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My AR 15-22 double fires
I recently purchased a M&P AR 15-22 from a gunshop. Brand new and in the box. I went to fire it and it sometimes fires twice. Is this normal break in, and should I be concerned?
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No. Do not shoot it. Send back to s&w for repair.
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No, that is not normal.
Did you clean and lube it before firing?
If you can find some CCI Mini Mags, give them a try after cleaning and inspection. If it persists then I agree it needs a trip back to the factory.
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Is this your first firearm?
How many times did this happen?
Are you sure you aren't actually pulling the trigger twice?
I've seen more than one new shooter double-tap because they don't know proper trigger control.
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man that's what i usually try to do!!!! mastering the DT is tough, mostly found through accident. knowing the exact reset can get you quick DT's but if your's is doing it with a single pull and complete let off send it back. you can get a DT if you ride the trigger and keep it back all the way after your shot, you will reset and pull on accident.
agree with Majorlk
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Are you sure you aren't actually pulling the trigger twice?
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Are you saying he has the 'slide fire' finger mode enabled?
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Ha!! now that's funny!
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No, that is not normal.
Did you clean and lube it before firing?
If you can find some CCI Mini Mags, give them a try after cleaning and inspection. If it persists then I agree it needs a trip back to the factory.
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Well thats what I was shooting. I'll try cleaning. If that doesn't work I'll send it back for inspection and repair.
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No. Not normal. Serious malfunction. Call S&W immediately. In addition, present or continued possession of a weapon that fires more than one round with each trigger pull may cause certain legal difficulties. Get that rifle back to S&W immediately. Ask them to email your shipping label, pack it, enclose a letter stating the problem, AND ask them to do any other upgrades to parts to bring it up to current production spec, and ship it off. Be sure to set your email to receive from email from S&W so your shipping label does not go off into your spam folder.
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Good luck. My 15/22 just came back (they replaced the bolt) and in the first mag I had 12 FTF!
I had one fire out of battery, and four rounds that sounded so weird I disassembled the rifle to check for problems.
So out of 125 rounds (and fresh back from S&W with a clean bill of health) I had a total of 24 FTF, 1 OOB, and 4 weird shots that sound like duds and don't cycle the action completely. I had debris blown back in my face (and I shoot right handed) and smoke coming out of the trigger area.
I'll give the gun one more try with CCI ammo (was using Federal and Winchester) and see how it does.
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Good luck. My 15/22 just came back (they replaced the bolt) and in the first mag I had 12 FTF!
I had one fire out of battery, and four rounds that sounded so weird I disassembled the rifle to check for problems.
So out of 125 rounds (and fresh back from S&W with a clean bill of health) I had a total of 24 FTF, 1 OOB, and 4 weird shots that sound like duds and don't cycle the action completely. I had debris blown back in my face (and I shoot right handed) and smoke coming out of the trigger area.
I'll give the gun one more try with CCI ammo (was using Federal and Winchester) and see how it does.
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Why did the bolt need to be replaced??? And did they give you the whole BCG??
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WARNING!!!!!
David Olofson, a Wisconsin gun owner, was convicted for transferring a machine gun. In actuality, Mr. Olofson owns a perfectly legal, AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. He loaned it to a friend to use at a local shooting range. The gun had fired over 800 rounds of ammunition before misfiring. Upon misfire, it fired two shots in a row and jammed on the third. This is commonly known as a “hammer follow.” The misfire happened twice. Another party at the range heard the multiple round burst and notified police.
The S.W.A.T. team, local police, Sheriff’s Department, and BATFE subsequently conducted a no-knock raid of Mr. Olofson’s house. The S.W.A.T. team kicked down Mr. Olofson’s front door, entered wearing full body armor, then seized all of his guns, gun manuals, and his computer. Mr. Olofson, family man and Army veteran, was arrested.
The BATFE conducted a field test on the alleged machine gun, but was unable to recreate the multiple round burst. Not liking the negative results of the test, the field agent ordered the gun retested using a cheaper form of ammunition which is easier to cause multiple firings if you have a malfunction. Upon retesting, the gun did malfunction which was enough to get Mr. Olofson convicted of transferring a machine gun.
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what a dick they guy who called the cops was! BS Can't believe that CNN supported the defendant in this case.
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Why did the bolt need to be replaced??? And did they give you the whole BCG??
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I called S&W and asked, they said they just replaced the bolt. I assume the firing pin was included in the change, the new firing pin looks shorter than the original, as mine used to be flush with the bolt face when the rear of the pin was flush with the rear of the bolt. Now it is recessed in the bolt face when flush at the back.
The bolt was really dirty so I believed the shot a mag full at the factory.
I will try different ammo. Seems a shame that the gun would be really ammo sensitive for reliability.
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Either the whole story isn't out or that guy had the worst attorney in the country.
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I wish I could do that. It would have saved me the cost of the Slidefire and the new trigger!
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Either the whole story isn't out or that guy had the worst attorney in the country.
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I remember when this happened - If I remember correctly - he wasn't allowed to present some evidence - Judge's ruling. The whole thing was a travesty
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you must not have enough experience with dealing with the government, when it comes to firearms, divorces, alimony, etc.
the feds and judges RAIL ROAD any male that walks into court with the above listed matters at hand.
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I recently purchased a M&P AR 15-22 from a gunshop. Brand new and in the box. I went to fire it and it sometimes fires twice. Is this normal break in, and should I be concerned?
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You should be concerned !
Do not shoot it.
Get it to S&W immediately.
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I remember when this happened - If I remember correctly - he wasn't allowed to present some evidence - Judge's ruling. The whole thing was a travesty
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you speaking of the Brian Aitken case that happened in NJ.
On January 2, 2009 Aitken's mother dialed 911 while Aitken was packing his car to move to Hoboken. His mother hung-up the phone before the call was answered. The Mount Laurel Police Department responded to an abandoned 911 call to find that Aitken had said he "didn't see the point in being here if he couldn't see [his] son". This vague comment relayed to the police caused them to call Aitken on his cell phone to determine his 'state of mind'. Aitken told the officers he was not suicidal at which point Officer Michael Joy asked Aitken to return to Mount Laurel. Aitken asked if he was legally required to return to which Officer Joy responded that he did not have to return to Mount Laurel. Aitken thanked Officer Joy and stated that he would not be returning, however, minutes later Officer Joy made another call to Aitken notifying him that a 'General Alert' had been issued to New Jersey jurisdictions and that the Police would "pick him up" and "bring him back" if he did not return on his own. Officer Joy testified at trial that Aitken was "not free to leave until we're through with the matter" despite the fact that Aitken had not been charged with, or suspected of committing, a crime. The coercive nature of the second phone call to Aitken and Officer Joy's subsequent actions have been cited by many as a breach of Aitken's rights under the Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution.
Fearing a manhunt, Aitken returned to Mount Laurel and the responding officers searched Aitken's car and discovered three locked and unloaded handguns in the trunk. Aitken was subsequently arrested for possession of these weapons and was sentenced to seven years in prison by Judge James Morley. Judge Morley's decision not to provide information to the jury regarding exceptions to New Jersey's relatively strict firearm possession laws became a source of controversy.[9] Gun laws in the United States vary widely by state and require expert knowledge to understand the differences.
During the jury instructions Judge Morley did not charge the jury with the exemptions to the New Jersey law despite arguments by the defense that Aitken met one of the exemptions and was therefore innocent of the charges. The jury returned three times requesting to be made aware of the laws that provide exemptions for lawful possession, however, all three requests were denied by the judge. One of the jury requests read:
"Why did you make us aware at the start of the trial that the law allows a person to carry a weapon if the person is moving or going to a shooting range, and during the trial both the defense and prosecution presented testimony as to whether or not the defendant was in the process of moving, and then in your charge for us to deliberate we are not permitted to take into consideration whether or not we believe the defendant was moving?"
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Be careful of the political comments ...
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IMO !
"Never doubt for a moment UR rights are under attack. Knowledge is UR best defense against loosing UR rights. The rest is about votes. Stay correct at all times when it comes to UR rights and the LEO."
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IMO !
"Never doubt for a moment UR rights are under attack. Knowledge is UR best defense against loosing UR rights. The rest is about votes. Stay correct at all times when it comes to UR rights and the LEO."
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UR? Ukrainian Republic? I don't doubt that the citizens of the UR have significantly different rights than citizens here in the U.S., and I agree that they would appreciate a loosening of the regulations there. Thanks for the global politics update!
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So 'IMO !' must be the casual greeting in UR, like 'Hey !'. Cool, now I speak Ukrainian.
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So 'IMO !' must be the casual greeting in UR, like 'Hey !'. Cool, now I speak Ukrainian. 
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Some people think it's "cool" to use twitter-speak instead of plain English.
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AFAIK, IMO means "In my Opinion".
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not just this show, but all of these csi, fake crime shows are the lamest, garbage on tv. crimes solved in 30mins or less, and with 3 bathroom breaks. and the morons actually get pissed when a crime isnt solved by the real police in a day or two. but this guy, PISSED ME OFF royaly. that YEAAAAAAAAHHHH and his manorisms & voice made me want to shoot my tv when Ms.SpicyTunaRoll would watch it.
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not just this show, but all of these csi, fake crime shows are the lamest, garbage on tv. crimes solved in 30mins or less, and with 3 bathroom breaks. and the morons actually get pissed when a crime isnt solved by the real police in a day or two. but this guy, PISSED ME OFF royaly. that YEAAAAAAAAHHHH and his manorisms & voice made me want to shoot my tv when Ms.SpicyTunaRoll would watch it.
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It's ENTERTAINMENT!!!! No one says it's real and anyone who think these shows bear any resemblance to reality also think Honey Boo Boo is quality TV.
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WARNING!!!!!
David Olofson, a Wisconsin gun owner, was convicted for transferring a machine gun. In actuality, Mr. Olofson owns a perfectly legal, AR-15 semi-automatic rifle. He loaned it to a friend to use at a local shooting range. The gun had fired over 800 rounds of ammunition before misfiring. Upon misfire, it fired two shots in a row and jammed on the third. This is commonly known as a “hammer follow.” The misfire happened twice. Another party at the range heard the multiple round burst and notified police.
The S.W.A.T. team, local police, Sheriff’s Department, and BATFE subsequently conducted a no-knock raid of Mr. Olofson’s house. The S.W.A.T. team kicked down Mr. Olofson’s front door, entered wearing full body armor, then seized all of his guns, gun manuals, and his computer. Mr. Olofson, family man and Army veteran, was arrested.
The BATFE conducted a field test on the alleged machine gun, but was unable to recreate the multiple round burst. Not liking the negative results of the test, the field agent ordered the gun retested using a cheaper form of ammunition which is easier to cause multiple firings if you have a malfunction. Upon retesting, the gun did malfunction which was enough to get Mr. Olofson convicted of transferring a machine gun.
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This is VERY TRUE. A year or so back I bought a used RIA 1911 pistol at a LGS. Took it straight to the range *same one my local L.E. agency uses*.
And loaded up a 7 round mag.
Put the sights on target, squeezed the trigger once.
Bang bang bang bang bang bang bang *slide locks open*.
2 Officers look over at me with a "what in the the!?" look as i fumble the pistol and drop it on the table in dead shock.
They both walk over and ask to the tune of "what the ********* was that!".
I said I have no idea!
They tried a mag and yet again full auto fire through the whole thing.
The 3 of us go back to their shop. They have their LT "also a gunsmith" look it over.
Turns out the previous owner had tied to do a trigger job on it and messed up the sear and dis-connector pretty badly.
My local PD carries 1911's so for a charge of like $30 he put a new sear and disconnect in which fixed the problem.
However they told me I was very lucky it happened right there, and I had a receipt saying I bought it 3 hours before because Otherwise it was a machine pistol and I would have been up the creek without even a boat to sit in.
Very dangerous stuff legally when a gun does this in any shape or form
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you'd be surprised how often the general public thinks they know what LEO(s) should, could, or cant do - simply based upon the bull**** they see on these CSi shows.
why do you think people are in such shock when a cop shoots center-mass, and the suspect dies. its the same reason people expect cops to shot a pinky, ankle, and or hand on a charging suspect = THESE FAKE CSI SHOWS RAISE PEOPLES EXPECTATIONS. its the same reason the general public thinks a cop can run a cellphone number and watch it moving as a pulsating red dot on GPS map. LOLOLOL
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As I intimated ... there are really stupid people in the world. I am NOT disagreeing with you, just not getting bent out of shape of something I have no control over.
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As I intimated ... there are really stupid people in the world. I am NOT disagreeing with you, just not getting bent out of shape of something I have no control over.
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neither am i. i just hate that dude
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sarYH0z948
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He truly is a terrible actor haha
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he's so awful, that i think its not even able to be faked. it really seems like this dude IS this way. like he almost believes/lives the character LOL
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i just wasted a few minutes of my life and kinda puked in my mouth! that is the first time i've watched the show, my wife watches it, but i'll stick with the hunting channels, discovery, history and military channels. a little more truth there.
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lol, you probably shouldnt have even posted that failure on the internet....logic would bring me to beleive that a semi automatic that double shoots is a problem and needs to be sent back asap...lmao but hey...what do i know
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Keeping that rifle, with you now knowing it can fire more than one round with a single trigger pull, puts you in all kinds of legal, liability issues, not to mention, that something is very very wrong and could lead to darn near anything...like firing on a bump. It should be assumed to be unsafe. Unload it lock it and send it in...is my advice.
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