I guess the 40 is not dead
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The distributor for my local shop I go to has several S&W polly 40s in stock and has had them for quite a while.
Glad to see they are coming out with a metal one now.
I'm done with M&P's for now until they get their QC together (not holding my breath), but that metal 40 is definitely cool and tempting.
Glad to see they are coming out with a metal one now.
I'm done with M&P's for now until they get their QC together (not holding my breath), but that metal 40 is definitely cool and tempting.
edubbie
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It is to me.
When the .40 first came out, I thought I would love it. I bought a SW40VE full size and a Kahr P-40 for EDC. Just didn't like the snappy-ness of the recoil. This is me and I know others love the .40 but I have a Shield .45 that I love shooting and a Shield 9 that just seems to fit all my needs.
When the .40 first came out, I thought I would love it. I bought a SW40VE full size and a Kahr P-40 for EDC. Just didn't like the snappy-ness of the recoil. This is me and I know others love the .40 but I have a Shield .45 that I love shooting and a Shield 9 that just seems to fit all my needs.
My wife loves her Shield 2.0 in 40. Shooting it side-by-side with my Shield 45 I really can't tell much difference BUT I use 230 grain 45s standard velocity and she uses 180 grain standard velocity. Designer rounds might change things.
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Yendor357
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All things equal, Bigger is better. It is simply physics.
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That's neat, although I really don't care much for the metal M&Ps, excellent news for those who do though.
I'd like to say that it would have made more sense for S&W to revive the Model 4003 and 4013, but the masses have spoken and apparently folks prefer a consistently mediocre trigger pull to a good Double Action followed by a great Single Action trigger.
I'd like to say that it would have made more sense for S&W to revive the Model 4003 and 4013, but the masses have spoken and apparently folks prefer a consistently mediocre trigger pull to a good Double Action followed by a great Single Action trigger.
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There are still a lot of trainers that preach the "any caliber that starts with 4". My training in Cali listed "stops" what ever that is starting with 9 then 40 then 45 being best. Don't know but I can give my wife any of my 9's and she shoots them just fine. 40 is too snappy for both her and my 31 YO son.
mrshyvley
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Each to their own but I've never understood complaints about the .40 being too "snappy".
I'd been carrying for 30 years before I ever bought a 9mm, and that just because I wanted a pocket pistol.
I started out on a .357 Magnum revolver, to 1911 .45, and then to various .40's, 10mm's and .357 Sigs.
These days I carry a .357 Sig, 10mm, and sometimes a 9mm depending on the situation.
I'd been carrying for 30 years before I ever bought a 9mm, and that just because I wanted a pocket pistol.
I started out on a .357 Magnum revolver, to 1911 .45, and then to various .40's, 10mm's and .357 Sigs.
These days I carry a .357 Sig, 10mm, and sometimes a 9mm depending on the situation.
Hardly a scientific study, but I have a few friends who carry .40 platforms when in the non-urban areas. They feel the caliber works for their anticipated needs.
Jakerin
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IAM Rand
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The best gun/caliber is the one you can shoot well, fast, and accurately. I like all calibers as long as they come out of a S&W, just sayin. People that make too much about the caliber are probably stuck in a 2-D world.
IAM Rand
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Not sure why this went to a bear chewing on your leg. Started this thread to say that the 40 was not dead not talking about the best bear gun.
darkpenguin_ak
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It isn't dead and it probably isn't going away here in America, at least for a long time. It IS on its way to becoming a niche caliber though, which is fine. For most people the 9mm does everything needed. That's all.
skwchock
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I thought that the original intent for the 40 was to have a "4" caliber that would be greater than the 7-8 round mag (e.g., 45 ACP in a 1911) -- that was "double stackable" (14+).
When the 40 S&W first came out it struck me as being a modern version of the old 38/40, ballistic wise. I have a few 40 S&Ws and it's my preferred caliber if I'm not carrying a 380 or J frame sized revolver.
That was a happy side effect, but 40 S&W came about because the FBI 10mm load was down loaded enough that the performance could be replicated in a shorter case that fit in smaller 9mm frames.
Though it's commonly repeated that the FBI agents couldn't handle 10mm so they had to create .40 S&W, the FBI specified the '10mm lite' loads before it was ever issued to agents. In spite of people diminishing those rounds as glorified .40 S&W, period JHP like Federal Hydra Shok still performed well in gel tests.
Everyone I have ever met in this life who has said that caliber matters, has never been in a gun fight.
Think about that for a minute.
An ex US marine ( not that that has anytihng to do with it) was hit 15 times with a 45 from his girlfriends ex, and was still able to return fire, and lived to tell about it.
Does that mean we all need to go to a bigger caliber?
https://youtu.be/vViw80If73k
Think about that for a minute.
An ex US marine ( not that that has anytihng to do with it) was hit 15 times with a 45 from his girlfriends ex, and was still able to return fire, and lived to tell about it.
Does that mean we all need to go to a bigger caliber?
https://youtu.be/vViw80If73k
