US1
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It seems to me that most shooters want the hear/feel the reset on a trigger, yet S&W makes their M&Ps without it.
Does anyone know why?
Does anyone know why?
Why doesn't the M&P have a "felt" reset
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I would prefer the term pronounced reset most people don't feel it's necessary. The felt/audible reset thing I think was mainly from Glock owners who moved over to the M&P. If you want a felt reset get a RAM from APEX. What's more important to me is a very short reset. Over 90% of handguns don't have a pronounced reset. When you're shooting rapidly there's no way you will ever feel a reset anyway. It's main use would be for slow deliberate target shooting.
Beretta Dawg
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I think the no felt reset trigger references have to do with the older M&Ps. My Shield 9 has a very noticeable reset as has all of the full size and compact 9s that I have handled while shopping for my next. As I understand it, once the Shields came came out, all of the M&Ps transitioned to that type of trigger.
Rick_A
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I think if you're feeling for a reset, you're "doing it wrong." It's another unnecessary step that only slows you down. I find the loud snap on the trigger reset of some guns distracting.
MichiganScott
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My Smith & Wesson revolvers don't have a reset either except when the trigger is all the way forward.
What's your point?
What's your point?
I'm looking for a reset - I shoot mine just fine and I'm not looking to change anything.
I'm just wondering why an industry was built around this subject when the gun works like a dream out of the box.
I shoot 1911s (Single Stack USPSA), no reset, no problems.
As a matter of fact, when I used a Glock in Production (long time ago), I never waited to feel the reset or to hear an audible click to know when I needed to break the next shot - that was decided by my sight picture and everything else lined up in the process.
Thanks.
I'm just wondering why an industry was built around this subject when the gun works like a dream out of the box.
I shoot 1911s (Single Stack USPSA), no reset, no problems.
As a matter of fact, when I used a Glock in Production (long time ago), I never waited to feel the reset or to hear an audible click to know when I needed to break the next shot - that was decided by my sight picture and everything else lined up in the process.
Thanks.
Post 2013 M&P's have a notch on the trigger bar exactly the same as Gen 4 Glocks which gives a more pronounced reset. This has led to some Glock owners filing off the notch because it gives a heavier trigger pull. I believe the current CORE models still use the "H" stamped trigger bar because it doesn't have a notch and most owners will install an APEX RAM which is far superior to the notch.
Ofc.JL
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Yes, what the others said. Early M&P's did not have a very pronounced trigger reset. No one ever really needed a "reset" until Glock pistols came along and showed us a really hard reset. APEX did a bang up business selling their RAM trigger reset device. And it does work, as an LEO, I carry an early('09) .40FS all day. I installed a RAM and bingo, trigger reset. Much like a well tuned 1911.
Because of the little or no reset feel problem, and public opinion, when S&W started to design the Shield, they made sure that they engineered a reset into it. What they learned in that process, they re-visioned the newer M&P's with it's own version of the Shield trigger. You can tell if you have the newer trigger system on any M&P by looking inside the mag well and right on the trigger bar corner, closest to the trigger. New trigger system will have and "H" stamped into it. I do not know what they do to Mass. and Ca. compliant guns. Probably stiffer trigger bar return springs.
Anyway, if you don't have a newer M&P, and it does not have the 1911 style thumb safety, put an APEX RAM in it, and forget about it. The RAM will not fit the sear block on a thumb safety model M&P, although the sear housing can be replaced to accept the RAM, if you can find a spare sear housing.
There is another option for reset, but unless you are a pretty good pistol "wrench", I don't recommend the attempt. A person can reshape the trigger bar for a more distinctive reset, or put the newer "build up" slide stop in the pistol, and tune the trigger bar to work on it. And none of what I just spoke of is S&W accepted, so it's up to you on how you want to proceed. Sell your older pistol and get a new "H" model is the easiest. Good Luck.
Because of the little or no reset feel problem, and public opinion, when S&W started to design the Shield, they made sure that they engineered a reset into it. What they learned in that process, they re-visioned the newer M&P's with it's own version of the Shield trigger. You can tell if you have the newer trigger system on any M&P by looking inside the mag well and right on the trigger bar corner, closest to the trigger. New trigger system will have and "H" stamped into it. I do not know what they do to Mass. and Ca. compliant guns. Probably stiffer trigger bar return springs.
Anyway, if you don't have a newer M&P, and it does not have the 1911 style thumb safety, put an APEX RAM in it, and forget about it. The RAM will not fit the sear block on a thumb safety model M&P, although the sear housing can be replaced to accept the RAM, if you can find a spare sear housing.
There is another option for reset, but unless you are a pretty good pistol "wrench", I don't recommend the attempt. A person can reshape the trigger bar for a more distinctive reset, or put the newer "build up" slide stop in the pistol, and tune the trigger bar to work on it. And none of what I just spoke of is S&W accepted, so it's up to you on how you want to proceed. Sell your older pistol and get a new "H" model is the easiest. Good Luck.
S&W Fan
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My full size, made in April 2013, has a reset both with the stock arrangement as well as the Apex duty/carry kit it now has. My new Shield (bought a couple of weeks ago) also has the felt/audible reset-I'm putting the Apex duty/carry kit in it in the next day or two. Both are 9mm btw.
Bkreutz
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On another note why do a lot of people say why do I have to pay around $100.00 to get an APEX trigger but no one ever says why do I have to pay around $100.00 to get rid of my plastic sights on my Glock. Go figure
There are a number of reasons why people go to an Apex trigger, I'll list why I did it.
1. I hate the two piece stock S&W trigger, felt mushy from the start.
2. Shorten the pre and post travel of the trigger, this is accomplished with the forward set sear kit. It changes the geometry of the trigger mechanism.
Since I shoot competition exclusively, #2 is the most critical reason, but #1 was the reason I first changed mine. I still have a stock trigger in my CC compact, but I find that I have extra Apex triggers lying around for some reason so I might put one in the compact as well. And as far as the "reset" thing, I never feel it except dry firing, I'm too busy shooting when I'm doing live fire.
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RobzGuns
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LOL... Interesting... All my Glocks, the oldest being a Gen2 G19 bought new back in '89, have factory sights (and triggers).On another note why do a lot of people say why do I have to pay around $100.00 to get an APEX trigger but no one ever says why do I have to pay around $100.00 to get rid of my plastic sights on my Glock. Go figure
MSG Glenn
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I can hear & feel the reset on my 2 year old M&P40C when I listen for it. I don't listen for it. Never used it while shooting. I also have a full size M&P40 which is considerably older. No reset or so little I can't feel it.
I'll pretty much repeat what others have been saying already. I can feel and hear the trigger reset on my 40c. It is not as pronounced as the reset on my Glocks but I assure you...the only time you'll actually notice it is at home or in the gun shop.
I think the M&P triggers have a bad rap because of people switching from a different platform to the M&P. I was guilty of that too. The first time I dry fired one, I said: "no thanks, I'll stick to my Glock." What I have come to learn is that certain characteristics won't be noticed or given a second thought when you actually shoot one. I had the opportunity to finally shoot one several weeks ago. A few days after shooting it, I went to the gun shop asked to see one. I was actually surprised how good the trigger actually was, especially after reading several people complain about them. My prospective totally changed when I handled one in the shop after I fired it. I ended up buying it and plan on making it my new off duty carry and plan to buy more.
Sorry for the long-winded reply but after my experience with this issue, it's something interested in sharing.
I think the M&P triggers have a bad rap because of people switching from a different platform to the M&P. I was guilty of that too. The first time I dry fired one, I said: "no thanks, I'll stick to my Glock." What I have come to learn is that certain characteristics won't be noticed or given a second thought when you actually shoot one. I had the opportunity to finally shoot one several weeks ago. A few days after shooting it, I went to the gun shop asked to see one. I was actually surprised how good the trigger actually was, especially after reading several people complain about them. My prospective totally changed when I handled one in the shop after I fired it. I ended up buying it and plan on making it my new off duty carry and plan to buy more.
Sorry for the long-winded reply but after my experience with this issue, it's something interested in sharing.
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On another note why do a lot of people say why do I have to pay around $100.00 to get an APEX trigger but no one ever says why do I have to pay around $100.00 to get rid of my plastic sights on my Glock. Go figure
Because of you ever say anything negative about a Glock the fanboys will descend upon you with twice the wrath of a woman scorned lol
All kidding aside, I have pretty positive resets (felt) in both my shield and full size 9. My lc9s however has more of a revolver style trigger and I've short stroked it once or twice practicing double taps (which is why my shield goes for car rides and my lc9s stays in the kennel)
I have the first generation Galloway kit in my lc9. The trigger pull length is significantly reduced but the reset is still very long.
rsrocket1
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Nope, no longer an issue with Komifornistan. S&W decided not to renew their extortion to the state. Any changes to the gun meant it had to go through requalification to prove it is "safe" which meant the mythical microstamp had to be implemented so no more M&P full size guns available for retail sales behind the Cannabis Curtain.
Where lending a friend a normal capacity magazine is a felony, but stealing a gun or car worth $950 or less is a misdemeanor and makes our "neighborhoods and schools safe".
Ofc.JL
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Yep, I had forgotten about the "Left" coast being so absolutely anal retentive with it's less then common sense laws. This is what happens when Liberals run things. Absolute chaos, period.
And I applaud S&W for not playing the stupid "game" that Komifornistan requires. As I understand it, S&W would have to submit, I think, 50(?) pistols for testing. Absolutely insanely absurd! S&W told them to basically go pound sand. Armalite did the same, and voluntarily refuses to sells firearms to Komifornistan, period. LEO or not, no sales to California at all. Good for them.
And I applaud S&W for not playing the stupid "game" that Komifornistan requires. As I understand it, S&W would have to submit, I think, 50(?) pistols for testing. Absolutely insanely absurd! S&W told them to basically go pound sand. Armalite did the same, and voluntarily refuses to sells firearms to Komifornistan, period. LEO or not, no sales to California at all. Good for them.
Seven For Sure
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Seven For Sure
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REALLY?
I own somewhere between 15-20 S&W's, maybe more. Revolvers are for hunting, target shooting and having a good time with the exception of J frames. Kahrs are great shooting guns also and second to none in size for CC. The reset is too long. If you have not figured out to let out to reset on a short reset teigger than you are missing out. I can drain 34 rounds from any size 9mm Glock in less than six seconds. Try that with a revolver. Weak trigger springs SUCK. I want that trigger snapping back with force.
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I have three M&Ps made between 2008 and 2013. All have noticeable trigger reset. I fired an early 40 years ago , and while it did not seem to have a pronounced reset, I did not notice. It operated enough like the Glocks I was used to shooting to shoot well enough.
DMSC
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Well...though I know my Glock trigger has a very audible reset, I also know that I can't hear it when I'm firing the gun.
Using short reset to get quicker splits isn't about hearing or even feeling the trigger reset. It's all about shooting the gun enough to form the muscle memory required to get it right.
The differences between reset lengths across different platforms is one reason why some trainers/competitors advocate removing the trigger finger from contact with the trigger face for every shot.
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Using short reset to get quicker splits isn't about hearing or even feeling the trigger reset. It's all about shooting the gun enough to form the muscle memory required to get it right.
The differences between reset lengths across different platforms is one reason why some trainers/competitors advocate removing the trigger finger from contact with the trigger face for every shot.
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All guns are different and I am not defending a stock M&P but an APEX kit takes it to a whole different level. I have plenty of revolvers and Sigs and I would always to prefer to shoot them in SA. I don't like a long take up or a long reset. My M&P has been tuned perfectly for my needs even though the upgrades may be close to the original cost of the gun but that's the way it is. You can't expect a $500.00 gun to perform as well as a $1000.00 gun.
Saudade
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I put the newest slide lock in my fs and compact. Reset improved somewhat (more in my compact than my fs). It still stinks when compared to my PPQ.
However, out on the range (indoors) with all the noise, blast and other distractions, trying to shoot follow-ups at a moderate rate, I don't really notice the reset (or lack of one).
However, out on the range (indoors) with all the noise, blast and other distractions, trying to shoot follow-ups at a moderate rate, I don't really notice the reset (or lack of one).
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