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Anyone want to share some love for the M&P 1.0?
Several years ago during the first big ammo crunch I could not find any 9mm ammo, or any of the other popular calibers that I owned hand guns in, on the shelves in my area. However, .40S&W could be found on otherwise empty shelves every where I went.
So I did the logical thing and went shopping for .40 to add to my collection. I found a good deal on an M&P police trade in (This was long before the 2.0 came out of-course) that looked brand new and jumped on it.
At the time I had no experience with the M&P or any striker fired gun, but felt the need for a .40 caliber pistol and this one fit the bill. I had no preconceived opinion, good or bad, about the M&P. So I just took a chance on it based on S&W reputation and track record.
Turns out I really liked the gun (for the most part, I'll get to that later) and it is still in my collection and I still take it to the range.
At some point, when 9mm became plentiful again, I picked up a Storm Lake 9mm drop in barrel for it, making range sessions more economical.
I love the way the gun fits in my hand and points naturally for me. It came equipped with the basic 3 dot sites which were adequate up until my eye site began to decline with age over the past couple of years. I like the simplicity of the field stripping process. The only real downside to the 1.0 for me is it's awful, long, spongy, gritty trigger pull and mile long reset.
I have not purchased any new guns in a while and figured it was about time that I exercise my 2A rights once again and started looking around. After the initial trauma of the cost of a new CZ75b subsided I got to thinking "I have a perfectly good gun in that S&W if it were not for the ****** trigger, and possibly some brighter sites to better accommodate my old eyes." So I set out to find fixes for these issues.
After a bit of 'interweb' research I have ordering a McCarbo trigger upgrade kit, an Apex Action Enhancement Trigger and a set of Truglow fiber optic sites. I also studied several videos on how to polish the various internal components to smooth out the trigger pull.
I have already received the McCarbo spring kit and am awaiting the rest of the parts to arrive before doing the trigger job. If all goes well, and all the components and action polishing job live up to the hype and users reviews I should be shooting what is essentially a brand new gun. We shall see. I will follow up with a report here once the parts are in, the work is completed and I've had a chance to take it to the range.
p.s.; I prefer the extended beaver tail on the 1.0 over the flat back of the 2.0. I guess if it were a compact pistol that I intended to carry concealed I might be concerned about the added length of the tail, but would much rather have the beaver tail on a full sized pistol intended for range and home defense.
p.p.s; I'ld love to hear from anyone else who has a love for the old 1.0 and what mods you have made to them, and what your experiences with the 1.0 have been.
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I have what came to be called a 1.0 M&P, and still have it after shooting 20K+ rounds in IDPA and USPSA Production. It has a 4#, smooth trigger, and a fiber optic front sight. The rear sight is flat black, as I prefer it. The barrel is 5".
The gun came FACTORY STOCK with these features as the 9mm PRO MODEL. Internal polishing is allowed in IDPA and USPSA Production Divisions. There are NO aftermarket parts in the pistol.
Part failures were minimal: fiber optic rod, trigger spring and striker. The ISMI recoil assembly never failed. I carried spare parts and a spare gun (another M&P that I never used in a Level II or higher match).
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I actually prefer the 1.0 pistols, the grip texture on the 2.0 makes my hand raw. I carry a .40 Shield daily and have a fullsize .40 that is a pretty good shooter, the fullsize has an Apex forward set trigger in it. The Shield has a really nice factory trigger in it that is a good choice for a carry weapon. I don't do mods to any weapon I use for carry. The 1.0 just feels right in my hand.
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I've had a Shield 1.0 as my carry pistol for years. Love it! Has never given me a problem and eats everything I feed it. Accurate and feels just right for my hands. Carry a spare mag and don't feel the need for anything more. No mods needed for me, I like it as is. I keep trying to justify a new CCP but can't as long as I have my Shield 1.0. It's a keeper.
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All of my M&Ps are 1.0.
Bought my Fullsize and Compact (in 2.0 speak, now the Subcompact back) in 2013, my Shield in 2014.
Fullsize wears a 5" ported CORE slide and RMR. Both full and compact have 2.0 triggers. Shield is stock.
I also have a 5" non-ported Storm Lake barrel.
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I have the Compact 2.0, it shoots great but I would have liked a beavertail on it.
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My first M&P was an original, 1.0 if you will, and while it was very good, at the time the grass was greener elsewhere. Here we are a few years down the road with 2.0's and PC's, but my EDC is a great little Shield 9 1.0. The trigger is better than anything I've seen for a while, with only a little polishing inside, it has a solid wall and breaks like a glass rod. The MCarbo kit should serve you well, though Apex is top of the heap. That 1.0 should continue to serve you well for many years to come.
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Anyone want to share some love for the M&P 1.0?
I have the original Shield 1.0 with a seven on trigger. Put over 2500 rounds through it with out any issues. This little handgun served me well for a few years of EDC. It now sits in the safe but every once I a while I dry fire it and might take it to the range. The only thing I don’t like is the slick grip and that is with talon grips on it. The 2.0 grips are so much better.
The Shield plus has replaced the 1.0 but rarely carry it as I would rather carry my compact or metal.
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I still have my S&W M&P 40 Compact, set up with Viridian light, Crimson Trace Laser Grips, and 15 round extended magazine.
One hundred percent stock and unmodified, it is just about the perfect nightstand home defense gun.
With the 15 round extended magazine it feels like a full size pistol in the hand and supplies plenty of firepower if ever needed.
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My first M&P pistol was a police trade-in full size M&P 45. It came with a standard barrel, threaded barrel, and 4 SS magazines. My son manages several local gun stores and he gave me a great price on this M&P, and in return I gave him the threaded barrel for his M&P 45 since I had no plans to install a suppressor on mine. This pistol had great fit and finish, and was an excellent and dependable shooter. However, I didn't shoot it very much, and last summer ended up trading it in for a new M&P 10mm 2.0 (4.6"). I was fortune to buy one of the 10mm without any issues, and am extremely happy with it. I do miss that M&P 45, though!
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The most economical way to improve the M1.0 trigger is to install a competition sear block. You can get them on eBay. I stay away from the MCarbo stuff. Light springs can cause function and reliability issues.
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Due to training commitments and practice I easily have put more rounds through my FS M & P 9 1.0 than any other gun I’ve used. Accurate and no mechanical issues. My only observation is the grip texture on the 1.0 is a little too smooth and the 2.0 too rough. Just a little whining.
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I still have my first gen M&P9c nd M&P45c. I have to admit I haven't shot either one in some time. Usually my range time lately has been relearning to shoot double action revolvers, specifically my new Python and Anaconda. When I do break out a 9mm, its my Shield +, because that is my carry gun these days.
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Due to training commitments and practice I easily have put more rounds through my FS M & P 9 1.0 than any other gun I’ve used. Accurate and no mechanical issues. My only observation is the grip texture on the 1.0 is a little too smooth and the 2.0 too rough. Just a little whining. 
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You, Sir are allowed to whine once in a while. Try the Talon Pro grip on that 1.0. It has the grip of the 2.0's while not being painfully aggressive.
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I inherited this Shield 9. It came with Two 8 round mags and One 7. It carries easy and shoots just fine. When my back gets tired of carrying my XDM 3.8 Springfield, the Shield gets the call.
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Two FS M&P 1.0 40s, one a PC C.O.R.E., the other a regular 4.25" with an extra 2.0 5" 9mm slide and barrel... Also a 1.0 40 Compact.3.6".
9mm conversion & 357 SIG barrels for all three.
The PC's trigger was just great from the get-go. I have an AGENCY/APEX trigger kit but can't bring myself to install it in either of the other two because I like their factory triggers right out of the box.
Bought some 9mm magazines in both compact & FS. Have a CT Laser that came with the 2nd FS that will fit on all three. A Vortex red dot on the C.O.R.E.
I guess you could opine that I'm decidedly involved with M&P 1.0s: only thing to be extra careful about is insuring the right barrel, the right magazine & the right ammo is in place before pulling any triggers...
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Despairing of finding an SW99 at the time, I settled on a used M&P 1.0 in 9mm, it has served well since - without modification - only cleaning. I have no complaints after twenty years of service.
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How do you like the polymer trigger? Have you ever had any issues with it binding up if your finger is not square on the trigger face?
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I have three of the first generation M&P's. Two of them are full size Pro Series models. One is chambered for 9mm and has the 5" barrel. The other a .40 caliber with a 4.25" barrel. The third is a .40 caliber Shield.
The 9mm is bone stock with a really good trigger. It breaks nicely at between 4.5 and 5 lbs with my trigger gauge. It still has the long take up but, being a revolver guy, I'm used to it. The gun has my favorite sight picture, with a green fiber optic front and a blacked out rear. This thing is a tack driver.
On the .40 caliber I replaced the trigger with the Apex FSS Trigger kit several years ago. The trigger is about as close to a 1911 trigger as you can get in a striker fired pistol I guess. The trigger pull is short, crisp and measures about 4lbs. It has the Novak night sights that have lost their brightness now. I love this gun and carried it until I got the Shield.
I've just recently begun to carry my Shield again after several years. It has TruGlo night sights and a dark gray slide. The trigger is stock and broken in nicely and measures right around 4lbs after some polishing in the usual places.
Even though I sometimes play with the idea of getting a new M&P of some variety or the other, I always seem to come back around to the idea that these three do everything I need them too. I still love all of them.!
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My Shield 9 1.0 that I bought in 2015 is one of my 3 EDC's. It took some very gentle hand polishing to remove some tiny burrs from the manufacturing process which resulted in a smoother trigger press with a 5.5 lb. pull weight, which I think is fine for EDC, and smooth operation overall. I did add Talon black rubber grips and several more 8 round mags for my XL hands. I carry 2 spare 8 round mags in addition to the one in the pistol, giving me 25 rounds on hand with the double mag carrier. Only other additions were a CT LL-801g laser/light and TruGlo Tritium Pro sights. Many trainings, lots of range time, no problems, accurate, and fun to shoot. Definitely a keeper!
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We have a m&p 9c , a m&p core 4.25 9mm and my road trip and big city carry is a m&p 4.25 40sw plus a couple 2.0 models .
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I have a 1.0 with Dan Burwell trigger treatment, fibre optic front sight, and Talon rubber. I would not swap it even for a 2.0.
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Love my bone stock 9mm 1.0. Damned thing is almost target quality in my hands
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When the 2.0 came out a LGS had a used but like new full size 9mm M&P.......2.0s were listed at $525. $570 OTD.
They had a "Well this will never sell" attitude and offered it to me at $300 OTD
Added a light, got a Kydex holster on sale at Wilson Combat, couple more mags from Cote LLC and it's a nice "utility"/truck gun pistol at the lake.
Trigger is OK ,fiber optic front sight is nice....... will never replace my 3rd Gens or Sigs in my heart...... but like many have said about Glocks "it's a tool"
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My Shield 9 1.0 that I bought in 2015 is one of my 3 EDC's. It took some very gentle hand polishing to remove some tiny burrs from the manufacturing process which resulted in a smoother trigger press with a 5.5 lb. pull weight, which I think is fine for EDC, and smooth operation overall. I did add Talon black rubber grips and several more 8 round mags for my XL hands. I carry 2 spare 8 round mags in addition to the one in the pistol, giving me 25 rounds on hand with the double mag carrier. Only other additions were a CT LL-801g laser/light and TruGlo Tritium Pro sights. Many trainings, lots of range time, no problems, accurate, and fun to shoot. Definitely a keeper!
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If you need a bit more real estate for your hands, Strike Industries makes a +2 extension that mounts to your 7 round mags making them into 9 round mags. I love them as they eliminate the slip and slide fight with that little extension sleeve on the 8 round mags every time you load them. The Shield above and to the right has the SI extension.
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Update: I ran into a little snafu when doing the trigger job. Turns out my particular M&P1.0 is pre 2011. Prior to Sept.2010 M&P used a very small, 1/16" diameter sear spring and plunger, as apposed to the larger 1/8" spring and plunger used in later units.
So, I could not install the reduced weight sear spring that came with the M*Carbo kit. I did install all the other springs and polished all the internal parts as shown in M*Carbos excellent tutorial video. I also installed the Apex polymer trigger.
The trigger has made a big improvement in pre and over-travel and most of the grittyness is gone. The pull weight seems only marginally lighter right now. I think this is mainly due to not being able to use the reduced weight sear spring.
I have ordered a complete replacement sear block assembly that has a larger sear spring hole, spring and plunger so that I can utilize the M*Carbo sear spring. I'm hoping this will reduce the trigger pull weight and take the last bit of crunchiness out of the trigger.
Stay tuned.
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I bought my bone stock one in about '07. It's been my carry gun and bedside gun since then. Everyone who shoots it raves about how accurate it is. Not a lot of rounds through it but I am lovin' it.
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M&P 1.0
I still run a M&P Pro. 5" 9mm for IDPA. I put the Apex competition kit in it well before the forward set kit was introduced. A Speed Shooters Specialties mag well. I even picked up a 1.0 lower from Midwest Gun Works a few years back in case my original lower (wore-out), well that hasn't happened in 8 years of IDPA. Also I have a 1.0 Shield that I did install an Apex duty kit in. That is my EDC. And last week I picked up a M&P 40 police trade in. I couldn't pass it up. All my M&P's have fiber in the front and black in the back. Oh and a M&P 45 it is a 1.0 also with a Apex duty kit and trigger shoe. Yeah I like the 1.0s!
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Update: I ran into a little snafu when doing the trigger job. Turns out my particular M&P1.0 is pre 2011. Prior to Sept.2010 M&P used a very small, 1/16" diameter sear spring and plunger, as apposed to the larger 1/8" spring and plunger used in later units.
So, I could not install the reduced weight sear spring that came with the M*Carbo kit. I did install all the other springs and polished all the internal parts as shown in M*Carbos excellent tutorial video. I also installed the Apex polymer trigger.
The trigger has made a big improvement in pre and over-travel and most of the grittyness is gone. The pull weight seems only marginally lighter right now. I think this is mainly due to not being able to use the reduced weight sear spring.
I have ordered a complete replacement sear block assembly that has a larger sear spring hole, spring and plunger so that I can utilize the M*Carbo sear spring. I'm hoping this will reduce the trigger pull weight and take the last bit of crunchiness out of the trigger.
Stay tuned.
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Update #2: New sear block assembly came in. I replaced the plunger spring with the lighter one from M*Carbo and polished the sear with Flitz before reassembling and installing it in the gun.
The verdict: Mixed. I don't have a pull gauge so I can't give specific numbers but the trigger definitely feels lighter than it did before the modifications. It is also much smoother, all of the grittiness is gone now. There is still a fair amount of take up, but it's not as noticeable now that the grittiness is gone. Overtravel seems to have been nearly eliminated. The trigger reset point is still a mystery with no tactile or audible clues to alert me where it takes place.
I only completed the work yesterday morning. Family obligations the rest of the day and wet weather today has kept me from sending any lead down range with it yet. I'm looking forward to getting to the range and seeing how the modifications affect my scores on the 6" and 8" gongs. I'm also curious to see if the rock solid reliability has been affected any.
In the end it's still a service grade pistol, now with a pretty nice trigger. I would say that the cost of the Apex trigger and M*Carbo spring kit was well worth the time and cost. However, the unexpected added cost of the newer style sear block, necessary to upgrade the springs, was a bit of a bummer. I think the results will fit my intended use as a range toy and home defense weapon. If I were more serious about competing with it I would have spent the extra dough on a full Apex RAM kit.
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I have a 40S&W v1.0. Also have 9mm and 357 sig barrels. Apex duty action kit installed and will install a flat trigger after the holidays. Also want a fiber optic front sight. This M&P has been flawless after 2-3 thousand rounds. I also have a shield 1.0 and plan to do similar trigger upgrades. Lots of love for these 2 guns!!
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In 2012 I was looking to buy a Shield 9mm but they were not available. The M&P 357c was. My 357SIG came as a Range Kit with S&W Trijicon night sights, three 10 round magazines and a hard case.
I've acquired two 15 round magazines for longer shooting sessions.
To totally round out this pistol package I have a S&W .40 S&W barrel and a S&W 9mm barrel with three 12 round and two 17 round magazines. Love the gun.
I have other pistols so this one only have about 300 rounds through it. Just broke in.
I joined this forum right afterward.
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What's been your experience with the Apex trigger? Do you feel there was a big difference between it and the stock trigger? Did you de-burr and polish mating surfaces in the fire control group when you installed the Apex trigger? Is your reset point tactile or audible?
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I have a full size M&P 1.0 .45 ACP that I bought new for a great price at the local shop. Clerk ordered a large number of them by mistake so store put them on sale. Great gun. Ten rounds .45, points like a Hi-Power, 1911 type Manual Safety, rail.
+p .45 ACP 230 gr. hollow points of every brand/type that I have found , No Problems.
Not really concealable. It needs a duty holster and that's how I carry it in the woods and range.
I haven't seen many compact M&P's around until this past year. I would have grabbed a .40/.357 Sig without a doubt if they still made the .357.
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I have an original......
...Shield 9mm, so I suppose it is a 1.0. How do I like it? It's GREAT! What modifications have I made? None, except painting the stupid dots back on the sights when they popped off after a few months of shooting.
I've still got it and don't plan to get rid of it. However, I did get a Shield 9mm and .380 EZ for my wife. She ended up liking the .380 EZ so I'm sitting the 9mm EZ at this moment.
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What's been your experience with the Apex trigger? Do you feel there was a big difference between it and the stock trigger? Did you de-burr and polish mating surfaces in the fire control group when you installed the Apex trigger? Is your reset point tactile or audible?
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I have a performance center V1.0 with a Apex short reset trigger. While the trigger break isn't that much different than what the PC sear provides the reset is much shorter ~ 1/8" or less. The reset is both tactile and audible but neither is strong or loud. I changed it cause I dislike the whole hinged style trigger but if I were to do it again I might have just changed the trigger itself. I do like the short reset though. Interestingly the trigger ended up weighing in at 1 pound 12 oz.
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My 9mm 1.0 was a stinker.
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Have the Gen 1 Three Bears, full size, 9c, and Shield. Aside from having the gunsmith smooth out the much maligned factory triggers on the Compact and Shield, they're out of the box stock. They all run like scared rabbits and I'm good with all three. Nice as the Gen 2's might be, what I have do just fine.
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My 9mm 1.0 was a stinker.
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How so? Do tell. I had to change the barrel on mine to get it to group.
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The beginning of 2016 I bought a Storm Lake .357 Sig barrel. Based on what I had read on forums, it was a simple drop in conversion just as expected.The Sig was great; I find I had tighter groups than with the 40 and the recoil wasn't much more than before.
A few months later I made another change, a first for me. I took the handgun apart and installed the Apex kit and RAM.
In 2018 I bought a Storm Lake 9mm conversion barrel that was on sale, I now had all three calibers to work with on my compact. The nice thing was, the sights and trigger were what I was used to and had been broken in. And like others have said, it makes it easy to change and compare the performance and handling of each cartridge.
Because Connecticut is a restricted state I could only have ten round mags so I carried the compact as a 357 Sig to have more effective rounds but did most of my range time with 40 or 9mm.
In late 2019 Walmart decided to abruptly and without any publicity liquidate their pistol ammo at fire sale prices. I had the chance to hit two Walmart stores in my area that night after my shift and buy up all the 40 S&W they had - the 9mm and 357 Sig were already gone. I had never bought so much ammo before but the price was just too good to pass up.
Then 2020 happened. One of the few things I could still do when everything shut down was go to my rod and gun club and use the ranges. I was going once or twice a week, and I never had to worry about running out of ammo - 40 caliber that is. If I only had a 9, or God forbid, 357, I would have been screwed. As it is, I still have some of that 40 on hand!
At the end of 2020 I moved to Florida and could finally have mags of more than 10 rounds. I bought an Apex threaded barrel and sent the slide to DP Custom Works to have it milled for an RMR. I now have a red dot and 12 rounds of 9mm, if I want I can carry a bigger mag with the sleeve.
I recommend getting a 40 S&W handgun and then a 9mm barrel and maybe even a 357 Sig barrel. You can try the different cartridges and you have options should 9mm become scarce or expensive.
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I bought a Detroit PD .40 with case, backstraps, and 3 magazines for $310 about 5 years ago. It had a slightly heavy trigger pull but for a gun with no manual safety I wouldn't want it much lighter and the trigger was probably ideal for the average police issue cop gun. I really thought the gun was about perfect till I tried the 2.0 but the 1.0 is still a great gun and I personally like the .40 better than the 9mm for defense and the M&P seems like a perfect platform for it.
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90k through my M&P 40 1.0. For many years I swapped in a 9mm barrel and mag to shoot 9mm through it.
I later got a used 9mm slide for $150 and a couple of years ago I got a new complete frame for $99.
Now I have a complete M&P 40 and M&P 9.
Both have the Apex FSS kit but I kept the original hinged trigger which I prefer.
I have no desire to go to a 2.0 9 or 40 unless I kaboom one of them. These things last forever.
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I'm a known HK fanboy...but I'm thinking about buying one of these and doing what WireguidedMarine mentioned above.
The reliability of the original M&P that rsrocket1 mentioned and the ambidextrous slide release are appealing to me.
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My first M&P was around 2007 or 2008... I heard the range staff on my department was testing them so I bought one. It had some reliability issues and I ended up selling it. Fast forward to early 2011 and I bought an M&P9C for backup and off duty use. I actually carried it as a backup a bit but mostly off duty. Later in the year my previously broken trigger finger started to not work so good and after a time I couldn't pull a DA trigger very well. I purchased an M&P9 and avoided going light duty again.
I didn't say anything about my trigger finger because I was in the process to potentially be promoted to a full-time firearm instructor with the Weapons Training Unit. That ultimately happened in October of 2011. At the time they didn't have instructor pistols (the M&P was, at that point, our issued pistol to recruits in the academy) so I continued to use my personal M&P. During the ~ two months between mid October and Mid December I tracked how much I shot and it was over 15,000 rounds through my M&P... Since I wasn't "on the street" any more, I thought it would be a good experiment to not clean or lubricate the pistol to see how long it lasted. It lasted the whole time with no issues.
In December we were issued instructor guns. I used that pistol for a year (trigger finger got fixed in the meantime) before it was switched out for the "new" 1.0 guns we were getting for the department conversion. I also turned in my issued Beretta 92FS to be issued an M&P as my official duty gun. I bought the Beretta six months or so later once the department was set up to sell them back to us.
A year or so later I ordered and received two M&P9Ls and used them for a long time... but eventually moved away from the M&P platform... sorta.
In 2017 there was controversy and a push to move away from the M&P. I don't know the motives but I felt it was not based on what was best for deputies or the department. As part of my frustration I embarked on a torture test of my instructor gun. It had already gone several years without being cleaned or lubricated... several years and around 30,000+ rounds.
I threw it in a creek. I buried it in sand. Ground it in mud. Started spraying it with salt water every day. Threw it in a deep mudpile. Had a class of recruits shoot a full magazine as fast as they could - one after the other - for around 350 rounds... the gun started to melt the plastic chair when set down towards the end. By the time I was done the original recoil spring had broken a coil (around 35,000 rounds) and I put in a new recoild spring assembly. The pistol had over 40,000 rounds and had only choked when I poured really fine sand directly into the gap between the slide and frame. funny thing was I put a drop of Lucas oil on each frame rail, on the barrel hood, and on the trigger bar tail... and it started running again. That was probably around 37,000 rounds.
I'll admit... the M&P 9mm 1.0 pistols weren't the most accurate, and I wasn't super happy with the bump-loading, but they were frigin' tanks!
Then the department moved towards the 2.0 to "fix" things I didn't think were broken about the 1.0. I was so mad I avoided the 2.0 entirely for the testing process (I recused myself since I was already biased against the whole thing) and refused to shoot a 2.0 for almost a year. When I did it was a pretty big shock... these guns were FANTASTIC! I ended up buying several and then we moved toward optics so I picked up several 2.0s with optic capability and a 1.0 frame to mate to a Simunitions slide assembly for Force-on-Force training. My last M&P purchase before I retired in September was a 5" 2.0 Pro Optic Ready and it is awesome.
All in all, before today - and if my recollection is correct - I've owned 18 M&Ps, all in 9mm, and a 9mm Shield.
Today my wife and I went to a local pawn shop here in East Tennessee and there was what appeared to be an almost NIB .40S&W M&P 1.0 Pro C.O.R.E. for less than $400, which is about as cheap as I've seen around here. I've been really thinking about picking up a .40 as a field/woods gun that can easily transition to a carry gun - I have some .40 ammo since I have a Para Ordnance P-16, but It's not really my idea of a woods gun.
Anyway, it came home and now hosts a Holosun 507C and a Streamlight TLR-7. I may change the light as I think about how I'm going to use it, but I have a decent amount of Remington Golden Sabre, Federal HST, Winchester Ranger-T, Some Speer Gold Dot and G2, and a couple boutique ammo manufacturers, and a few hundred rounds of FMJ to make sure it runs with whatever I decide is going to be the carry load. I'll probably pick up some dedicated animal defense loads too to try.
Lastly, and after reviewing posts above... I'll be in the hunt for a .357Sig barrel... I really like that caliber!
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Wow! Great story.That is really a testament to the reliability of the 1.0. I have a .40 1.0 however I haven't shot it much since the Shield has pretty much taken over EDC duties since my retirement. This thread reminds me that I need to pick up a .40-9 conversion barrel and a .357 Sig barrel for a three in one.
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That was a really great testimonial, SoCalDep!
The 357 SIG barrel suggestion from AppStFan is a truly GREAT one: just remember to double check magazines and bullets EVERY time, please!
Cheers!
P.S. Getting a SS 357 SIG barrel makes it pretty easy to distinguish what's what...
P.P.S. ApStFan: as a MIAMI of OHIO grad, congrats on the ApSt victory in what had to be the WETEST bowl game in recent memory!
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Update #3: I really need to retire so that I have more time to enjoy my hobbies.
Finally got a chance to throw some lead down range after doing the trigger mods. and I have to say that I am in love with my M&P 1.0 all over again. Slapping the dueling tree paddles back and forth with the 9mm barrel installed was ridiculously easy. The trigger is very crisp and lite now, and I much prefer the feel of the solid Apex trigger to the OEM hinged trigger. Wish I had made the modifications years ago.
As a side note, I also got to try out a S&W M22a .22lr target pistol that I had just picked up at a local gun & pawn shop this past Monday. It too has an awesome trigger, coming very close to the Volsquaerten trigger I put in my Ruger MkII Target pistol.
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