My wife isn't happy about me wanting to spend five hundred on a .22. So she made me compromise my want of a 15.22, for a Mossberg .22. Not too happy, but atleast I get a 15 style .22 I guess. I'm sorry guys, I know it's disheartening to hear someone going for the Mossberg knockoff, but what can I do, atheist I get a 15 style .22.

My buddy has the mossberg. Its ok, def like my 15-22 better..his magazines mechanism sucks though!

Use your own money and do what you want. Terrible thing to live on your knees.

I am curious to how the Mossberg holds up I looked at one of them. The price on them really cant be beat.

Nah... bought one in a spur of the moment thing... week and a half later saw the 15-22 and traded it in on the 15-22..
Hey Hotroder... trade up like I did.... you won't regret it...

i was in the same boat, ended up with the 715t carry handle junk. first time out it had major fail to feed issues. by the third mag, it was basically a single shot. i got excited if i got 3 rounds off in a row. sent it back, on mossberg's dime after fighting with them that they were paying to fix and ship it. while talking with them before sending it back, i mentioned how i could not get it sighted because it shot low, about 3" at 30 yrds low. the front sight is non adjustable and the rear needs raised to raise the point of impact. i had more adjustment on the sight, but the carry handle came into view and blocked the front sight from view all together. i asked if i could buy the flat top shell(it is basically the 702 model with just 2 pieces of plastic bolted on to it). they said no, not possible.

after waiting 3 weeks for a shipping label it went back. i also included a note stating all of my issues and the wish to buy the flat top shell, as well as the original mag and the extra i had purchased. they "fed exed" it to me exactly a week after the received it. i was told the replaced the trigger housing assembly. i opened up the box and there were 3 mags and a flat top shell on my gun.

i was happier than a pig in poo until i fired it. each mag would have a fail to eject at least 6 times out every 25 rounds. the original mag and the freebie were def. worse averaging 10-15 fte per loading.

i again contacted mossberg by email this time(working ot could not call them) and got a reply 5 days later. i replied back, with more questions. i have yet to receive a reply, and that was from october.

i sent the gun back again, they received it the day after thanksgiving and i got it back 2 weeks later. it seems to work well now, although i have only been able to get another 150 rounds through it since, but there has been no fail to feeds and only 3 fail to ejects.

i had plans to sell it and get the smith instead just because of the lifetime warranty as opposed to the remainder of the one year warranty on the mossy, but the wife has nixed that. after all of that, i am happy with the gun, it is fun to shoot, and pretty accurate. i could do it all over again, i would get the s&w.

my friend also has one...after a trip back to the factory to fix a cycling issue(fail to feed i believe), he has quite a few thousand rounds through it since last april...no issues now according to him.

Time for a divorce

Don't worry, The marks from being whipped will heal.
And get the M&P 15-22 for sure

I have both. Bought te Mossy on a whim as a sort of compromise. Even though it was cheap and even though I ended up with the 15-22, I still regret buying the Mossy. Had I done the research, I would've seen how many people are having reliability issues and what a pain in the rear it is to strip it and clean it. I don't even think of it as being in the same class as the 15-22. I wish I still had that money so I could've bought ammo. For the same price I could've had over 5k rounds stored up right now. Don't buy the Mossy. Save. Beg, borrow, steal, trade, sell something. Whatever you gotta do to get a 15-22. It has no equal

I have a skewed way of looking at this I guess, but my logic is sound (to me). If the 15-22 is, let's say $525 and the Mossberg is $275, the the real cost of a 15-22 is $250, the difference between the two. The only way it isn't, is if you have an option for less than the $275.

Here's where I'm coming from---I live in the South, not as deep south as the Louisiana bayous, but it get hot and humid here. Last summer I had a friend complaining about an electric bill during the hottest part of the summer because it was $150 and his thermostat was set at a balmy 79 degrees. I asked why he didn't turn the temp down to a more comfortable level, he said it was because of the cost. But my house, which is actually just a bit larger and of similar construction was a comfortable 72 degrees and my electric bill was $185. He paid $150 to be miserable when for another $35 (or less) he could have been comfortable. By my way of thinking, my friend didn't save $35, he wasted $150. You can be miserable without A/C at all.

The moral of the story is this---save the money you were going to spend on a knock-off, combine it with the money you get from pawning your wife's engagement ring and buy the 15-22. :-D

personally, if i couldn't have gotten the 15-22, i would have gotten the ruger 10/22. the 10/22s are inexpensive, have a great reputation, a large aftermarket and can easily be customized to the user's preference. there are many tactical-style stocks available if you want to go that direction. it is really cool what you can do with them... if you get tired of one look, buy a different style stock and you have a whole new rifle. (i was going to go with the m1 carbine look) http://www.eabco.com/m1_carbine_ruger_1022_tribute.htm

i have never seen a mossberg in person, but from what i have heard about it, i wouldn't want one. it doesn't seem worth it just to be able to own a "15 style .22".... plus, somehow they just don't look right to me.

if i HAD to have a .22 AR other than my 15-22, i would buy a dedicated .22 upper and throw it on my AR lower.

my 2 cents of course.

a bit pricey, but red jacket even came out with a bullpup stock for the 10/22. not something to get right away, but like i was saying, if and when you get tired of the configuration you have, just swap out the stock and you have a completely different rifle.
Red Jacket Firearm's ZK-22 Full Production Version from Bullpup Shoot 2012 - YouTube

it really was a hard decision for me choosing between the 15-22 and 10/22. that being said, i really do love the 15-22. if there is any way you can talk your wife into letting you get the 15-22, i am quite confident you will love it.

Don't have that trouble with my wife. We split ALL the bills first,then some goes into savings and we each get an allowance out of our own paycheck. OT is who ever earns it. So,what ever she wants she gets and same in return. NO questions asked or BS about what it is.

I got my boy a 15/22 this summer.
I thought he would like it more that a 10/22 because it looked like the guns in his games.
When we went shooting with my friend and his son who has a 10/22 all of us enjoyed both guns equally.
I see the 10/22 as a very nice alternative.

hand it over...

Go with a Ruger 10/22. Much better than the Mossberg in my opinion. I think the basic 10/22 goes for about $219.00

LOL, it's time to hike up your britches, buy what you want, and to hell with the consequences.....Oh....You may pay dearly for it but at least she'll know your guns are your business.

It'll blow over right after you pay for that little something she wants! The way I figure it the gun will run you a thousand after you factor in her gift...

This is one of those marriage defining moments....a choose your battles indoctrination of sorts. Good Luck!! Keep us updated....that is if your wireless works from the (garage, basement, car etc.)

Not every purchase in life should center around PRICE, it's so true about most any product you buy.

Quality and function should be your primary considerations.....wife, or no wife. Can you tell that I'm divorced? She was 'about 'cheap' and I was about 'quality'.....it was destined to fail!!!

This is about the time where you need some serious sales skills by pointing out that eventually the Mossberg will not suit your needs and it's better to buy right the first time than to be forced to upgrade later.....putting you deeper in the hole.

Good Luck!


BTW, next time she wants to buy a new pair of shoes tell her to consult with you before making her purchase....then wait for her objections....then point out that you should have some say in what pair she buys.........that should settle any future arguments about your choices.

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all ribbing aside, why the whipping for having respect for his wife?

in our case, she just validated the points i already had in mind. those points are:
1. it's a .22, $500 for a .22 is ridiculous.
2. at the time i could have bought a real one for a few hundred more.
3. i was buying it for something cheap and fun to shoot. twice the price is not cheap.
4. i ordered it 2 weeks after our printshop laid off half of it's workforce. who knows how long i will have a job there and jobs are scarce on our area, with none being anywhere near what i earn.

#1 and #4 was the biggest deciding factors...

I have nothing but disdain for the Ruger 10/22. I have owned four, none would feed an entire magazine without some sort of failure. Of the four, the HB target version was the most accurate but it was basically a single shot rifle. I sold that gun to a friend who sent it off to CPC, some $600.00 later it is as reliable as a Marlin 60.

I bought my son a GSG5 semi auto when they first came out. It runs like a Singer sewing machine. It is accurate and reliable with all types of ammo.

Marlin Mdl 60s, are reliable, fun to shoot, not picky about ammo, accurate and you can buy a couple of them for what the 15-22 costs, and have a few buck left over to buy ammo. For a couple of hundred more, a few weeks ago, you could have bought a real AR platform rifle/carbine.

Same for Remington Nylon 66's and the clones (CBC). Sold my Remington Model 60 and my CBC Nylon 60 when I bought my 15-22 and got a fair price out of both! The Model 60 was relatively new since I don't like wood furniture, but my Nylon66 had many tens of thousands of rounds through it

To the OP, you did the right thing. A happy wife is a happy life. I definitely wouldn't waste a "battle" over a .22 rifle. Just make sure to subtly point out any mechanical issues with the rifle that may arise. Hopefully she'll see that its quality and not quantity when it comes to firearms in the future.

i wasnt sure if i wanted to pay that much for a .22 either but i wanted a look of an AR and also a gun that has a good rep/reliable. plus i was somewhat lucky paying $370 for the standard version.

My brother in law bough the mossberg when I bought my 15-22. He has used it twice and hates it. Big waste of money.

Act like you got a pair.

Man if I was you I'd regret even admitting what you did lol,
Take it back, they junk. Get a 10/22 and both of you will be happy

What you should have done is said, "Hey wonderful wife of mine, I want this COlt .22 AR, but there is an M&P 15/22 that's much cheaper. Which should I get?" Your mistake was showing her the Mossy.

To me they feel like a toy and only have an AR disguise. But I am sure they are still fun. I too suggest a traditional .22, like a Marlin Model 60 or a 10/22 till the $ is there or you decie to trump your wife.

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Get the 15-22. You know what you want. Either you get it now or your going to get it latter. Getting it latter means 2 guns, but more money.

This is astounding to me. I've not known of 4 10/22's to have firing issues before, much less 4 with one owner. I've only had one, and I still have it. Never failed to feed, fire, or eject. I have some aftermarket 50 round banana mags that I have run thru it regularly as well, and at high speed. Never a problem. One of my regular range buddies has a couple, one with the bull barrel in stainless. He also shoots rapid fire with the 50 round banana mags. We have often loaded up 2 each and emptied them alternately, sending 200 rounds down range in seconds. Always without a hiccup, although it did result in a visit from a range official once who thought we were shooting full auto. ;-)

I've had my 10-22 since 1973 and have had ZERO problems with anything. One of the best plinker and hunting small game weapons I've ever had.

I always find it easier to ask for forgivness after the fact.... As long as your not taking food out of your kids mouths i say go for it... She'll get over it.

+1 on what ID says...........I've got 3.....They've never missed a lick and are minute of squirrel accurate too.

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Sweet! I just started watching season 1 on netflix. I must have one now!

his wife made him get a 715t instead of an m&p 15-22. For some reason, I think the Red Jacket will be out of his price range. lol. I'm into the belief.. buy once cry once. The minute you break down that mossberg, you'll wish you got the 15-22. Personally at this pricepoint.. I'd go for a bolt gun like the CZ452 or Savage MKII instead of owning a "look alike" rather than "function like" AR

Personally id buy a gsg 522sd there the same price as the mossberg but way better quality. I own that and the ak and love then both. Deff no replacement for the 15-22 though

Take the Mrs. out to shoot with you. Tell her, you would like her to get familiar with the Mossy and see how much fun it is to go plinking. When you get home, mention to her she should also learn to clean the Mossy just as you did.

After she has cleaned the gun, show her this link.

RomeoTangoBravo: S&W M&P 15-22 vs. Mossberg AR-22 :: First Impressions

Good luck,

Bob.

I am happy for all of you who posted FANTASTIC results from the Ruger 10/22, seriously. It was such advice from other people that convinced me I needed one. And then the second one, as I figured the first was just a lemon. It was, as was the second one. I gave $45.00 for the third one, which was well used; it was no better. I pulled the Weaver K3 scope off it and sold it for $35.00 to the brother of the guy who bought my fourth and final 10/22, the HB target model. I will not buy another Ruger rifle. Out of twenty, I have had THREE that would shoot well enough to want to keep them. And I did, for several years. Gone now.

I will say this, two of them, a #1 .22 Hornet and a #77 .25/06, had factory wood that rivaled some Cooper's I have seen.

if you dont play the lottery you seriously need to go and do that right now. Also, you could possibly be walking along the beach one day see a yellow ant, get attacked by a shark, pick up a winning lottery ticket, get hit by 7 bolts of lightning and become a professional athlete at the same time. Thats how rare what you are saying is. Hate that you have had bad luck with 10/22's, there are lemons out there, but 4 in a row?

Furthermore, if you have had 20 bad rifles of the same brand, why did you keep buying them>?

The answer to your problem is simple. !!!Jewelry!!! If you want to buy yourself plastic and steel you must first buy the wife gold and diamonds. TRUST ME IT WORKS!!!!!!

not for me, my wife don't like jewelry...when we started talking marriage, she said if i spent more than a grand on her engagement ring, she would say no...and when we did the window shopping, every ring she "mentioned" was in the $500-$700 range. she got mad that i spent $$$ on a walmart bracelet for her from the 2 kids for christmas. It was only $38.

she won't spend more than $20 for a pair of jeans, she has taken to buying gently used clothes in large lots off of ebay.

That's nice. Lucky man.

Since both the Mossy and the Ruger don't become "tactical" until somebody takes a conventional plinker gun and sticks all the black stuff on it, the compromises tend to ruin the whole experience. I liked the Mossberg price until I held one and knew that it was as far removed from a real Stoner-style rifle as Ellen DeGeneres is from Charlize Theron (my information base for the rifle part of this comparison derived from the memory of the M16A1 that I was first issued in 1968 and the subsequent versions I was issued until mid-1971). It didn't feel right in my hands so I asked about the other .22 AR-type in the rack and got acquainted with the 15-22. No, it doesn't work like the .223 AR's but it does feel, handle and throw lead downrange like one of them. As for wives; my first bailed on me just before I left for Vietnam and I didn't get back into shooting until the second one passed away so I really don't have a lot of advice to give on the subject. I do know that the Great Ones will let you follow your enthusiasms as long as you do nothing to jeopardize your family or the vows you took with her. If you do find a Great One, remember there is no damn gun in the world worth losing her over, deal with it!

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that is why i ended up with the mossberg. and with all of the problems, she has said that she should have let me buy the smith. of course, i just go the mossy back on dec. 08. shot it on the 9th to be sure it worked well enough and had planned on selling it to buy a smith. i think selling it would be easy enough, but getting the 15-22 may be hard now. i have not had a chance to look locally.

I have had a total of twenty Ruger rifles of various models over several years. I never expected such poor results, collectively. I actually had #21 on lay-a-way (stainless Mini 14 Ranch rifle) and let a friend take it. He likes it.

Just think how happy he would be if he had bought a good shooting rifle.