I finally received my 15-22 back from S&W but it came back pure filthy. I knew that the tech guys had to replace the extractor and test fire it, and I even expected it to come back a little dirty. Oh boy! did it ever. My gun was really dirty inside and out. Almost as if it had been lying in a dust vat. Also, the paperwork stated that S&W "Replaced Mag."

Well they hadn't. Another member on here pointed out how their 1st Gen mags (I'm going to call them this right or wrong ) have 22 LR with 25 Round under them and the 2nd Gen mags have 22 LR only. All four I sent were the same (1st Gen), plus I number my mags usually somewhere inconspicuous.

I didn't want to post anything on here until I had actually shot at least 1,000 rounds or more through the gun after coming back from S&W.

After I received my 15-22 back, I called S&W. I ended up speaking with an extremely helpful and very pleasant lady named Kelly (last name withheld). She was very apologetic and even sent me two new 2nd Gen mags as well as giving me a made in the USA T-Shirt for my troubles.

I have since put 11 or 1,200 rounds through my 15-22 with ZERO FTF or FTE. I mean ZERO. I have a new outlook on this gun now. I love it. I have had pure unadulterated fun since it came back earlier this week. I just want to thank Kelly for going the extra mile with CS. They often get a bad rep and from me as well, but this time they came through on every issue for me.
Cheers

I am also 100% satisfied with my 15-22 after it came back

Glad to hear. With your posting and a couple others lately reference the magazine.... the light at the end of Mag-Snag-OOB Tunnel may be near.

I hope so,

Wait, so the 2nd Gen. just has the .22lr on it?

All 7 of my mags just have the 22lr, none say 25 round.

Do i have the 1st gen or the 2nd gen?
they all work 100%.

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1st gen, glad to hear they work

The other guy on this forum has his " new " mags that are updated as having 22lr with 25 rd underneath. You said the 2nd gen mags had 22lr on them. Which ones are the good working updated version?

rip, that was your article about the 22lr 25 rd new mags. Do they work better or not?

I need to talk to Kelly. I didn't get such a warm fuzzy CS feeling from S&W when I called. However, glad to hear you got the CS that everyone should be getting.

Someone posted Kelly's # here in the past. I talked with her twice and it seems like she is the only one at S&W that knows anything. Just found it. Kelly at 1-800-331-0852 ext. 3766

I am assuming that all of the 2nd Gen have 22 LR only and not the 22 LR with 25 ROUND underneath. On S&W website, the pictures are of the mags with 22 LR only.

I purchased my gun in early October 2009 and the mags were 22 LR 25 ROUND underneath. The mags sent as a courtesy have 22 LR only. All 6 perform perfectly now.

I think ChattanoogaPhil has a 15-22 very similar to mine that starts with DTHXXXX and he has had no problems. Other than the extractor and me adjusting one magazine the gun is perfect now.

Phil what does the original mag have on it? 22 LR only or ..?
I still think 22 LR is 2nd gen and 22 LR 25 ROUND below was 1st Gen, but please correct me if I am wrong.

The bottom of the mag has no markings. On the right side of the mag above the S&W logo is marked "22 LR". Yes, I have a DTH series.

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Oooops. Forgot pic of bottom mag

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O.k now I'm officially confused. I have dth series with 22lr only marked on it. Which is it! rip 3000's post said the opposite.

The 25 rd mag on the other mag is posted rt under 22lr.

I can only tell you what I got. Didn't someone post pics with a blue follower sitting up a lot higher when the mag was empty than one with a red follower? Somewhere underneath all the gunk on mine is the color red... somewhere...

That post was talking about a 10 rd mag. This is the post i'm talking about that makes me think I have the 1st gen magshttp://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-long-guns/120458-new-25-round-15-22-magazine.html He clearly says that the new mag is on the left with 22lr and 25 rd mag under it.

Yes, there does seem to be a little confusion here. I have NEVER seen a mag with 25 round on it, other than that pic.

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Just a thought. Maybe S&W's original intent was to produce a short 10 round mag but then scraped the idea. Now they are sending out 25 round mags limited to 10 rounds via a pin.

They have decided to use one mag size for both applications. It stands to reason that a pinned 10 round mag should not say 25 rounds on it. Maybe they dropped the 25 rounds wording when they dropped the short mag idea.

LTC

Yeah but, like i said, Ive been shootin this thing for a while now and have never seen the "25 round" mag.

What IMHO, would make more sence is if they decided to ADD 25 rnd to the mag to make it "easier" to tell the 25 nd 10 apart.

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I can agree with that logic.

LTC

You make a valid point. I guess, because of the blue follower, that is not something I had considered.

I have not had one problem yet with the new one that has "25 ROUND" printed on the side.

I am still getting a few mag snags with the old ones.

ok so to clear this up a bit.

Before I had the OOB I had 4 old mags. I sent one with my gun to smith to have the gun fixed.

When the gun came back the spec sheet said "replaced magazine" and I got the new magazine.

the old mags still have mag snag issues where the bullet gets stuck standing up in the mag and the bullet gets dented by the bolt.

the new mag has had NO problems.

pictures show the difference in the mags.

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The magazine that came with my rifle only has ".22 LR" on it. The other 4 magazines that I picked up at the same time have the same thing. My rifle has a DTB serial. I've had zero FTF's, FTE's or misfires in over 3000 rounds except for the one excepting that bounced off my thumb that was blocking the ejection port. I only run Federal/AE 40 grn solids, Federal 36 grn hp, and mini mags.

That sounds good. I'm wondering how old is old cuz mine are pretty beat up and look to have an even deeper cut into the mag than 4mm of yours. Maybe the depth difference is from wear rather than new design?

Sorry for the poor pic. I have never cleaned mine so there isn't much red to see. I picked at the follower with my finger nail a bit though. That's as good as it gets.

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I am still a bit confused as to which version is 1st or 2nd Gen. Valid points have been made by many. I attached a picture of two of my mags.

The mag on the left is (I call it 1st Gen) what came with my DTHxxxx 15-22 in early October 2009. I also ordered 3 additional mags from S&W at the same time. I waited 3 or 4 weeks and they arrived. I then had 4 mags that all appear just as the picture shows on the left; 22 LR with 25 ROUND underneath.

The earliest anyone could purchase a 15-22 here locally was Oct. 2009. I was one of the first to buy. I only received the 2 complimentary mags with 22 LR only on them after my rifle went in for extractor repair.

All mags work fine now, but I didn't even know there was a difference until I received the two complimentary ones. Phil has a DTHxxxx and he states his has 22 LR only; so it beats me which is 1st or 2nd gen I am just glad everything works fine now.

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I'd like to make sure we're comparing two UNUSED mags. One stamped 22lr and the other 22lr 25rd. I wonder if it is wear that Rip is measuring 3mm/4mm and maybe not a design change. I dunknow...

it does not look like wear to me.

10-4. Mine are probably just wallowed out from abuse.

The pictures don't appear to be wear. What i'm more concerned w/ is the angle of the top round on the 22lr 25 rd mag. That could be huge

that is what I tried saying here http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-w...ml#post1280259

I've been lamenting about the round not fully lifting into position in the mag for months. With a dozen rounds in the mag, I pull down abuot one round height on ALAB and let back up. Sometimes the top round doesn't fully lift. But your pics are with a round hanging half way out of the magazine.

Load em both up with a dozen or so rounds and see if there is really any difference in lift and angle between the two mags. I'd be interested to know.

Yeah, Rip could you post some picks with the mag loaded up some? I think that would truly help. Or anybody else that has these 2 different labled mags. To me it would make sense that the NEW mags would be labled 25 rd because the ca compliant version came out 2nd and that way they could tell the difference.

Hear ya go sorry it took so long,

When I took the pictures this time I kept the bullet as far back as it could go and where it would normally be when you would go to load the mag into the gun.

As you can clearly see the bullet is sitting at a higher angle with the new mag(22LR 22 round).

I took the mags apart and looked at the orange followers and they are exactly the same.

The only thing that would make this difference would then have to be the black housing of the mag. So I started the tear down of the mags and started looking around.

The pictures are not very god but it should be good enough to see that there is a difference in the top of the tracks where the bullet slides. I tried outlining the differences. The green outline shows a raised sections and the orange shows indented sections. The green outline is the track that the bullets follow when sliding up and down.

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Good stuff thanks again

I guess we had the right idea months ago... it's just that my dremmel could only remove material... not add it. Thanks for the pics.

On Candyman"s pic, did anyone else notice the posible difference in the spring? Look at the spring where it goes around the follower and compare it to the ohter as you move down, one on the right looks spaced wider than the left.