touge_ninja
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What kind of supressors does everyone use? And which one is the best with limited noise output?
Sorry for the noob question.
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Kayback
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It all depends. You can get some very high end ones capable of running 5.56mm on full auto, or you can get some slightly less expensive models.
I personally use a custom made one, but that was so the finish matched the pistol it was made for. I just deal with it on the rifle.
SureFire suppressors are meant to be great, and you can get some neat small cans for larger bore rifles.
Gemtech used to be the gold standard at one time, and they make a couple of VERY good .22LR specific suppressors like the Outback and the new G5-22. The G5-22 is specifically made to "fit" on on .22 AR's without looking out of place. Many .22 specific suppressors are "visually" too small for the AR platform, they just look wrong.
AAC seems to be the way to go these days.
I personally use a custom made one, but that was so the finish matched the pistol it was made for. I just deal with it on the rifle.
SureFire suppressors are meant to be great, and you can get some neat small cans for larger bore rifles.
Gemtech used to be the gold standard at one time, and they make a couple of VERY good .22LR specific suppressors like the Outback and the new G5-22. The G5-22 is specifically made to "fit" on on .22 AR's without looking out of place. Many .22 specific suppressors are "visually" too small for the AR platform, they just look wrong.
AAC seems to be the way to go these days.
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I have had quite a few 22 cans and I recommend the stainless steel Silencerco Sparrow or SWR Spectre II. Those are 2 of the 4 best .22 suppressors. These 2 companies (which have recently merged) have THE BEST customer service. They are also the easiest of the bunch to clean.
One thing you should know about .22 LR cans is they fill with lead fast. This 1st gen SWR Spectre only had 1000 rounds through it. after 1500 rounds, it would be impossible to take it apart to be cleaned without sending to the Mfger or submerging it in 'The Dip" for 24 hrs.
You should only get a .22 LR suppressor that can be taken apart and cleaned. Some of the best suppressors are not easily taken apart and cleaned or the have aluminum baffles that restrict your cleaning options. I prefer suppressors with stainless steel baffles or cores. SS is much more strong and chemical resistant and allows more options for cleaning them. Suppressors with SS thread mounts are less likely to get damaged than aluminum.
One thing is for sure. Once you shoot your .22 host suppressed, you will never want to shoot it without a can. It's a pleasure.
One thing you should know about .22 LR cans is they fill with lead fast. This 1st gen SWR Spectre only had 1000 rounds through it. after 1500 rounds, it would be impossible to take it apart to be cleaned without sending to the Mfger or submerging it in 'The Dip" for 24 hrs.
You should only get a .22 LR suppressor that can be taken apart and cleaned. Some of the best suppressors are not easily taken apart and cleaned or the have aluminum baffles that restrict your cleaning options. I prefer suppressors with stainless steel baffles or cores. SS is much more strong and chemical resistant and allows more options for cleaning them. Suppressors with SS thread mounts are less likely to get damaged than aluminum.
One thing is for sure. Once you shoot your .22 host suppressed, you will never want to shoot it without a can. It's a pleasure.
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ive also been looking into them and have read lots of good things about the sparrow as well as aac. i was actually thinking about innovative arms integral supressor, but for about the same cost, i can SBR the 15-22 separately and get a removable unit in case i ever get another .22. thats just the look i prefer over the extra length of a regular supressor.
kayback - thanks for pointing out the g5-22. i switched to a 1 3/8" diameter tacticool shroud because i disliked how "thin" most shrouds/supressors look.
kayback - thanks for pointing out the g5-22. i switched to a 1 3/8" diameter tacticool shroud because i disliked how "thin" most shrouds/supressors look.
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touge_ninja
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Thanks for the info. So gemtechs arent as good as they used to be or something? I was thinking of picking up an Outback 2.
Kayback
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No no the Gemtech's are still fantastic, but other brands have made amazing advances and caught up, sometimes for less money.
I second the take-down for cleaning aspect. My custom job is a one piece unit, which means cleaning it is a female dog. It is steel, which is useful, but in all honesty it is a mission to clean. Aluminium does not survive sonic cleaners.
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I second the take-down for cleaning aspect. My custom job is a one piece unit, which means cleaning it is a female dog. It is steel, which is useful, but in all honesty it is a mission to clean. Aluminium does not survive sonic cleaners.
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rraisley
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Does this only happen if shooting all lead rounds, or with plated rounds as well? I realize the plating is thin (and not jacketed), but was curious.
Your photo certainly makes it clear that you need to disassemble to clean!
lucky guy!
RedBaronRX7
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touge_ninja
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Yeah why no AAC?
RedBaronRX7
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My vote goes to AAC Prodigy.
Watch this video comparing 3 AAC vs. a SilencerCo Sparrow.
Suppressor and Silencer Videos | Silencer Shop
Watch this video comparing 3 AAC vs. a SilencerCo Sparrow.
Suppressor and Silencer Videos | Silencer Shop
rraisley
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Which video is that? I don't see one whose title mentions comparing these two, just separate videos for each.
Interesting about the sound comparison on subsonic and supersonic, both with and without a suppressor, but I would think it would be a lot different on a semi-auto like the 15-22 than on a bolt action rifle, where /everything/ has to go through the suppressor.
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When I was looking for a rimfire can a couple years ago I did some reading and found an endless amount of hype. This can.. that can... blah blah blah.
Here's my blah blah blah...
On your 15-22 any rimfire can will be very quiet. What you will hear is your bolt banging back and forth. You'll hear more of a difference between cans when mounted on a pistol or SBR.
Yes, you can get a larger diameter can than the typical 1'' if you want it to look more proportional to that of an AR. However, be aware that a larger than 1'' diameter will likely interfere with pistol sights.
A larger diameter (such as a 1.25') has a ton more volume than the same length 1'' can (about 50% more). With cans volume matters. You'll notice with large volume cans there won't be much a first round pop with pistols. Smaller volume cans, such as the very popular Sparrow, has a nasty first round pop. This can be mitigated by wetting the can.... nevertheless, it's something to consider.
Cleaning. You'll hear 99% of folks say how important it is to have a take apart can for cleaning (big plus for Sparrow with clamshell design). I say not for me. I've got enough stuff to clean. I bought a non user serviceable can, YHM Wraith. I sent it back to YHM for service after about 25k rounds (recommended service is 50k). It cost me less than $20 to FedEx ground to YHM. They cleaned it and sent it back free of charge. Now compare that to cleaning the danged thing every 500-1000 rounds, fooling around with all sorts of cleaning concoctions and scrapping and grinding. No thanks. It will likely need a new baffle (aluminum baffle) at 50k rounds which will cost $100. Let's see... 50,000 rounds of CCI SV cost about $2,500 + tax. I can shoot it all for an extra $100 and not bother with the cleaning... works for me. The can does gets heavier. About 2 ounces heavier at 25k rounds, which puts it real close to what the Sparrow weighs brand new clean. // YHM Wraith is a larger diameter can at 1.25''. Near zero first round pop and very quiet low tone. I use it on my pistols with a 1x red dot.
What is best can? I think the best advice you can get is to do research and buy the can you really want the most regardless of price. Don't get a can just because it's a $150 less than the one you really want. You have to pay $200 for a tax stamp and wait 6-7 months, so make it worth it!
Here's my blah blah blah...
On your 15-22 any rimfire can will be very quiet. What you will hear is your bolt banging back and forth. You'll hear more of a difference between cans when mounted on a pistol or SBR.
Yes, you can get a larger diameter can than the typical 1'' if you want it to look more proportional to that of an AR. However, be aware that a larger than 1'' diameter will likely interfere with pistol sights.
A larger diameter (such as a 1.25') has a ton more volume than the same length 1'' can (about 50% more). With cans volume matters. You'll notice with large volume cans there won't be much a first round pop with pistols. Smaller volume cans, such as the very popular Sparrow, has a nasty first round pop. This can be mitigated by wetting the can.... nevertheless, it's something to consider.
Cleaning. You'll hear 99% of folks say how important it is to have a take apart can for cleaning (big plus for Sparrow with clamshell design). I say not for me. I've got enough stuff to clean. I bought a non user serviceable can, YHM Wraith. I sent it back to YHM for service after about 25k rounds (recommended service is 50k). It cost me less than $20 to FedEx ground to YHM. They cleaned it and sent it back free of charge. Now compare that to cleaning the danged thing every 500-1000 rounds, fooling around with all sorts of cleaning concoctions and scrapping and grinding. No thanks. It will likely need a new baffle (aluminum baffle) at 50k rounds which will cost $100. Let's see... 50,000 rounds of CCI SV cost about $2,500 + tax. I can shoot it all for an extra $100 and not bother with the cleaning... works for me. The can does gets heavier. About 2 ounces heavier at 25k rounds, which puts it real close to what the Sparrow weighs brand new clean. // YHM Wraith is a larger diameter can at 1.25''. Near zero first round pop and very quiet low tone. I use it on my pistols with a 1x red dot.
What is best can? I think the best advice you can get is to do research and buy the can you really want the most regardless of price. Don't get a can just because it's a $150 less than the one you really want. You have to pay $200 for a tax stamp and wait 6-7 months, so make it worth it!
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The upgraded core for the AAC Prodigy is a great sounding can but it's still an aluminum mono core. It is difficult to get apart once it fills with lead and its cleaning options are limited. The Element is SS and Ti with K baffles which are also hard to get apart once filled but at least they are more durable to clean. If I purchased an AAC product for a .22, it would be their Element, if I could get pass the fact it looks like a sewer pipe.
Gemtech is a good company. Phil Dater is an authority on suppressors and is also a great guy. He does not own the company anymore but works in their custom shop. I have experienced his CS and he is very fair. They had a limited run of their Alpine in SS a while back with easy-to-clean M baffles. I almost got that one or the G5-22 if it came thinner SS baffles.
SWR/Silencerco CS is #1. Henry, Matt, Josh, Mike and Garry are very driven to produce the best quality CS, products, industry, commercial, and political relationships. I would not be surprised if they change the industry and eventually get suppressors pulled from the registry within 5 yrs.
I've had multiple experiences with them and their CS. I had the Spectre, Trident, HEMSII, SS Sparrow and Osprey. I put 60K through my Spectre I. I never scrubbed the thing. I just took it apart, threw it in "The Dip" over night, and wiped off the baffles. You can do that with a SS or Ti can, not with carbon steel or aluminum.
Another great company is Liberty Suppressors. I've had David work on several unique projects. Their Kodiac, Kodiac TL or Essence are amazing. They have the lowest blow back of the bunch. They are great for suppression, materials and will leave the action and mags the cleanest out of all the choices. The are also SS mono cores and can be difficult to remove but Liberty gives free tools to help. If you want one of the most versatile cans around, look at their Mystic. It handles everything.
I've also done T&E for Thompson Machine. Richard and Brooks have great service and products for their budget price point. If you want an aluminum can, I recommend them highly.
Remember a silencers has little to no resale value and they are a pain to get. Get an heirloom quality one. Get the best quality one you can afford.
I'm not a rich guy. As long as suppressors are tittle II, I can't afford to throw cash away on disposable suppressors. I would like my suppressors to save the hearing of my grand kids one day.
I'm no expert, I just have over 20 stamps and my 10 yrs experience to share. I hope it helps. YMMV.
Gemtech is a good company. Phil Dater is an authority on suppressors and is also a great guy. He does not own the company anymore but works in their custom shop. I have experienced his CS and he is very fair. They had a limited run of their Alpine in SS a while back with easy-to-clean M baffles. I almost got that one or the G5-22 if it came thinner SS baffles.
SWR/Silencerco CS is #1. Henry, Matt, Josh, Mike and Garry are very driven to produce the best quality CS, products, industry, commercial, and political relationships. I would not be surprised if they change the industry and eventually get suppressors pulled from the registry within 5 yrs.
I've had multiple experiences with them and their CS. I had the Spectre, Trident, HEMSII, SS Sparrow and Osprey. I put 60K through my Spectre I. I never scrubbed the thing. I just took it apart, threw it in "The Dip" over night, and wiped off the baffles. You can do that with a SS or Ti can, not with carbon steel or aluminum.
Another great company is Liberty Suppressors. I've had David work on several unique projects. Their Kodiac, Kodiac TL or Essence are amazing. They have the lowest blow back of the bunch. They are great for suppression, materials and will leave the action and mags the cleanest out of all the choices. The are also SS mono cores and can be difficult to remove but Liberty gives free tools to help. If you want one of the most versatile cans around, look at their Mystic. It handles everything.
I've also done T&E for Thompson Machine. Richard and Brooks have great service and products for their budget price point. If you want an aluminum can, I recommend them highly.
Remember a silencers has little to no resale value and they are a pain to get. Get an heirloom quality one. Get the best quality one you can afford.
I'm not a rich guy. As long as suppressors are tittle II, I can't afford to throw cash away on disposable suppressors. I would like my suppressors to save the hearing of my grand kids one day.
I'm no expert, I just have over 20 stamps and my 10 yrs experience to share. I hope it helps. YMMV.
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Have you ever heard any bad things? If so, let's hear them. Otherwise, you shouldn't bad mouth a product you have no direct experience with. I own and use several different AAC cans. My most prized and quietest is my Phoenix. It's the integrally suppressed Ruger MkII stainless pistol. I also am a fan of the Prodigy. The initial design sucked and wasn't very quiet, but they re-designed the baffle stack and replaced it free of charge and now it'll even handle full auto and it is on par with the Pilot and it's user friendly. The Ruger is pellet gun quiet and the Walther is pretty close in sound and accuracy. At suppressor shoots most people ask, "What is that?" when I'm shooting the Ruger. There may be others that are more efficient, but I haven't heard them yet. Here's a couple of old pics.
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RedBaronRX7
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Sorry, it's the one with subjective title.
Here it is the subjective comparison of 3 different AAC rimfire suppressors and the Sparrow.
Subjective .22 Suppressor Testing - YouTube
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