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Update: the FBI is going off the rails on a crazy train. Seriously, they have gone completely delusional, threatening to demand (I hear "take") the iOS source code: https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/fbi-threatens-to-demand-apple-s-secret-source-code-214832611.html

Incompetent, devious, or both. The county has publicly said the FBI directed them to reset the password, so do the math here. Given the fact that they've been wanting a backdoor for a long time, the password reset looks like a deliberate attempt to force the standoff with Apple.

At first I couldn't understand what you were saying, but I think it's because the moderator had to edit something out of your response. In answer to your first part, Ill try to rephrase my original statement: I'm not afraid of terrorists, but I am afraid of America turning into a police state...

The terrorists don't win when if we die, they win if we embrace fear, and they win if we sacrifice our freedom. Let's find a way to defeat them without losing who we are.

Apple is now saying a government employee reset the terrorits's iCloud password while the phone was in the possession of law enforcement, effectively ruling out the possibility of an automatic backup to the cloud. The phone hadn't been backed up to the cloud for a while before the attack, so...

This made me laugh out loud, but it's poignant. The phone belonged to the employer, so no way they used it for their operations. If this had been their personal phone, and it was found hidden away, then maybe there could be something of value on it. Here's something to chew on: What if the FBI...

I read today that indeed the previous phones that Apple opened were prior to the new iOS that has the security erase feature (10 tries and it erases the phone). It's also well known, though not publicly stated by Apple, that Apple instituted the security erase feature IN RESPONSE to the fact...

The FBI is pulling out all the stops. They are now floating the idea to the media of a third shooter. This has been deemed to have no credibility by the FBI themselves, but guess what - they're saying that because they can't access the contents of the couple's hard drive or iPhone, they'll never...

Interesting thoughts. Regarding Apple not being able to get in to their own product - It's like a safe manufacturer that builds the worlds strongest safe, markets it as such and is successful. Let's imagine it's made of a newly crafted alloy that once molded and cooled, it becomes hundreds of...

I'm sure Apple will comment and clarify. It's certainly possible that Apple sees what happened to VW as one of the biggest threats to its survival, so I'll be the first to admit there may be some self-preservation at work here to protect their own corporate communications.

I read that, too. I'm thinking these phones ran previous versions of iOS that didn't have the "erase iPhone after 10 failed attempts" feature or the phones in question didn't have that security measure activated (I believe it's turned off by default).

We know how likely the FBI thinks they will find important information on the phone by listening to how they are framing the discussion. The FBI is on record saying they want it opened to give closure to the victims of the attack. If the FBI thought they were going to find any high value...

Then Obama should coerce Apple by Executive Order the way Reagan took care of the air traffic controllers on strike. But Obama's not going to because even though we are at war, this phone is not strategically important.

In this discussion, maybe we need to separate legal obligations from moral ones. Does Apple have a moral obligation to help the FBI? What I would like everyone who answers "yes" to that question to consider is: Do you honestly think the FBI will find evidence on the phone that is worth the...

The FBI should have access to any information they are legally entitled to, including the information on this phone. What they are not entitled to is forcing a company to perform law enforcement work for them on their behalf. Did you see the part of the court order that says Apple must provide...

Sounds like we agree except for semantics. There is zero information Apple can retrieve from the phone without hacking the device.

Google came out in support of Apple today. Pretty sure this will end up before the SCOTUS in a few years, barring a new administration in the White House asks the FBI to drop the case. Putting on my tin foil hat and thinking the next target of a massive Sony-style hack from "North Korea" will...

But we're not talking about the rights of the dead terrorists, are we? We're talking about the fact that if Apple engineers a way to defeat their own security on he iPhone, that means that if mine's stolen (or lost and found by a criminal), they will have a way to access everything on my device...

This response is what the phrase "going off half-cocked" was meant for. Apple has cooperated up to but not past this point. I wish everyone thinking about this topic could realize the magnitude of what the judge "ordered" them to do. This is the kind of stuff that keeps me up at night - people...

With respect, some simple research (including reading this thread) would prove to you it's not that simple. The rest of what you said I agree with.