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    Safety Hammerless .38 S&W

    I got to my loading bench right away and made up 7 different loads using three different bullets plus some factory loads by "Precission Cartridge Co". I finally got to the range yesterday. I was surprised that the factory loads chronographed an average of 719 fps, I expected they would be way...
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    Has anyone heard this story?

    Shooting his horse must have gotten him busted because he was sergeant Tyree in "She Wore A Yellow Ribbon" but back to private Tyree in "Rio Grande". Ben Johnson played him in both roles.
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    Has anyone heard this story?

    I think I would agree with those troopers. A revolver which must be manually cocked or with a long double action trigger pull would be a lot safer to handle on a fractious horse compared to the "always cocked" auto pistol.
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    Safety Hammerless .38 S&W

    Here's the other side showing plating loss from the cylinder with what looks like a thumb print etched into the steel.
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    Safety Hammerless .38 S&W

    So maybe '94-'95? It's still older than I am though in better shape. LOL
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    Safety Hammerless .38 S&W

    If so I'd still have no complaint, I'm not a collector, I just like to handle and shoot old guns.
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    Safety Hammerless .38 S&W

    Yes, I have a bad habit of expecting a snubby to be accurate enough to head shoot bunnies at 25 yards. Occasionally I have actually gotten that kind of accuracy but it isn't reasonable to expect it, nor have I ever actually shot bunnies with any handgun. LOL
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    Safety Hammerless .38 S&W

    I got this little jewel off GunBroker for $330, which I thought was a pretty fair price. I seem to have a knack for acquiring odd serial numbers, this one is 66996 which I think places it about 1892 or '93. The bore and chambers are very good. I haven't fired it yet but it seems to function...
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    Has anyone heard this story?

    It's my understanding that troopers didn't like the recoil of the original .45 Colt load with the 255 grain bullet over 40 grains of black powder. The S&W load was a 230 grain bullet over 28 grains of BP and much easier to control. When the army briefly reissued the .45 Colt after becoming...
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    Has anyone heard this story?

    I recently heard that one of the Army's major complaints with the Scofield revolver was that sometimes, when trying to cock it the trooper would accidently pull the latch and dump his cartridges. I guess I can see how that could happen in the heat of the moment and wearing heavy gauntlets. I...
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    Top break latch?

    Interesting, actually the drawing I posted is from the Lyman Handbook 49th edition, which is the most recent. For some reason, likely my lack of technological expertise, I was not able to copy the drawing directly from the SAAMI site but the Lyman drawing was identical. My earlier Lyman books...
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    Top break latch?

    I said "Drawing not photo" because a specification drawing shows only dimensions which are specified. SAAMI does not specify an extraction groove ahead of the rim of any revolver cartridge. Whether or not you like it that is the current specification for .38 S&W cartridge. The bore of my .38...
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    Top break latch?

    It's a drawing, not a photograph, none of the revolver case drawings show a groove ahead of the rim, that is shown only on auto pistol cartridges. Even such as the .41 magnum which certainly was never loaded in balloon head cases. It is the current specification for the cartridge, visit the...
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    Top break latch?

    SAMMI cartridge specification as of present time.
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    Top break latch?

    BMur, sir, I think you are confused in regard to the transition from black to smokeless powders. It was not necessary to adapt the guns to lower the pressure of the new powder since ammo makers loaded the new powder to pressure levels safe in the existing guns. It would serve no purpose to...
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    Top break latch?

    I guess I don't understand why you say "there must be a difference". Most of our revolver cartridges and many rifle cartridges were originally loaded with black powder and smokeless powder loads were introduced for all of them. Even such outdated numbers as the .44 Henry rimfire were factory...
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    Top break latch?

    That's an interesting thought on the change of bullet diameter to afford a pressure reduction but I'm not sure it applies since the SAMMI specs for .38 S&W still specify a .361" bullet diameter and most other cartridges retain their original diameter. One pressure reduction practice I have...
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    Top break latch?

    Well that is a function of the latch design. The rotary motion around the hinge pin starts out as mostly upward motion, then arching forward. That is why a latch designed to hold the top strap down against the frame, like the Webley, the Scofield and some of the other early S&Ws will remain...
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    Top break latch?

    My original post was intended just to discuss the variations in the latch arrangement. It seems that in 50 years of production they went through 5 different latches and , from an engineering perspective, it would appear that the earlier latches would be the stronger and more durable. It seems...
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    SW Safety Hammerless 3rd Model

    While that is no match winner it was never meant to be one and it certainly is accurate enough for personal defense as intended. Many are surprised to learn that quite often the original black powder load was more powerful than the modern smokeless stuff.
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