Bought at Sportsman's Warehouse in FL

I've never been aware of major manufacturers releasing ammunition seconds. Not good business.

My only experience with them was shooting some of their 60 grain 22lr's. They fired just fine but I agree that the wax lube they use felt almost oily. It was interesting shooting them but I can see how they could really pick up some dust or grit.

Just the opposite here.........Amscor is total garbage.....I wouldn't take it if you gave it to me.........All the Aquila in the 50 rd boxes has always shot fine.........Stinks but shoots OK. Bought several bricks last trip to the CMP in Anniston.......All worked like it was supposed to.

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Knowingly selling substandard ammunition sounds like a huge risk for any company, large or small. Can you document your statement, since you state it as a fact?

I DON"T believe you.......Prove it. That ammo mfg'ers sell "2nds"(sub quality) as you stated.

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Maybe I should have said "Blems"!
Ed

The Aquila Super 40 gr works just fine in my S&W .22 Compact. In fact, it's more accurate than CCI Mini-Mags and Federal Auto Match in that gun. Go figure!

I know that bad rounds get by QC from about every ammunition company, but saying that they sell bad ammo intentionally is hogwash!

I bought a few boxes of 500-round Aguila 22LR Super Extra from Bass Pro and Sportsman's Warehouse. Yes, they are packed in a sealed plastic bag inside the paper box.

I have not shot the 40gr RP, but have shot the 38gr HP with both M&P 15-22 and Charter Arms Pathfinder. Based on the limited shots on my M&P 15-22, the Aguila performed on par with CCI SV, and better than both Federal Auto Match and Armscor. Considering the price and performance, I like the Aguila and have purchased more.

I haven't shot any of the Aguila ammo you had the problem with, but a few weeks ago I bought a few boxes of their "INTERCEPTOR" 40 gr. hp .22 LR. I got out one of my old 10/22s yesterday with the idea I might try to shoot me a couple of squirrels for the pot. The 10/22 in question is an older model deluxe sporter and wears a Bushnell 3200 series 2-7x scope. The Aguila Interceptor ammo functioned perfectly in the 10/22, and after a few scope adjustment clicks down and right, yielded a perfectly centered ragged hole group at 40 yards, shooting off the corner of my truck's bed with one small bag rest. I'm going to stick a little label on the 10/22 stating that's the ammo it is sighted in for. This particular 10/22 is a little fussy about ammo at times, but ate up 25 of this Aguila stuff without a hitch.

I had a Mexican tequila nightmare once!

All kidding aside, I bought a brick of Aguila match ammo once. I don’t remember the exact name, but it shot pretty well in the CZ 452 Varmint I had at the time. I remember it had the same nasty smell as Eley.

Agreed.

Bullet/component manufacturers sell blems/seconds bullets, but the handloader is taking on the responsibility of any issues. Can't see 2nd loaded ammo being sold for liability reasons either.

I don't see them selling 2nd primer or powder either. I imagine any errors in those processes are destroyed at the plant and disposed of.

Also, the blems/seconds are sold without a stated manufacturer and are re-packaged in a generic box.

Rosewood

I too can confirm that the Aguila copper HV does come in a plastic bag inside the cardboard box. I have no knowledge/experience with any sort of "factory seconds" etc.

My experience with Aguila is mixed. It goes bang, is accurate enough for pistol practice. I too use CCI Standard Velocity for score in NRA Bullseye. I have shot maybe 1000 rds of various Aguila in my .22 rifles for group shooting. I find the Aguila to be so-so accuracy wise. Some of the more premium Aguilas have given me good groups (like 5 shot 1/2" 50 yards) but not consistently. And some is much worse. I have determined it's not worth purchasing as long as more proven stuff is available. That said, during the last great shortage often that was what I could find, so I bought it!

Just my experience.

Now that the furor has died over my post on factory 2nds! I kept looking out the window at night expecting the torch and pitchfork crowd from the black and white Frankenstein movie to appear at my door!

Note that the OP (Original Poster) was posting on 22 LR packed in a plastic bag/boxed. Not centerfire. If I had bought something like that the first thing I would think is FACTORY 2NDS! Reread the quoted post above.

I did not say the factory would sell seconds that would stick a bullet in the bore, blow off the top strap, blow up your bolt action rifle.

This is ammunition that did not meet the manufacturer's specs but OBVIOUSLY meets SAMMI specifications. Who would think they would sell dangerous ammunition to the crowds?

And for those of you who do not know it-reclamation (as in pulling apart scrapped ammo) costs a lot more than selling 2nds at a reduced cost.

Only one member here who posted vehemently against me was a name I recognized from over the years and I was quite surprised. The rest I could care less.

Obviously not one poster bothered to check the availability of FACTORY 2NDS. Something that was suggested to me before posting such a terrible thing.

Do your own due diligence and search the internet with various phrases for factory seconds.

Before making such derogatory statements.

You will find reputable forums talking of them. One being RimfireCentral. The subject of course being rimfire ammunition.

I will give one hint-Sig Sauer lists Factory Blems for sale. Yes for those of you who do not know it Blems are also 2nds.

From their website I quote-
"there may be slight performance variations from the standard spec ammunition."

OK one more hint-try images after your search.

Ed

Well a month ago had issues with standard Aguila from 2 50 round boxes so no more. Only CCI standard velocity.
As for Sig ammo, you have to be kidding me……..

Yes, CCI SV is generally much better ammo. An even better idea is to test many ammos in your gun, shooting groups from a benchrest at 50 yards. You'll quickly find what is accurate, what functions with 100% reliability, and what ammo is prone to having duds mixed in.

I have six 22lr pistols and two 22lr rifles. I now only use CCI SV in those pistols. I use CCI SV in my Smith & Wesson M&P 15-22
rifle and Eley Club in my Ruger 10-22 carbine rifle.
I'll stick with both of those in my pistols and rifles.

I have to agree with nedlate on his "blems or 2nds." statement. As a Sig armourer from the mid '80's I'm well aware of their notices of special sales of blem ammo.

As a very active shooter of .22 LR I've found plenty of ammo, mostly bulk packed, that when you shoot it just by the sound you know if it's going to string high or low. 6 or 8 inch vertical groups at 50 yds. are not unusual with this **** ammo from major brands. Why is that, if not seconds?

Since this seems to be a sounding board for defective ammo I'll add my own least favorite, Browning bulk. I've been using up what I have in a 3" J frame #317. I would guess that 2 of every 8 I load have to be pushed in with your thumb just to close the cylinder. The gun chamber's other ammo without a problem.

On the other hand I too am a fan of CCI-SV. This stuff will group just under MOA at 100 in most case's if you do your part. At 50 yds. .225 groups can be had. That's Tenex territory. Buying by the case it comes out to $3.45 a box. Yeah, I shoot a lot of CCI.

...messed up a box and repackaged them. The failure to fire I can't explain unless they palmed off some bad ammo as Aquila.

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I like Aguila .22LR boxed. Never tried bagged before.

Care to share where you get it at that price?

CCI SV, and subsonic is the only 22 ammo I've bought the last few years. Works most great suppressed, clean too.

Just throwing out another idea. All of the Aguila I have used was in the cardboard boxes with plastic inserts. Is it possible that the bulk packed ammo is sustaining damage in shipment? Doesn’t take much to deform a soft lead bullet.

Agree. Also damage to the brass casing.

Took the 38gr Aguila Super Extra HP out of the 500-round bag/box to the range, and shot it with my revolver. Yes, the cartridge casing feels kind of sticky. Out of 50 rounds, I got 3 rounds that needed a second strike.

I’ve come across it, it’s called “ paraffin “ CCI uses it, Eley uses it.sounds like your ammo got really warm in shipping.you can go to Eley’s site and they talk about it.what I did was wiped it down with rubbing Alcohol .
This happened during the 22 shortage a few years back.ammo worked fine
.yeah, I reacted just like you when I opened it and said eeewww

Sounds like you got some kind of anomaly. That's some of my favorite ammo.

Aguila used to be quality .22 ammo back in the day, but not long ago I bought several hundred of their standard velocity offering and there were a lot of problems with it. When it chambers and ignites, it is fairly accurate, but yesterday I ran some through my S&W model 18-3. Some of it had to be pushed hard into the charging holes and a couple, out of a hundred didn't fire on the first strike of the primer.

I won’t shoot Aguila LR in any older typer rifles such as Steven’s Favorite and other similar rifles. The nature of extractors in these old guns are prone to rim blow outs. I’m not talking about severely worn rifle. Same rifles with other brands had little sticky extraction but rims didn’t blow out.
Had similar experiences with Charles Daily brand back in 80s.

I bought 2 bricks a while back just to try it out. One brick each of lead standard velocity and plated high velocity.
Lead bullets seem to be a bit oversized. Don't feed well in semi-autos and you have to push hard to seat them all the way in revolvers.
All of it wasn't very accurate, many FTFs and its just plain dirty.
I'll never buy anymore.

I will throw in my 2 cents, Bought a box of 500 Aguila 38gr. CPHP to try in my M-617, have been trying several types for this gun, no misfires, consistent, no smell, was the worst at leading up around the forcing cone, and dirty.. The best so far, Federal & CCI 36 grain CPHP, I did get around one dud out of 300 with the Federal from a 1375 round bucket, still trying more brands and types, it maybe March before this weather breaks to get back to the range..

I believe he was suggesting contacting Aquila. I had issues with a case of Remington game loads several years ago-wouldn’t consistently cycle my dead nuts reliable A5 Browning or my equally reliable Franchi. Called Remington and cave them my story. They asked for lot number and then sent me a replacement case of ammo at no charge,

I have never had any problem with Aguila. That said, I never bought any in a plastic bag.

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Don't have a lot of experience with Aguila stuff but will always remember trying out some of the 'hyper velocity' .22 LR, their answer to the CCI Stinger with some sort of confusing name like 'Super Ultra High Velocity' moniker or similar....
I had just gotten a c.1954 K22 and was trying a bunch of different ammo in it to see what it really liked.
I was in a place where I could shoot in the backyard pretty easily, so a fun project.

Long story short - but the K22 definitely did NOT like the Aguila hyper stuff. Report was on par with a .22 Mag. revolver and 'groups' at 20 yds. would barely stay on a 12" paper plate.
Recall a strange smell also.

The K22 really liked CCI Standard Velocity ammo, and strangely, some old Federal .22 Longs I had in my stash.

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Perhaps many here with “ good” Agulia have older ammo mfg pre covid? I USED to buy and shoot Aguila but the last will be the last. Many ftf in my Mdl 17 even after rotating the cartridge in cylinder. Same in Hi Standard Supermatic Citation, Colt Woodsman and Ruger Mk II.CCI Standard velocity and their Mini Mags have been 100% reliable in every 22 rifle and pistol. Have yet to find CCI 22s with the price increase…

I have a supply of the "old" Aguila and I have the newer product. The priming formula is no longer Eley's, it's Aguila's own. So, it smells different when shooting. Other than that I find performance the same -- good. I still like it very much.

I have bought a little when the usual stock wasn't available. No issues with what I have used. But mine was in 50 round boxes.

Sounds like yours came via Arizona or Texas hand delivered. After crossing the river there's going to be a little residue.

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I've seen manufacturer's seconds sold online with full disclosure.

The only reason the ammo was listed as seconds was because test batches didn't meet the manufacturer's accuracy standards.

Can you verify this with an example?

It has been many years since Aguila had Eley primer. I bought it right at the changeover. I went through 10,000 rounds of the Eley prime version, without any issues. The next thousand came with their own primer compound, and I didn’t notice the box had changed to saw Aguila prime at first. Once I started to have lots of failures to fire, I noticed it was different. I don’t use it in any competition guns anymore, and mainly keep it for plinking with friends.


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It is my understanding that "Eley Primed" actually referred to the equipment used. When Eley went to a digital priming system, they sold their old analog system to Aguila and went to Mexico to help them set it up.

I haven't experienced those issues at all and I've been through a couple thousand rounds...and probably have another two thousand on the shelf! Aside from the "funny" smell and frequent cleaning because of the soot...it's still no big deal to me. I keep a nylon brush and a swab handy to keep things clean. At least I hove no bore leading issues like I did when I tried Thunderbolts.