Gunzilla vs Slip 2000
 

I swear everytime I would clean one of my guns with the good old hoppes #9 my wife would threaten to divorce me. After a while the smell started to bother me also so I picked up a bottle of gunzilla figuring I would give it a try. Then I was talking to a gunsmith and he recommended slip 2000.

The Gunzilla is being used on a M&P 40 full size. It is the only cleaner/lube that has been used on a brand new gun.

The Slip 2000 is being used on a M&P 45 full size. It is the only cleaner/lube that has been used on a brand new gun.

I just started this so I will update from time to time. First impressions so far.

Both seem to clean well and make follow up cleaning easier.

The Slip 2000 is thicker and first impressions are that it might lube better.

i use the slip 2000. i like it. though it is not likely that you will see any difference imo.

Gunzilla vrs.
 

I had this same problem.
With the wife complaining that is.
Have since lost the wife, but I am still using Gunzilla.
So, I will be very interested to see how these compare.
I just don’t know what else could beat Gunzilla, it cleans well and does not smell.
Another odd thing, if any spills while I am cleaning my dogs go for it like its a treat.
I stop them, but thinks it odd, as I can’t see what attracts them.
I have two female Labrador Retrievers , now they are not exactly discerning when it comes to food, but still.....

Love me some Gunzilla! The stuff is amazing.

That is a fascinating two sentences.

My wife does not like smelly things inside our home that our children could breathe in. In her defense, I still had some of the old batch #9 that apparently is a little toxic. Anyway, I switched to the Hoppes Elite, and I use a little spritzer bottle. There is a hint of an odor, but nothing lasting, and it works well enough for me.

I've been using Slip 2000 for some time now and it's my favorite lube. I find it works better on the 1911 than Frog Lube. I haven't used Gunzilla.

I've used strictly Frog Lube on my M&Ps. It hasn't let me down and the guns are super easy to clean after shooting. Even so, I think I'm going to go completely to Slip 2000 when I run out of other lubes. I just like it better and it's non-toxic.

I have used both. I used to be a big gunzilla fan. It cleans very good. But I found out if I leave it on the firearms for a very long time as a rust protector it changes to a thick gunk. Slip2000 cleans just as well and does not solidify.
That is what I use now. Both are suppose to be nontoxic.

Slip 2000 EWL for me. Use it on all my firearms, including my bike chain. Never tried Gunzilla, but have tried several others.

I heard that after I had gotten some so I figured I would try others out as well. Next range trip and cleaning is on sunday

Slip 2000 is the best I have found and I have tried more than most.

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I was convined to use Gunzilla at the NRA show in Houston and I have used it on all of my firearms since then (Daniel Defense AR, Zastava AK, bunch of M&Ps, a few 870's). I love it. On the AR I was having some FTF issues and literally all I did was clean it with the Gunzilla (I used no additional lube whatsoever) and my FTF were reduced by at least 90%. It definitely has a smell but is more of an odd smell and not an offensive one. A little bit of it goes a long way too which is nice considering how expensive it is. I leave only the thinnest film possible and I shoot ALL of my firearms (and clean them regularly, even the AK) so haven't ever had the chance for them to get clotted up.

My wife always complained about the smell of the Hoppes #9 too.
They have another product called Hoppes Elite.
It is a bit more expensive, but it works better and has NO odor.
I have been using it ever since I found it.

Stu

Ok so I went to the range last weekend, did not clean either gun. Went back this weekend got home and cleaned them both. This time I added a new test. After I got clean patches with each one I ran a batch of Hoppes Elite through the barrel.

The Slip 2000 gun.... nothing came out with the Hoppes Elite patch.

The Gunzilla gun.... a small amount of fouling came out with the Hoppes Elite patch.

They both are cleaning very well and it might be an isolated incident that I got some more out with the Hoppes Elite. I will repeat the test at a later date and see what the results are.

I have noticed that Gunzilla does have a smell though not anywhere as offensive as the Hoppes #9. Slip 200 has no smell that I can detect.

I continue to be amazed how quickly I clean the guns with both of these products. I'm using 1/4 of the number of patches I used when using Hoppes #9

I joined the Slip 2000 bandwagon recently for lubrication. Trying it out on my XDm and M&P 10 (.308). Don't know about cleaning differences but my mind thinks both actions are smoother since using it. Could be a vivid imagination. Good luck!

Guys, lest you forget, Hoppes #9 and burnt JP-4/8 are the smells of freedom as jet noise is the sound of freedom. Don't go gettin' all wobbly.

Haven't seen a gun that #9 couldn't clean. As far as lube, get a can of Mobil 1 and some Mobil grease and you've got a lifetime supply, all for under $20.00 total (including a bottle of #9).

Too bas smelly stuff is a problem. I use eezox and I like the smell-the smell of a clean gun that will not rust. I wear nitrile gloves and don't snort it because it is toxic. used to use slip 2000, but that stuff is pricey and no one carried it locally

I have been trying the Gunzilla and it cleans VERY well.

And i lube up with ballistol.

I have read SO much about this Slip2000 stuff.

I recently purchased a M&P9 Pro CORE and I want to get a little grease going on the front and rear slide points along with a better lube.

Would using this option below that Mystro posted be the best for lubing all the main parts with EWL and then 4 dots on the slide area with the EWG?

I have been trying to find better option for lube then Gunzilla and Ballistol.

Here is the exact set I am thinking about buying to lube my M&P9 .....

Every one has a different opinion about which lube is the best, how does one determine that? I don't know. I use Froglube on all my pistols, my competition Core has over 60K rounds through it since June of last year. I clean it once a week, so that's every 1-1.2K rounds. Never had a lube related failure (I had to replace a trigger return spring at around 50K). Does Froglube work better than other lubes? I don't know, I haven't done a scientific test. I do know it's not as messy and oily as Breakfree (my previous lube). Honestly, I think you could lube these things with any kind of oil and they would run fine. Get whatever lube you feel comfortable with and stop worrying about what is the better lube. Go out and shoot your pistol, it's more fun than cleaning it. ;)

Based on the design of the M&P, I'd like to test it with no lube to see how long it took to fail.

I currently have about 800 rounds through my M&P 40 without cleaning it. I just don't shoot it enough to really see how long it will go before a cleaning related failure occurs.

Fan of Slip 2000 and Metal Shield....Slip 2000 passes the indoor smell test better than most!

I've been looking for another cleaner/lube to try. Not much other than hoppes locally, so I'd have to buy online.

There's just something about that hoppes smell though... I can't get enough!

The dogs love it because it's made from squirrel fat.
Seriously, my cat always wants to lick the cleaning towel with Gunzilla on it. Smells great, cleans almost as well as Hoppe's, but I still use a separate lube...especially on Sigs & other aluminum framed guns.
The wife swears I use #9 as an aftershave...she's a shooter so it's a good thing![emoji56]

Ok, almost a year later. Sorry for the delay in reporting in but life has been one curve ball after another lately.

So I'm just using Slip 2000 now.

Gunzilla does work and does work well. The big reason for not using it is the fact that the wife still things it's an offensive smell (I think it's a mild non-offensive smell).

The slip 2000 CLP does clean very slightly better. Note both are much improved over Hoppes 9.

My current routine for semi auto pistol is too dissemble the gun. Run a dry boresnake through the barrel a few times to remove any loose fouling. I then drop the barrel into a small container of 725 cleaner. While the barrels soaks I clean the rest of the gun with the CLP. I then dip a brush in the 725 and do a few passes through the barrel. Dip a swap its of the right caliber in the 725 and run it through. I repeat the brush swap it's until the swap its comes back clean (usually only takes one or two sets). I then dry the barrel with a patch several times to dry the barrel. I follow this with a patch soaked in CLP to put a large coating on the inside of the barrel. This same patch is then used to wipe the outside of the barrel and rest of the gun down. The last step is a final patch inside the barrel to remove any excess lube, lube the gun as directed by the manual and reassemble.

Maybe this helps someone out there.

I am going to have to try the Slip2000. I have been using Gunzilla for a number of years now and I am EXTREMELY pleased with the results...however, it isn't that it has a smell, but there is something in the Gunzilla that burns my eyes. I have to wear gloves to use it, or the residue on my fingers will continue to burn my eyes for hours after I am done.

Squirrel fat? I thought it was made with some sort of vegetable base??

I have evolved from Hoppes No. 9 to Shooters Choice to Gunzilla, certainly the Slip2000 is worth a look based on the comments in this thread.

I have been using Frog for about 2 years now and excellent results just as you are having .. weapons clean easily after shooting with no gum up that I have seen .. have shot some while the temperature has been below freezing with no hint of any kind of trouble !

The competition Core that has over 60K rounds through it how often have you replaced the recoil spring ?

I found Gunzilla to basically be deceiving to me

When used it basically evaporates I guess I dunno ... I like to SEE my weapons lubed and Gunzilla when applied and after use just look like your Bolt or Slide is Dry As A Bone!!!

I have gone back to good ol' Balistol at the moment.

Frog is something I will not use due to the effort the is necessary to clean your weapons ... if I have to heat something up in an oven or pull out a damn heat gun then Ya, count me out SMH

My next venture is going to be FireClean ... TONS of great reviews as of late and seems to really be a top notch product ... we will see.

I use Slip2000 EWG Grease and that works Okay but have yet to use the oil cleaner. I have a small test bottle that came with my BCM complete upper but have not tried it yet.

But all in all Gunzilla is not consistent enough and really a horrible lubricant from what I have concluded.

Castor Oil it cleans your gun right out. Don

I've used Slip products almost exclusively since about 2005. First Slip 2000 and then EWL. I use it to clean and lube. I've run in HOT on AR's in the AZ summer sun and it holds up and keeps on going.

In 2006, I had a buddy get active in the Navy Reserve and in spite of being a long way from blue water, he was assigned to a Provincial Reconstruction Team in a remote province in AFG. A mix of Navy and Army reservists, they were running their AR's pretty much dry and having the expected problems.

I called Slip to see about a bulk purchase of individual sized bottles of lube to send my buddy and his team. Turns out I got the owner and in discussion he said they had what was needed and would ship to the APO. When I tried to pay, he said not a problem, it was on him! He did, they got the products and all worked out. That gesture made me a customer for life.

I've still got some Hoppes #9 and an unopened bottle of Fireclean, but I seldom use the former and have not found the time to use the latter. YMMV

I like that slip 2k is so much cheaper than all the other newer quality lubes, yet it's just as good or better.

I can get a 16oz of the slip 2k gun lube for $20-25... The Slip 2k EWL is $40 for 16oz...

The same amount of frog lube, rand clp and others would be over $60 or more.

Anyone compare Slip2000 to FireClean at all???

My former girlfriend couldn't stand "smelly things" either. So she threw both me and my Hoppes #9 out. Go figure.

Funny you should mention that, I just love to tinker so I'm running that test on a couple of AR's as we speak. I'm even thowing weapon shield in there too.

This week I've been using Hoppe's Elite Cleaner and Lucus oil both of which work well and don't have any odor. I just got a can of Kroll Oil which cleans really well and smells great. I haven't used Kroll in a long time. We get a lot of samples and clean a lot of guns and most stuff works pretty well. I keep a gallon of mineral spirits in a 5 gal pail and spray brake cleaner for bigger jobs.

I have found Gunzilla when used for long storage the lube turns to a hard gunk. I have to use another cleaner to get it off. I use the Slip2000 products now.

Frog Lube. Frog Lube. Frog Lube!

Any Results?

If they ever make it to where I don't have to pull out a damn heat gun just to clean and lube my firearms I would use it ... a CLP should Never have to use other products like that, very stupid IMO.

I know it works but I will not be taking the taking the extra time, product and effort just to use a product that really is surely not much better then anything else by the time it's all said and done.

I never have nor ever will use a heat gun. I just field strip it down and lay it in the sun for a few minutes. :)

See, this is the problem. People don't read or follow directions. Instead they just believe the hype they heard on the internet.

You don't EVER have to heat your gun to use Frog Lube. If you do heat it, it only needs to be done for the very first application. Maybe a heat refresh every year or so. However, cleaning after normal use is just like any other cleaner. The trick is not to leave a bunch on there.

Here's how it's done:
The very first time, heat the gun parts with a hair dryer or just lay them in the sun for 10 minutes. Then slather them with Frog Lube. Let it sit until cool and wipe off the excess.

After the first treatment, just wipe your gun down after a normal shooting session. Trust me, the dirt will just wipe right off.

After 500 or so rounds, use the liquid type to clean it again. NO HEAT NECESSARY. Let sit for a little while and wipe off the excess.

Isn't this how you use other lubes?

I had a bottle of gunzilla in my truck and this winter it was like a solid in the bottle . I don't use it now but I try all lubes out there .

Gunzilla issue
 

I have been using Ballistol and tried gunzilla. Even after 500 rounds it would take about 3 swipes to get my barrel spotless with Ballistol. With godzilla I ke.pt getting carbon swatches after 6-7 passes. It just does not seem to be anywhere near as efficient.
Any others seeing this??

Gunzilla issue
 

I have been using Ballistol and tried gunzilla. Even after 500 rounds it would take about 3 swipes to get my barrel spotless with Ballistol. With godzilla I kept getting carbon swatches after 6-7 passes. It just does not seem to be anywhere near as efficient.
Any others seeing this??

The gunzilla I had when it got cold would get real thick I stopped using it , I think the slip 2000 would be better . I dont use frog lube anymore

The late great Pat Rogers introduced me to slip 2000 in one of his classes. That is all I use now. Going on 8 years now. Works like a champ in the dry hot dusty climate I live in.

I bought a 14 oz can of Lubriplate 130-A for my M1 a couple of years ago. There is enough in that can to grease my Garand for a lifetime.

So I decided to try it on my pistols' slide rails. A small amount goes a long way, and it feels like it stays in place better than an oil would. I got some cheap applicator syringes and packed one with the grease for better use.

I started looking at different oils when my Breakfree CLP started running low; I wanted something safe and non-toxic. I saw that Lubriplate makes the 350-AW oil that is food grade like their grease. I ordered a bottle to try.

The 350 works really well, I find it is a good all-around CLP. I've now been using it for almost a year, and have seen it through cold and warm weather.

I still use the Hoppe's No. 9 for doing the barrel after shooting, but now everything else is the 350.

With the 130 and 350 combination I like that for my CCW (M&P 357c or Shield 40) it is odorless, colorless, and non-toxic and it doesn't migrate.

I use Hornady One Shot HD Extreme. It seems to work well.

I use Militec-1 and a heat gun for the first application, then I use it sparingly like a CLP. Militec-1 is a dry impregnated lubricant, doesn't attract dust or dirt.

MILITEC-1 treated weapons have been tested and proven to be more accurate, deliver higher muzzle velocity with the same load, and show decreased wear at all critical wear points. Also, the weapons subjectively "feel" better in blind tests.

MILITEC-1 has a very low evaporation rate and will not dry out and "disappear" like MilSpec CLP. Firearms remain properly lubricated for a much longer period of time. In fact, MILITEC-1-treated firearms can even be taken out of extended storage and fired immediately with no additional care. It seems to be an unfortunate but unavoidable fact of life that the proper care of weapons is sometimes ignored. MILITEC-1’s long-term lubricating potential helps guard against this eventuality and will allow even badly neglected weapons to fire without jamming. After proper application with MILITEC-1 insures that a weapon will fire properly first time, every time.

MILITEC-1 makes firearms much easier to clean. Since MILITEC-1 seals metal surfaces, fouling and other residue do not build up as quickly. In most cases, a weapon can simply be wiped clean with little effort. This saves a lot of time and frustration and makes cleaning almost fun.

MILITEC-1 is ideal for firearms that are exposed to harsh weather conditions. After proper application, a light coat of MILITEC-1 is highly corrosion resistant - approximately three times more effective in preventing rust than MilSpec CLP. This will cut down on damage caused by damp weather, and makes MILITEC-1 especially useful for firearms carried on motorcycles, bicycles or boats.

A MILITEC-1-treated firearm can be wiped completely clean and dry and will still retain adequate lubrication. That’s right - no liquid lubricant, but still completely lubricated. This is because MILITEC-1 is in the metal, not just on the surface, so the liquid component is unnecessary. This unique self-lubricating effect was used to great advantage in Desert Storm, Afghanistan, Kuwait and Iraq. Clean, dry MILITEC-1-treated weapons continued to fire even in blowing dust and sand, since there was no liquid for the dust particles to adhere to and gum up the works. This same effect is useful in extremely cold conditions where there is no liquid to congeal and slow down or freeze the action.

For clarity, Kuwait was the first phase of Desert Storm, not a separate operation or campaign.

Most of post #47 was lifted straight off militec's website.

Thanks pal.

Personally, I think they should make a Hoppes #9 aftershave.

Please post your testing that shows how a lubricant makes your gun more accurate. Also, show how a lubricant makes a gun "feel" better. If you actually did blind testing it should be easy to post the results.

Never mind. I'll post the answer for you; you didn't do any testing. This, and the rest of your post, is all just marketing hype. No real testing was done that shows this because lubricant isn't magic fairy dust that will make your gun better.