torch. Just warm them,,not too hot!.





Coating of rust blue soln on the frame and bbl





Coating of soln on the rest of the parts.

It rusts immedietly (Express) and looks kind of mottled and uneven but thats OK.

Once boiled it turns black/dark blue. Then the metal is 'carded' with either a rotary wire brush (a very fine wire), or sometimes clean steel wool is used 0000 grade. They used to sell hand carding brushes of different sizes and shapes. I used those for many years before setting up a rotary wheel.





Bread pan on the stove. You can see some oil got in the mix somewhere and is floating on the surface. That water is going to have to be dumped after this cycle. To avoid that oil from contaminating the parts as they are lifted from the water, turn the heat way up to get a rolling boil to break up the oil slick. Then you have lessened the chance of oil dragging out on the part(s). Dump the water and clean the tank anyway, change the soln brush and the soln container (the bottle cap in this instance) as well. All sources of the contamination. Never draw your soln straight from the main bottle. You can contaminate that as well real quick and then that's no good to you as well. Always pour out a small amt into another cup, cap or bowl. It's better if you spill it as well as you are not spilling the whole big bottle of the stuff.

( The 'tin can' holds small parts, screws ect. the bottom is punched full of small holes so the water enters and drains. Makes handling those items easy and quick)







And the finished parts stuck together w/the grips on it
Incredible work
Thank u so much for sharing it with us
Stay safe and warm out there
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One good finish that seems to have been forgotten is electroless nickel. I had it done on a gun 30+ years ago and it's held up very well. Brownell's has all the supplies and directions.
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Here's the thing. The gun has a Parkerized finish on it. But unfortunately the finish is very thin and wore through where you handle it. Now maybe my hands drip sulfuric acid but I don't have problems with my blued guns or the ones with other finishes (SIG Nitron and Glock Tennifer or whatever they call it. The slide finish is holding up fine but the frame is looking a little rough. So, I just want to do the frame.
I've thought about having it done at a shop. Lots of them in this area that I can drive to, so no shipping. Pros: Easier, professionally done. Cons:Price.
Spraying it at home. The air dry sprays seem alot less durable then the bake ons. So, bake on. Pros: Satisfaction of doing it yourself, noone but me to blame if it goes wrong. Cons: With the stuff I need to do the job right, price comes into play again.
Bluing. Rust bluing is doable but there are holes and nooks in a 1911 frame and carding it down would be difficult. Cold blue could be done to just the outside but probably wouldn't give me the results I'd be happy with.
I've thought about another option. Probably blows the budget out of the water, but the results speak for themselves. Does anybody know what Turnbull charges to color case harden the frame? Just a ballpark figure?
Thanks for the responses. If I ever get thru the analysis paralysis, I'll be sure to let you know and post pics.
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Parkerized or phosphated finishes can be corrosion resistant, the issue is that the finish is porous and absorbs whatever it contacts. With parkerized or phosphated finishes, you have to keep them well oiled.

For refinishing a parkerized or phospated firearm, KG GunKote is an excellent refinishing product. The prep work would be to thoroughly clean and strip all the oils from the parkerized or phospate finish before spraying the GunKote.
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