Is it possible to purchase a 15-22 from Smith & Wesson that meets NY State laws such as adding the "spur" vs the pistol grip etc. or can I buy just a complete upper receiver and then build up the lower.
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You might want to ask a gun dealer in NY State that question. He should know what he can or can not order from S&W
Many of us that live in the FREE States do not bother learning the laws passed by the Draconian States
Many of us that live in the FREE States do not bother learning the laws passed by the Draconian States
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It'd be much easier to purchase the upper and then build the lower accordingly. When I say "accordingly," I mean the route of permanently fixing the magazine in place, or making it a featureless build. You really only have those two options if you're concerned with being compliant.
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Sorry to jack the thread but out of interest what is required for NY State law?
I know there are often differences but do any other parts of the US have considerably different firearms laws?
I know there are often differences but do any other parts of the US have considerably different firearms laws?
In the United States, each State has the right to make it's own laws.
So there are 50 totally different and unrelated sets of laws
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I was aware that states had at least slight differences but I figured the law of averages meant at least a couple were virtually the same; I was really interested if any were wildly obtuse or incredibly unrestricted in comparison.
In the UK the law is constant but the "generosity" of the different constabularies means what you are immediately allowed can sometimes depend on where you live too – means the potential to argue a case for something but getting permission for some firearms can be a protracted process – I was interested in how this compared to some of the states with tighter controls since firearms owners in the UK often regard the US as being very fortunate in the freedom you have in this region.
You cannot build the S&W M&P 15-22 lower accordingly.
Neither the upper nor lower are interchangeable with a true AR-15 upper/lower.
Furthermore, the upper and lower are not sold separately, nor is there an aftermarket 'stripped lower receiver'.
Certainly the lower receiver can be modified to be compliant, however, it would have to be purchased by someone else in a different state, then modded, and resold to the OP.
The OPs options are limited, esp if he is dead-set on the 15-22, since there are no out of the box NY compliant models. Moving to another state might be the easiest option in that case. Defining a rim fire semi auto as an assault weapon is, well, about as stupid a law that politicians could enact.
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I think that I saw a SAFE act compliant 15-22 at a LGS. There are kits to fix the magazine and convert the stock to that goofy configuration without a PG. There is also a "nub" pistol grip which will replace the standard PG rendering that part compliant, too. I think that it was developed by a State Trooper and is being sold at many LGS.
Other than being the most corrupt state in the nation the politicians there are a complete national embarrassment! They are legends only within the confines of their own misdeveloped minds...
Sorry for the thread drift
For Example, the State of Florida believes in the true meaning of the US Constitution's words "The right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall not be infringed" and imposes no firearms ownership restrictions on it's Citizens beyond what exist in Federal Law. Presuming that you have the money, you can own any weapon including a machine gun, tank, battleship, fighter plane, it does not matter, America trusts it's Citizens. In 1987 Florida also began the "Shall Issue" weapons carry permit legislation that reaffirms a Citizens right to carry a weapon for the defense of him/her self or another. Similar laws now exists in 41 of our 50 States.
The State of California does not trust it's Citizens and is a polar opposite. Citizens are not allowed to bring in firearms from another State. Citizens are not allowed to buy anything that is not on a Government approved list. Citizens are required to register everything they own. Citizens can not sell or give or bequeath anything to a friend or relative, it must go to a gun shop to be transferred, fees and registration are involved and it must be on the approved lists. California believes in restricting the number of cartridges that can fit in a firearm. There are entire categories and calibers that Citizens are forbidden to own. There are even firearms that California does not allow to be manufactured in their State, a decade or so ago, California chased 4 large manufacturers out of the State causing thousands of Citizens to move or lose their jobs.
NY is also a very restrictive State and has passed lots of crazy laws in recent years. Way too many for non-residents to keep track of.
Cities like Washington, DC had a complete ban on the ownership of handguns. It took 27 years in the Courts, but about 5 years ago the US Supreme court struck down the ban as a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment of the US constitution. The City of Chicago also had a ban on personal Handguns that took a few decades to be overturned as unconstitutional
There are lots more and if you truly want to read about State laws and their differences there are many websites dedicated to this topic.
Rather than continuing in this thread here, why not start your own thread in the proper sub Forum
Naturally there are "wildly obtuse or incredibly unrestricted" laws and they are constantly changing
For Example, the State of Florida believes in the true meaning of the US Constitution's words "The right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms Shall not be infringed" and imposes no firearms ownership restrictions on it's Citizens beyond what exist in Federal Law. Presuming that you have the money, you can own any weapon including a machine gun, tank, battleship, fighter plane, it does not matter, America trusts it's Citizens. In 1987 Florida also began the "Shall Issue" weapons carry permit legislation that reaffirms a Citizens right to carry a weapon for the defense of him/her self or another. Similar laws now exists in 41 of our 50 States.
The State of California does not trust it's Citizens and is a polar opposite. Citizens are not allowed to bring in firearms from another State. Citizens are not allowed to buy anything that is not on a Government approved list. Citizens are required to register everything they own. Citizens can not sell or give or bequeath anything to a friend or relative, it must go to a gun shop to be transferred, fees and registration are involved and it must be on the approved lists. California believes in restricting the number of cartridges that can fit in a firearm. There are entire categories and calibers that Citizens are forbidden to own. There are even firearms that California does not allow to be manufactured in their State, a decade or so ago, California chased 4 large manufacturers out of the State causing thousands of Citizens to move or lose their jobs.
NY is also a very restrictive State and has passed lots of crazy laws in recent years. Way too many for non-residents to keep track of.
Cities like Washington, DC had a complete ban on the ownership of handguns. It took 27 years in the Courts, but about 5 years ago the US Supreme court struck down the ban as a clear violation of the 2nd Amendment of the US constitution. The City of Chicago also had a ban on personal Handguns that took a few decades to be overturned as unconstitutional
There are lots more and if you truly want to read about State laws and their differences there are many websites dedicated to this topic.
Rather than continuing in this thread here, why not start your own thread in the proper sub Forum
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andishdi
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That's some really interesting information, thank you for taking the time to post it.
I find it fascinating the difference between nation's laws and even state to state... Things like there being magazine size limits whilst none is imposed here, that some states managed to get pistols legalised again (I'm still stuck having to use my long-barrelled semi-auto K22) and that moderators (suppressors) are considered beneficial from a H&S standpoint due to reduced noise pollution so there's no restriction.
As you suggested, something to take up elsewhere but interesting to see how others are constantly battling to keep their firearms.
Thanks again for your response and apologies to the OP for going off topic.
Intruder:I would suggest talking to a Manufacturer ( class 7 license), since the atrocity known as the safe act, does state many things that you cannot have/do to a fire arm, while not telling you what IS legal. Over the last 2 yrs many companies have produced ( ny compliant ??) AR's and components that are NOT compliant, because the makers are trying to take ca/nj, previous ny law and make a "compliant item", while the state is not giving a list that of what IS compliant, merely stating certain cosmetic item are illegal. Unfortunately a lgs may be selling it, the item may be created by a LEO, that still does not make it legal to use on your firearm. There have been 3300+ arrests since this "law" has gone into effect, I do not know how many new "felons" ny has as a result of having 10 rds in a mag. But a class 7 manufacturer will be able to give you guidance to keep you from running afoul of the law. Be Safe,
OP
Thanks for all the replies. Here is a link for the NYS Safe Act
NY Safe Act Guide
I was hoping to be able to purchase a upper and build the lower like I did for my AR-15. Looks like that option is out. I went to about 10 gun stores and they feel there are basically no options available at this time. I contacted S&W today and am awaiting a answer to this question.
Last month we had a speaker from the NYS Rifle & Pistol Association come to our meeting. One of the most important points that he mentioned was that about 80% of hunters and gun owners do not vote in local and state elections. That said, now I know how these liberals get into office. Take note as the anti gunners are going to force this **** down all of our throats regardless of what state you live in. so Vote, Vote and re-vote.
Eddie
NY Safe Act Guide
I was hoping to be able to purchase a upper and build the lower like I did for my AR-15. Looks like that option is out. I went to about 10 gun stores and they feel there are basically no options available at this time. I contacted S&W today and am awaiting a answer to this question.
Last month we had a speaker from the NYS Rifle & Pistol Association come to our meeting. One of the most important points that he mentioned was that about 80% of hunters and gun owners do not vote in local and state elections. That said, now I know how these liberals get into office. Take note as the anti gunners are going to force this **** down all of our throats regardless of what state you live in. so Vote, Vote and re-vote.
Eddie
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