M&P's WITH NEW TRIGGER PULL

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Just saw the new M&P pistol ad in Guns and Ammo Magazine, March 2013 issue. The ad states:

Positive, Tactile Trigger Reset

So it looks like S&W is finally now producing all the M&P's with the same trigger pull/reset, as in the Shields.

Bob
 
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Damn...I just got my M&P FS 9 a few weeks ago...oh well...I'm in the minority I guess as I don't mind the trigger..BUT like anything else when something new comes out you sort of go...hey I want the new stuff too! lol
 
robkarrob said:
Positive, Tactile Trigger Reset

So it looks like S&W is finally now producing all the M&P's with the same trigger pull/reset, as in the Shields.

Bob
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So, for a novice, what, exactly, does this mean???
 
opr1945 said:
So, for a novice, what, exactly, does this mean???
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I'll attempt an answer here. In the self defense shooting classes
I've taken, they stress "shooting to the reset" for faster follow
up shots. This means after a shot only allowing the trigger to
return just enough for the trigger to reset. On some M&Ps, the
reset is pretty vague. Adding a RAM(reset assist mechanism)
helped my 40c. I've got a Shield 40 on order & I'm sure looking
forward to checking out the trigger! Hope this helps.:cool:
 
As you release the trigger, most pistols have a "click" you can feel when you have released the trigger enough to fire another round. This way you dont have to release the trigger completely. the trigger pull shortens and follow up shots can occur quicker. Old m&ps didn't have this. The shield does. Many M&P owners installed a part from APEX to introduce this click, but it appears that S&W listened to the consumer and added this feature.
 
What is important is the "tactile feel". When the trigger is pulled back far enough to cause the sear to release the striker, the point where the gun would fire (break point-boom), the slide then cycles and re-cocks the striker. As you release the trigger, the trigger jumps about 1/32 inch at reset. This is the tactile feel, the trigger jumping. You can feel this in your finger. At that point the trigger has reset and you can pull the trigger back, to fire the gun again. The fact that you can hear the reset does no good in a noisy, shooting environment. But since you can feel the reset, you know when to stop releasing the trigger, for reset, and can pull to fire again.

As previous posters stated, this eliminates wasted trigger movement and speeds up additional shots. You no longer have to nearly fully release the trigger, as you are not sure if the trigger has reset. The tactile feel lets you know exactly when the reset has occurred.

Bob
 
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jackrabbit000 said:
Is it a new trigger assembly or did S&W just add the RAM to it?
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In my last armorer recert they told us that the "new" standard "trigger" consists of the Performance Center sear, a new slide stop assembly and a revision to the trigger bar.

The PC sear would seem an obvious refinement.

The revised slide stop assembly ought to help with the "tactile reset" due to it adding some additional pressure against the trigger bar, pushing it inward (left) with a bit more tension. This has been accomplished via adding an inward bend/angle to the bottom rear corner of the right side of the slide stop assembly. Nifty idea, accomplishing their goal (and answering customer demand) of making the trigger bar snap under the sear nose during sear reset a bit more briskly ... and they didn't have to add more parts to do it. Nice.

The new slide stop assembly also incorporates the yellow (painted) wire spring, which is heavier than the previous springs they've used on the slide stop lever assemblies.

The change to the trigger bar wasn't described in detail, except to say they made a modification to it so the addition of the PC sear didn't drop the trigger pull weight below what the original trigger pull weight was intended to be (since the standard M&P is designed to be a service-type trigger, after all).

Last I heard the "new triggers" were being introduced into the 9/.40/.357 guns sometime late last year, but we were told that due to ongoing testing of the .45 trigger bar's revision, the .45's won't be receiving all of the revision until maybe the end of this year.
 
I wonder if S&W would retro fit our old style M&P pistols with this upgrade? I love the gun but hate the trigger compared to my PPQ. I just don't want to give APEX what they want for their parts. It is ridiculous the price they charge.
 
i just picked up my m&p40c last week. it was test fired in dec 2012. it seem that it has this. i'm happy so far.
 
jackrabbit000 said:
Is it a new trigger assembly or did S&W just add the RAM to it?
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I don't think it's a new trigger assy. I believe it's a new sear housing. Apex says the RAM will not fit in the newer M&P pistols due to redesign.


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I have two full size 9's, one with a firing date of Dec '12 and the other one dated 2010 (both bought in the past month, the older one has the safety). I swear I can't tell a difference in their triggers.
 
I know that last year they redesigned the sear.

I had a .40 FS that I sent in for repair, and when it came back it had the newer style sear installed. The newer style has a more pronounced lip on the back side of it.
I am sure of this because I had an Apex sear in it and I put the OE sear back in before I sent it in for repair. When I got it back and went to reinstall the Apex sear, S&W had installed the updated sear in it.
 
It could be several parts. I have a Shield and can compare that trigger bar to the prior M&P trigger bar. The Shield's trigger bar has a small bump at the front outside, that rests against the side of the frame. The bump is not on the prior trigger bar. This bump forces the rear of the trigger bar more towards the side of the sear. The spring post on the trigger bar is lower, that the prior trigger bar, which also forces more inward pressure to the rear of the trigger bar. These two changes would cause the trigger bar/loop to snap harder into reset, under the sear. I do think that snap is what causes the tactile feel. I have seen posts that the sear face may have changed, but that should have nothing to do with the reset feel.

Bob
 
I took the armorer class in December 2012 and got to play with the updated model. It is like the Apex trigger with the RAM installed with a 5.5lb pull. It is a rolling change and the newer ones will have it. They are nice, I held off on buying the Full size 9 and the Compact 9 so I could get both of them with the newer factory parts.
 
So if I just ordered one from an online retailer who sells a high volume, going in and out of stock regularly, my chances would be decent its the upgraded model? Will know soon.

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Video does not work...

Would be nice to be able to view the video but it just sends me to download the pgm...:mad:
 
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