Ridiculously TIGHT sights

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I recently decided to upgrade the stock white-dot sights on my Shield Plus to tritiums. I had NO idea that removing the stock sights would be such a project! They must put these things in with a hydraulic press.

The sight pusher wouldn't move them. Wailing on them with a punch did nothing. So I ended up cutting them out straight down into the dove tail until they would succumb to the sight pusher.

My question to S&W is WHY?

 
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LGS soaked sights on my M&P long slide two days to get them to move . I hammered the heck and bent a punch on my old Shield.
 
I upgraded the polymer sights on all of my Glock pistols (three). I replaced them with Glock OEM night sights. A bit of Kroil with a sight pusher tool made the rear sights easy to remove. The front sights took a special tool, but were really no problem. Thankfully, I didn't have to resort to a hack saw.:eek:
 
S&W's reply will likely be something along the lines of you shouldn't be messing with THEIR sights.

The real answer is the unfortunate problem with your sights is simply a symptom of S&W's current philosophy----the REAL problem! That philosophy goes like this: We will be successful if we build our products at the lowest possible cost. That following their philosophy of their first hundred years---We will be successful if we build the best possible product for the price.

This change can likely be traced to whoever owned S&W after the ownership changed from the Wessons. I'm not up to date on those changes from then to now---since I pretty much lost interest after what I suppose was the first one------mid 1950's thereabouts?

I doubt there will be a return to "the good old days" for so long as there's an emerging body of customers who don't know any better---or a change of ownership to one who does know better.

In the meantime, I'm glad every single one of the 200 or so S&W products I've owned over the years was built prior to the mid 1950's-----and NONE of them manifested ANY problems whatsoever. That, at least, is something they can be proud of-----if there's anybody left there who's proud of anything besides a satisfactory bottom line.

And now that I've run my mouth---and checked my records, I'm obliged to issue a correction: I've owned six S&W products at least shipped after the mid 1950's--- those being a Model of 1955, a Model 41, another Model 41, a SAO K-38 (Model 14-3), a Model 41-1, and a Model 52-2 (that one shipped as far into the not so good old days as 1980)------and each and every one of them was entirely satisfactory! Dumb luck?

Ralph Tremaine
 
I did give them an overnight steep in kroil which, similarly to the pusher and the punch, accomplished nothing. Taking a hacksaw to an otherwise functional gun is a very strange sensation.
 
I usually take my new guns in to the LGS for a sight install, not that I can’t do it, but they don’t charge me and we BS.

Running joke…my guy who usually does it always hands me back the slide, I ask how much? He says it’s a Glock not a M&P so it’s free.
 
Wow JB, You have more guts than I. Hacksaw? Wow. Well done. Some manufacturers put those rear sights on with a 20 ton hydraulic press, never to ever be moved again. No, there’s no amount of soaking in anything is going to help.

That is yet another reason I’m loving the new CZs. The Shadow 2 Compact comes with an adjustable elevation. Now get a load of this: 2 set screws on the dovetail (for windage adjustment) rear sight. Loosen both set screws, lightly tap the rear sight in the desired direction. Then you lock it down with not one, but 2 set screws. I put a droplet of Loc Tite for good measure. Easy as falling off a log.
 
I can confirm that removing the factory sights on Springfield XDM's required that I purchase a second metal sight pusher tool (a Wheeler "knock-off"), and even then required alternate whacking with a steel punch and rotating the adjustment wheel with a pair of vicegrips...!:eek:

No S&W nor GLOCK EVER even came close!

Cheers!
 
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My son laughed both times I complained about difficulty adjusting sights on a Shield and an XD. He told me a few seconds in a drill press would take care of them ... and it did.
 
I’ve found that applying heat to the sight with a soldering iron helps. They must use some type of adhesive at the factory.
 
Its not just S&W's pistols. The first step in replace the rear blade on a revolver's rear sight is to twist the windage screw screw until it breaks. I think its been that way as long as S&W has been making revolvers with adjustable sights.

My Shield plus came with dead front night sight. They sent me a replacement which I managed to install with a sight pusher but it was tight. As was were the sights on my 2.0 compact I replaced because I wanted something better.

Given a choice between really tight sights and ones that come loose I would go with really tight sights. But needing to cut into them is too much.
 
They sure make them tight. Excessively so

Just drifting my Bodyguard 2.0 rear sight to the right a little was all my sight pusher could do. Even a couple of whacks on pusher with a nylon hammer but eventually it moved .
 
The rear set screws are put in with red loctite. Folks often end up stripping the set screw that clamps the rear site. Most folks use a soldering iron to heat the set screw (and some of the surrounding area) before removing the screw and bashing the sight out.

While I haven't done my Shield, I have removed the rear sights from my full size and compact to smooth out the striker block. They did require some firm persuasion but ultimately respected my authority.
 
My first venture with removing Springfield Armory rear sights was a chore. Soaking them in Kroil overnight made it difficult, but not impossible to remove. It was too much for my sight pusher, so padded vice, punch and hammer were required.
 
Aren't we supposed to be able to adjust our POA/POI via the rear sight?
 
I had the same issue, I gave up and took to a local gunsmith


The "trick" is to clamp them to a solid base like a cast iron /steel saw,lathe, milling machine, something that will not "give" at all. A bench vise will not work.


He tapped them off in 30 seconds!
 
My experience exactly. I upgraded my sights to Big Dots and the rear sight wouldn't budge. Ended up using a drill press - but didn't expect that much resistence.
 
When I changed the rear sight on my son’s M&P I didn’t have to resort to a hacksaw, but I did have to switch to a stouter punch and a bigger hammer mid-job. It was definitely pressed in there.
 
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