Lack of CIVILITY?

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C'mon nurse Rachett...you're kidding right? :confused:

I read the postings in the 'Groupings' thread and nobody was calling anyone names or implying that anyone's grandmother was wearing Army boots....or anything even remotely offensive. :rolleyes:

It seemed like there was an exchange of opinions and nothing more. Just because one person wanted to make their point by making exaggerated claims does not mean there was a loss of civility.

If you thought anyone there was displaying an uncivil attitude I suggest you get out more......you're leading a sheltered life! I'd bet you'd hear more uncivil talk on your soap operas and your favorite sit-coms, and I'll bet you don't turn them off!

Heaven forbid there should be any differences of opinion here, it might lead to total anarchy where the mentally challenged are running the asylum. :rolleyes:


If this site continues to be censored like it's for 3rd graders then I'll spend my time elsewhere, where the skin of the moderator is considerably thicker. The last thing we need here is the thought police telling us that we are uncivil people, there's enough of that going on in Washington! :eek:
 
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It's not my skin. After logging in several complaints from several forum members pertaining to that thread, that was the decision that was reached.
 
I didn't read the original thread, and I didn't make a complaint.
In my opinion anytime you step on other's toes, it's time to say "Sorry, excuse me", and be a gentleman.
It is definitely not being a gentleman to insult the moderator and threaten to go elsewhere if you don't get your way.
 
Gunzilla said:
If you thought anyone there was displaying an uncivil attitude I suggest you get out more......you're leading a sheltered life! I'd bet you'd hear more uncivil talk on your soap operas and your favorite sit-coms, and I'll bet you don't turn them off!


If this site continues to be censored like it's for 3rd graders then I'll spend my time elsewhere, where the skin of the moderator is considerably thicker. The last thing we need here is the thought police telling us that we are uncivil people, there's enough of that going on in Washington! :eek:
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Hello Gunzilla,
You have 3 days to look around.
When you come back, take note of the "Moderator" below Barb's name.
That means she gets to moderate.
Flaming/insulting/condescending remarks to the Mods won't work out for you here.
All well covered in Terms of Service you agreed to.
 
Gunzilla said:
C'mon nurse Rachett...you're kidding right? :confused:
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Lol at nurse Rachett. This forum seems to have plenty of pink Locktite available. :p

Now there is a Google add for Nursing Degrees at the top of the page.
 
handejector said:
Care to clarify what you mean?
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Looks like you've got the whole situation well under control. And it also seems that some folks just can't help posting stupid things sometimes. The pink locktite one does seem to qualify.
Me, I like civility, and the way the moderators, (and owner), handle this site. Keep up the good work folks.
 
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I agree that the thread lock seems a little harsh. It is not at all clear why the thread was locked. By no means had the discussion got out of hand. In fact, I would say that a majority of the posts in that thread showed EXTREME restraint.

IMO it would have been a little more productive to have posted a public warning to the actual offenders, and maybe edit specific comments so that everyone understands what is and is not acceptable. That way, the thread could continue, allowing others to contribute.

If your looking to correct bad behavior, you should probably point out where the bad behavior is, so that everyone understands where the bar is set at. My 2 cents, FWIW, YMMV, etc.
 
Thomas_H said:
I agree that the thread lock seems a little harsh. It is not at all clear why the thread was locked. By no means had the discussion got out of hand. In fact, I would say that a majority of the posts in that thread showed EXTREME restraint.

IMO it would have been a little more productive to have posted a public warning to the actual offenders, and maybe edit specific comments so that everyone understands what is and is not acceptable. That way, the thread could continue, allowing others to contribute.

If your looking to correct bad behavior, you should probably point out where the bad behavior is, so that everyone understands where the bar is set at. My 2 cents, FWIW, YMMV, etc.
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The thread lock was an appropriate action. The thread had seriously deteriorated from an actual discussion. Yes the majority of the posts may have shown restraint but there was enough bad in it to justify a lock.

As to pointing out "where the bar is set at", I believe it already has been clarified in the rules. Not that grown ups should have to be told how to act. But sad to say many do. That's why there are rules in the first place.

And threats by a member to take their ball and go play somewhere else really isn't going to change anything.

And smartypants remarks to a mod sure want win you any favors on any forum. The guy got some time off to rethink his negative attitude. GOOD!! Maybe if it doesn't make him rethink his attitude it will prevent others from doing the same thing.

It's sad that threads have to ever be locked, but when people forget how to act that's what happens. Respect the mods and the owner of the forum. They are working to maintain the quality of the forum.
 
NKJ nut said:
As to pointing out "where the bar is set at", I believe it already has been clarified in the rules. Not that grown ups should have to be told how to act. But sad to say many do. That's why there are rules in the first place.
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I've reiewed the rules, and simply could not find any violation of the rules that occured. If the bar is to be set at a different level than the rules, then we should at least know what the actual offense was, so that it will not be repeated.

While the discussion was lively, it was by no means uncivil. So unless there was a different reason that the thread was locked that we are not hearing about, I simply disagree that it was justified.
 
Well good grief. I have to agree with Gunzilla here. He and I disagree on some things, but I love his input here. He's straight up and honest. I just love that about him. I have rethought things, more than once, because of Gunzilla's input.

On the other hand, there are 'the two guys', I argued with here in the 'M&P 15-22 groups' thread. One of them is prone to making sly inferences trying to provoke people, as a passive aggressive tactic, IMO. Now given the unjust PC behavior standards, so prevalent on the internet, that sort of thing pays off for Chatanoogaphil both here and elsewhere. So he is using it.

That is my unlawful opinion and I stand by it.

I do not need to be protected. I don't want to be protected. I only gave you a heads up, Lee, about "nooga's" tactics. It was not anything like a whiny "complaint". I just wanted you to see what he was doing. I can handle passive aggressive propagandists, and I can shrug off jerks who have problems with "pink loctite".

I hate being "protected". The whole PC thing is garbage. I live way out rural, beyond any "hope", of timely police help. I protect myself. I like it that way. I would rather live free, and less "secure", than be "safe" and "protected".

Dang it Lee. I am very disappointed. You would be lucky if Gunzilla comes back here.

PS

I was wrong to call it a tack driver. The 15-22 is accurate enough, and it is far more than just a cool looking plinker toy. I am right about nooga. Shame you can't see that Lee.


Goodbye Everybody. :)
 
Thiokol said:
Read rules 1, 2, & 3 here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/97203-read-rules.html. I think that questioning one's mental abilities qualify, don't you?
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With all due respect Mr. or Ms., Moderator. That was rather rude, condescending and overly authoritarian, of you.

Now that is just my unlawful opinion, and yet as a free woman, a child of God, it is both my God given right and civil duty to speak up against abuse and HYPOCRISY under guise of authority.

Our nation is in the terrible shape it is now in, our human dignity and hard won freedom being taken from us more each day, because too many people have been brainwashed to value "order" and "security" above all else.

No personal offense intended. It had to be said.


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PS

Not that I don't think Thomas is full of it sometimes. I sure do upon occasion, and I know the feeling is mutual. ;)
 
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Thiokol said:
Read rules 1, 2, & 3 here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/97203-read-rules.html. I think that questioning one's mental abilities qualify, don't you?
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First off, no I don't think it does if it's in the proper context. But if it's meant only to belittle or inflame, then yes, that would qualify. But, you'll have to forgive me. I have read the rules numerous times, and I still can't find where/who the problem is. Maybe I'm missing something. All I'm asking is that the inappropriate comment be pointed out so that it will not be repeated.

1. We ask that you conduct yourselves as ladies and gentlemen. Civil Discourse and Courteous Behavior shall be the norm.
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There are 130 posts in the thread in question, and I cannot find the one that violates this rule. Which one was it?


2. Remember- opinions will differ. Get over it. State your opinion calmly, and allow others to state theirs. Discussion will be fine, but there is no need to take a thread into a verbal fistfight or shouting match.
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I didn't see any shouting matches or verbal fist fights. Again, maybe I missed something. Please point out the offending post, so that we can all learn not to repeat it.

3. Do NOT descend into personal attacks on a member.
Naiveté, or viewpoints different from yours are no reason to call a member an idiot or moron.
If a poster is obnoxious, report him and ignore him.
Do not feed trolls.
NO LYNCHINGS or MUGGINGS.
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I didn't see any personal attacks. I didn't detect any trolls, feeding of trolls, Lynchings or Muggings. So again, I must have missed something. Please point out the post where this rule was broken.

I'm not trying to be difficult. I simply don't think it's appropriate that a whole discussion be locked up simply because it "might" descend into a un-civil discussion. It certainly wasn't there yet. If it had devolved to that and became irrecoverable, then by all means lock it up. No sense dooming a valid discussion to the archives when the source of the problem could have been nipped in the bud, corrective action taken, and allow the discussion to move on.
 
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Even if we consider the rules as subject to interpretation I think we should respect the decisions taken by Lee and Barb or any of the other mods. They are the ones responsible for keeping the forum running on an even keel and ensuring civility. let's respect that.

There isn't anyplace in the world where you can go and say anything you like without any regard for others. We simply must have rules or we would have chaos. And unfortunately (actually fortunately) we seldom get to only consider our standards as valid, and never in a room with thousands of people in it, which is exactly what this forum is.
 
I agree with Thomas. He is well spoken.

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I noticed that nooga did single me out, with a lot of subtly provocative one-liners addressed to me by name though, and I believe he did so to provoke me. In my opinion that is OK though. I notified Lee about it, and yet I did so only to show him what nooga was up to. I didn't want him silenced, banned, or sent on vacation. /end edit.


The above is merely my unlawful opinion.
 
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NKJ nut said:
Even if we consider the rules as subject to interpretation I think we should respect the decisions taken by Lee and Barb or any of the other mods. They are the ones responsible for keeping the forum running on an even keel and ensuring civility. let's respect that.

There isn't anyplace in the world where you can go and say anything you like without any regard for others. We simply must have rules or we would have chaos. And unfortunately (actually fortunately) we seldom get to only consider our standards as valid, and never in a room with thousands of people in it, which is exactly what this forum is.
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I agree, and I don't have a problem with moderation. If we follow the rules, then there's no need for a moderator to step in. It's my contention that the rules were followed, yet a moderator still stepped in. What I'm asking for is a clarification of the rules so that at the very least, this discussion has a productive result, and we can all move on.
 
NKJ nut said:
Even if we consider the rules as subject to interpretation I think we should respect the decisions taken by Lee and Barb or any of the other mods. They are the ones responsible for keeping the forum running on an even keel and ensuring civility. let's respect that.
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It's Lee's forum, and it's his call. That is true. Out of respect for him, as a fellow human being though, I beg him to rethink the whole "order" and PC thing though. I would hope, were I in Lee's shoes, that others would do the same for me.

NKJ nut said:
There isn't anyplace in the world where you can go and say anything you like without any regard for others.
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Not since the early 19th century anyway. You would have possibly been shocked :eek: even mortified, at the joyous unfettered freedom of speech, more than merely "tolerated" but even 'expected', in the early US of A perhaps. Oh, sad to my soul I must say, yet those time of deep promise have passed.

Regard for others, I believe in the context you use this term, has gone to foolish extremes these days. I hope I am not alone in this view.

NKJ nut said:
We simply must have rules or we would have chaos. And unfortunately (actually fortunately) we seldom get to only consider our standards as valid, and never in a room with thousands of people in it, which is exactly what this forum is.
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Well what can I, or anyone, say to that, and yet surely it is for such modern "sensibility" that we all stand in such great peril. Let private ownership and freedom of association and assembly stand, by all means, and yet I would hope, that order and "peace", would not be such a god among free men and women.
 
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Thomas_H said:
I agree that the thread lock seems a little harsh. It is not at all clear why the thread was locked. By no means had the discussion got out of hand. In fact, I would say that a majority of the posts in that thread showed EXTREME restraint.

IMO it would have been a little more productive to have posted a public warning to the actual offenders, and maybe edit specific comments so that everyone understands what is and is not acceptable. That way, the thread could continue, allowing others to contribute.

If your looking to correct bad behavior, you should probably point out where the bad behavior is, so that everyone understands where the bar is set at. My 2 cents, FWIW, YMMV, etc.
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Posting a warning in that thread would have done little good. Many of the players had been cautioned or warned via PM's or regular warnings. While it may have worked for a moment, it would soon have been buried among the other posts in that long thread.
The subject of groups, group sizes, accuracy, etc is not banned. Start another thread about it. That thread had simply run its course, and was likely to keep getting worse.


Thomas,
Had you stopped here, it would have been fine.
Lynn is contentious in that thread from her first post, implying that the people getting less than great groups can't shoot, and the race was on.
The Mods and I do not have to explain our actions. If you fail to see a violation, it does not mean we do not. Disparaging or condescending remarks were made.
You might also want to read the Terms of Service, using the link at bottom left of every page. They get a lot more detailed. We know few people will read them, so we made a simple set of posting rules that people might read.

So, "Ignoring or Balking at Moderation" is worth 3 days off.


Lynn said:
Well good grief. I have to agree with Gunzilla here.
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Lynn said:
Thiokol said:
Read rules 1, 2, & 3 here: http://smith-wessonforum.com/lounge/97203-read-rules.html. I think that questioning one's mental abilities qualify, don't you?
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With all due respect Mr. or Ms., Moderator. That was rather rude, condescending and overly authoritarian, of you.

Now that is just my unlawful opinion, and yet as a free woman, a child of God, it is both my God given right and civil duty to speak up against abuse and HYPOCRISY under guise of authority.
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Way over the line. There is no abuse or hypocrisy here. You are merely being asked to behave in a manner that I prescribe while in my house.

So, "Ignoring or Balking at Moderation" is worth 3 days off.
 
Lynn said:
... Not since the early 19th century anyway. You would have possibly been shocked :eek: even mortified, at the joyous unfettered freedom of speech, more than merely "tolerated" but even 'expected', in the early US of A perhaps. Oh, sad to my soul I must say, yet those time of deep promise have passed.
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You seem to have overlooked the fact that many men were killed after practicing their "joyus unfettered freedom of speech" in early 19th century US of A. It was not uncommon - or unlawful - for someone to be challenged to a duel to redress an insult - real or imagined.

A sitting US Vice President (Aaron Burr) shot and killed one of the greatest Americans ever born (Alexander Hamilton) in the early 19th century. Many duels were fought and many men injured and killed in duels after someone took offense to their speech.

So the fact is, IMO, then and now, there is no such thing as the "joyus unfettered freedom of speech". And just like Hamilton's words led to his duel with Burr, your words led to your duel with handejector.
 
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