OK so everyone let me know if I am out in left field here. I have a new Shield 9mm (the version with a safety) and it is already back at Smith to be looked at. The issue isn't the thumb safety but the "trigger" safety. At my personal range while trying out the gun, I noticed that if you pull the trigger wrong, the gun either won't fire at all or there is a major hitch in the pull causing your sight to move severely off target. Upon inspection it is easy to see what is happening. If you pull "too high" on the trigger, the tab that extends out behind the hinged trigger will contact the frame of the gun. This sometimes stops the pull completely and others it causes a hesitation until that tab slides off the frame and allows the shot to fire. Either way, bad juju. S&W says it is supposed to do that. Really? And we have everybody and his brother complaining about the thumb safety... I can't believe there isn't more uproar about this. Everyone knows that in a shooting scenario your fine motor skills go out the door, Murphy's law is in effect, and you just plain old make mistakes. And we are supposed to remember to pull the trigger the "right" way on the bottom half rather than the upper half? It seems like a good way to end up with a bunch of dead good guys and S &W circling the wagons against a bunch of lawyers, provided a good guy lives long enough to tell them that they tried to shoot but the gun wouldn't go off. I know I won't trust my life or the lives of others to a gun that won't go off unless you pull the trigger in the approved manner. So, everyone tell me I'm wrong in this thinking.
M&P Shield trigger dangerous?
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Easy fix. One of my M&P's had this problem. The back of the hinge that contacts the frame is a hair too long. I took a small file to mine and took a tiny TINY bit off at a time testing it each pass. It's now perfect and hardly any had to be removed. No big deal.
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yes
this is exactly the way its supposed to work
what you're experiencing is the trigger safety that prevents discharge if dropped
virtually every manufacturer uses this in one form or another
if you're having issues with the shield trigger, maybe it's not the right pistol for you
i firmly believe that the pistol should fit you, not the other way around
ymmv
btw i carry a shield everyday
this is exactly the way its supposed to work
what you're experiencing is the trigger safety that prevents discharge if dropped
virtually every manufacturer uses this in one form or another
if you're having issues with the shield trigger, maybe it's not the right pistol for you
i firmly believe that the pistol should fit you, not the other way around
ymmv
btw i carry a shield everyday
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and don't go filing on it unless you want lawyers circling around you when it goes off after you drop it...
just sayin'
just sayin'
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I did think about filing the tab or frame slightly but decided not to because of warranty issues. I sent it back at the request of S&W even though I explained what is happening to them and I knew why it was happening. They wanted it anyway. I love the way the gun feels and it shoots more accurately than I expected for a small gun. Just don't think I can live with that trigger issue. By the may, I have a G19 and its trigger doesn't hang up on me like the Shield. And I am not a Glock nut by the way.
I did think about filing the tab or frame slightly but decided not to because of warranty issues. I sent it back at the request of S&W even though I explained what is happening to them and I knew why it was happening. They wanted it anyway. I love the way the gun feels and it shoots more accurately than I expected for a small gun. Just don't think I can live with that trigger issue. By the may, I have a G19 and its trigger doesn't hang up on me like the Shield. And I am not a Glock nut by the way.
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While the Glock trigger has the same function, it's not even close to working the same
Just different means to the same end
Personally, I think the Glock is a great gun, but they don't fit me at all
Maybe when it comes back, it will suit you...
Just different means to the same end
Personally, I think the Glock is a great gun, but they don't fit me at all
Maybe when it comes back, it will suit you...
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Guys, the amount I'm talking about removing is something like the flash from the mold. All these plastic parts are a stacking of tolerances that just add up. The trigger still works in the way it is intended. S&W does not intend for the trigger to have a hitch in it of your finger having to yank at the hinge to bump it over the frame's edge. That is very not normal at all. There are no lawyers swarming around when you have any trigger job done and this isn't negating the safety. Jeeze.
1: The OP has described a perfectly functioning trigger safety, which is what S&W will tell him in three or four months.
2: Never modify or disable a safety feature.
2: Never modify or disable a safety feature.
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So the big crunch is normal. You guys are nuts. I'm done.
Smith and Wesson would be the arbiter of that question/statement. As reported by the OP, the "Big Crunch" does not occur with the finger properly on the trigger.
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Ike,
You did the right thing sending back to Smith. This will assure gun is in spec. If it then does not work for you maybe not the right gun for you.
I have no problem with glocks with smaller size 9mm/40/357 size frame. But with larger 45 size frame I was often pushing tab in trigger to the side and trigger would not click until I repositioned my trigger finger. Yes, if I paid attention I could make it work, but this required grip not square behind frame, plus I might forget under stress.
This is situation similar to yours and I simply don't use large frame glocks, but have a number of the smaller frame sizes. Again what works for you.
Now it this were not a safety issue eg you hit or road slide release lever I would say go ahead and try some modifications. But it is safety/liability issue. So if gun you are assured is in spec continues to give you problems I would just say this not right gun for you. Good luck.
Smitty357
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Ah yes, my Shield has went bang each and every time I've pulled the trigger. Maybe I should send it back and see what's not wrong with it.
scooter123
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Now you know why I'll never buy any M&P pistol, if you have "skinny" fingers and take a high hold on the trigger you'll find it's locked. The best advice given here is to move to a different platform. I know from personal experience that Springfield Armory's blade in the trigger approach works for me 100% of the time. In addition I also like the second layer provided by the grip safety.
OP, what you describe is the way the trigger should work. The tab you describe is part of the trigger safety and it is working the way it is designed. It serves the same function as the little lever on the Glock trigger. If you pull on the top part of the Glock trigger you will get the same results as you describe. I prefer the Glock method but I have no problem with the S&P trigger.
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Atticaz
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3 words: Apex Polymer Trigger
Must be why mine works so well, I have fat fingers - to match the rest of me.
Lee in Quartzsite
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Simple fix...trade it for a revolver. But next time first read the manual to understand its proper operation.
OK I would say to not be so hard on the OP, it could very well be that his gun has a defective part.
I would say he did the right thing in sending it back, opposed to trying a fix himself.
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To the OP I do know you can get weapons that are defective & I hope you will let us know how it works for you when it is returned.
I would say he did the right thing in sending it back, opposed to trying a fix himself.
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To the OP I do know you can get weapons that are defective & I hope you will let us know how it works for you when it is returned.
The trigger safety IS NOT A DROP SAFTY! The drop safety is the striker block.
The trigger safety is designed to make sure the weapon does not fire unless your finger in properly on the trigger. It will stop the pistol from firing if you accidentally catch the trigger on something say during a draw from your waistband or out of a handbag. (Neither of which I recommend!)
The trigger safety is designed to make sure the weapon does not fire unless your finger in properly on the trigger. It will stop the pistol from firing if you accidentally catch the trigger on something say during a draw from your waistband or out of a handbag. (Neither of which I recommend!)
