So how can putting a coke bottle on the end of your gun be illegal ?
With just a quick look I could not find anything on this in the Ga. gun law.
Would it even work ?
How much trouble am I going to get in for playing around with this ?

Based on the comments below, now you know.

Because anything that muffles/reduces the sound is considered a silencer. And making/possessing one without an Approved F1/F4 is worth up to $250,000 fine and 10 years in prison.

It may not be a GA gun law that you are violating. It's worse. It's a FEDERAL law.

Specifically, it's part of the National Firearms Act (NFA), 1934, which regulates the possession of, amongst other things, suppressors. Suppressors are (from Wikipedia):
Any portable device designed to muffle or disguise the report of a portable firearm.

There are many homemade suppressors and build instructions available (from PVC tubing to a Mag Lite suppressor to an Oil filter). However, in order for you to LEGALLY make a homemade suppressor, you need to fill out and submit ATF Form 5320.1 - Application to Make and Register a Firearm. For a suppressor, this will require schematics of your suppressor. It also costs $200 for the application.

If you have an unregistered suppressor, you could be subject to federal felony charges, face a fine of $10,000 and time in jail. Since it's a felony, I believe you would be prohibited from possessing any firearm in the future as well.

Note, the ATF has long held that merely possession of the necessary components for a suppressor without an approved form 5320.1 violates the NFA. Specifically, if you have a tube, an endcap, and some mechanism for attaching it to your firearm, you are in violation.

Please do not play around with it. You may not get caught, but you do NOT want to take that chance.

Suppressors ARE LEGAL TO OWN. You just have to get approval from the ATF first.

Big time illegal!! Must have a Federal Tax Stamp!
Be very careful.

Best.

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The $200 is not a joke. It seems like it today because the price stayed the same. When it was first initiated in 1934 $200 was a lot of money. If the NFA counted for inflation you would be paying $3,500. Which is what it amounted to in 1934

The government does not consider this playing. I would most certainly not be posting pictures of this setup... be it on a gun or not.

Shooting suppressed is the best... just do it legally. Pay your $200 and wait a few months. No big deal. Matter of fact, I got notified yesterday my Saker 7.62 stamp came in & am picking it up today. From date the government cashed the check to stamp in hand, was a bit under 3 months. That is really good nowadays!!!

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The $200 tax was extremely high for 1934. In today's $$, inflation adjusted, I believe it's around $5k. That's for EACH SUPPRESSOR or other regulated item!

I do not agree with the NFA, many parts of the GCA, nor the Hughes Amendment, all of which restricted private firearm ownership in this country. However, as it is the law, I will abide by it. What you are suggesting is more than a peaceful demonstration. If the time comes for that, so be it.

The NRA doesn't care (IMO) one iota about NFA. In fact, most gun owners do NOT know, want to know, or care about the other gun owners and what they may use their firearms for. Hunters could care less (in general) about AR-15 style weapons, for example. I've had big bore 'bolt action' snobs complain to me that my semi-auto 22 casings are hitting them. While I was being pelted by 9mm casings from the pistol next to me. Most gun owners would question the need for a machine gun.

The point being, if gun owners in America are 'ok' with limited possession of Machine Guns, then what's to say that a semi-auto capable of rapid fire (whether slidefire, fast trigger, whatever) isn't bad too. So now, all semi auto rifles are off the table. Ok, well semi auto pistols can be shot rapid fire. Heck, even revolvers can be shot rapid fire. Next, let's go after ammo. At some point, laws will alienate every gun owner, but by then, it will be too late.

None of the existing gun laws 'protect' against crime. Furthermore, in general, laws should be silent as to the nature of the crime. IE, homicide is homicide whether its with a firearm or a hatchet or a vehicle.

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It probably will do little to muffle the sound (except in the movies) but I don't think the ATF will care, if it reduces the report by even one decibel, they will consider it a silencer.

Agreed 10000%. Just like kids 'claiming' that powdered sugar is coke. If you're going to say it's coke, then it's coke, whether you were kidding or not.

In this case, you claimed it's a suppressor, regardless of whether it would blow up or reduce sound in any measurable way.

Note, suppressors on air soft / paintball guns also fall into this category. It does not have to reduce the sound signature (see the SIG Muzzle Brake for reference). There are fake suppressors/cans. Not sure how they skirt the law though.. Because it looks like a duck, even if it doesn't act like a duck.

Or, just maybe, or at least hopefully, April Fools.

This thread probably needs deleted. Its in the best interest of the OP

The Internet coupled with Camera Phones have gotten LOTS of people in trouble

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THANKS ALL , & Jim that is not my picture , it's one from google.
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Is this $200 form on line , where do I start ?

This gets my vote for the Dumb Idea of the Day Award. In the heirarchy of dumb ideas, this one ranks right up there with soup cans for car mufflers, asbestos insulation for homes, and maybe just cutting a hole in your rifle case for your trigger finger and firing the gun from inside the case.

Plus, there's the fact that this would get you run off (and laughed off of) any public range in the known universe.

The pics, yes. But it's not illegal to ask a question. And the discussion has been one of the more active in recent memory on the board.

yes, the pic is what makes this not good and the fact that the way the OP phrased the question, made it seem like this was his gun, silencer, picture, etc.

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Yes it is.

But I recommend you start with a suppressor that someone else made. Start with the caliber of your intended rifle/pistol. If you're interested in a suppressor for a 22lr (ie, 15-22, given the forum), get a 22 can that is take apart. Silencerco Sparrow is probably the most widely used on the market.

You can purchase these from certain gun stores. Check your local area and ask around.

Best advice is to get a Gun Trust FIRST. It makes the process less of a hassle in the long run. I did mine through 199trust.com, had it in less than 24 hrs.

If you are buying a pre-made suppressor, it's form 5320.4 (aka Form 4). The gun shop that you would be buying it from can fill it out for you.

It'll still cost $200 for the form, plus $200-$500 for the suppressor. Plus another $50-100 for the trust. And THEN you get to wait 4 months. But in the end, you'll have a legal suppressor that is warrentied and will last a lifetime.

Good luck!

This is very serious poop you are talking about here. I wouldn't associate myself with that picture, no matter what.

Not right now. You can file online for a SBR (short barrel rifle) but for suppressors, it still needs to be done snail mail.

You start with where you purchase it from. If you get it locally, which is the fastest way, they should have the forms you need & can help you fill it out. You might need to research setting up a trust for the purchase if you don't own your own corporation. Purchasing as a trust or corporation keeps you from getting fingerprinted & having law enforcement signature.

If you purchase from the Silencer Shop, they handle all the paperwork & checks to the government. They also have links to set up a trust. I like using them. The only issue is you have a 45-60 day wait for them to get permission to ship the suppressor to a local dealer. Once that happens, then your approx. 3 month wait starts for getting your approval.

Jim

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If you are interested in a form 1 suppressors, Checkout SD TACTICAL ARMS WEBSITE. They have all the hardware and are very familiar with the do's and don'ts of form 1 process. They have a forum on their website that is very helpful.

Those are a hollow tube. It in no way diminishes the sound.

Form 1 is not for suppressors. It is normally used for making a SBR.

Form 4 is for getting approval to own a suppressor.

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As I said the pic. came up in a search , thanks for your concern.
Hope this fixes it.
Maybe the poster that copied it can do the same.
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So now then do you have to have a stamp or what ever for each suppressor ?

If Steven Seagal uses one, it must be legit.

Hollywood wouldn't lie.

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Form 1 is for making a Suppressor, SBR OR SBS. I HAVE 2 Tax stamps for 2 of them. Form 4 is for transfer of a existing item. On form 1 you are the manufacturer(or better yet your trust.). You can efile the Form 1 and attach your trust to it. Payment can be made by credit card. Cut the wait time to about 30 to 60 days to get your stamp and then start your build. DO NOT Drill or form anything until you get the stamp period!! Check all ATF rules and regulations before you start anything.

Best and be safe,
Gerald

There are plenty of vids on You Tube showing how to make real homemade suppressors but if you make one you are creating a pile of heat. Let's forget your post and please take gun ownership seriously because after all it's a privilege just as much as a right. Constitutions and laws can be changed and we have enough problems already with the anti gun crowd. Please try to understand that we understand what you are doing but the anti gun mob don't understand guns and are terrified of them and when they see something like this they go ape.

Yep. And if you go SBR, one for that too. That is why some of us are called stamp collectors.

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AMEN! 'Nuff said.

They are legal to own in most states. In some states, owning them is a violation of state law.

Correct - there 39 states which allow them, including the OP's state - Georgia. However, the statement is still correct - they are legal to own once you get permission from the ATF. The ATF will not grant you permission if you live on one of those 11 states that prohibit suppressors. Moving after ownership causes a lot of issues related to firearms in general, not just suppressors....

It's also a reason I won't live in any of those 11 states. At least two of them, I'd never live in for ANY reason, even if suppressors became legal in those states.

Find out your state and local laws first. Sometimes the state will allow but the Sheriff won't sign of on it.

When you fill out the paperwork..... if you printed of the website it needs to be double sided. Don't abbreviate anything. If your name is William use that, don't write Bill. If your name is Michael don't write Mike. Follow all the instructions

There was an extra "portable" in there between any and device. It's just typed wrong in Wikipedia, the actual law doesn't say the device has to be portable, only the firearm.

No schematics needed for a silencer.


Form 1 is for any unlicensed person/entity making any tax paid NFA firearm. Machinegun, AOW, silencer, SBS, SBR, destructive device. Any attempt to register/make a new machinegun will be disapproved.

Assuming OP is not a troll jerking us around, here's a suggestion: fill your water bottle with shaving cream. It will be quieter, and give you great stories to share at the Federal Fun House.

Let me now show what it looks like to do cans for real:



100% legal - and not at all as dumb looking as your little rig...

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That actually (and unfortunately) depends on which examiner you get, and what you put for the reason.

That's one reason to go with a trust.

All preaching to the choir aside, I would love to see the current Congress remove SBR's and suppressors from the NFA. But they won't.

Until they do, I'll just keep collectin' stamps...

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This reminds me about another thread on a different forum I am on more than this one. A guy opened a thread and posted a picture of something he inherited in the way of a firearm they found in his grandfathers collection. He could not figure what it was and none of us recognized it at first either. But after a number of us did some searching we realized it was an original 1917 Lewis Gun missing the barrel's shroud/heat shield. We had the site Admin kill the thread and told him he needed to contact the ATF ASAP. I know that the ATF has people surfing the internet looking for things on a daily basis.
And there is no such thing as a silencer really. That is one thing the Steven Seagal movie got right and that is once it is really suppressed you can still hear the action cycle. But the thing he got wrong was that you can only really do a good job suppressing if the gun shoots sub-sonic ammo. A suppresser will not remove the crack from the sonic boom when a bullet goes supersonic. What it does suppress is the explosion bang of the powder going off. Especially semi autos. Bolt guns shooting subsonic ammo are easier because there is no sound openning out the back of the gun. And unlike Hollywood movies you can't suppress a revolver. I used to always get a kick from the old TV series like Get Smart and The Man From UNCLE when someone had a 3" "silencer" on a revolver and it made no sound at all (because they turned the sound recording off when shooting blanks).

Have we discussed this enough?