So I've started taking my daughter to the range with me and I think the MP15 is a bit much for her. She loves the MP1522, but I want her to enjoy the MP15 as well. I know the recoil hurts her a bit more and the muzzle rise scares her since she thinks she'll hit the ceiling (she's getting better and getting finger off trigger after each shot).

so wanted to ask you experts what a good muzzle break would be in the 100 dollar range. Ideally reduce recoil a little and muzzle rise.

I like and use the Jerry Miculek comp. Works good on my M&P 15 OR.
DPMS Muzzle Brake Miculek 1/2-28 Thread AR-15 Steel Matte - MPN: 60673

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Awesome! I've watched that guys youtube channel for years now and am amazed how fast that guy can shoot. Will order it soon. thanks!

Also consider the JCOMP V2. Love it on my M&P, and it's only $34. Really good brake, and also helps a bit with muzzle rise with the top-side ports.

I'll be the voice of dissent, I guess... How old is your daughter? If she is struggling with the recoil and rise from your M&P, just let her shoot her .22lr. Why push her? Build proper shooting techniques with the rifle she can handle and is not afraid of. As she gets experience, and grows a little, she will be able to handle other calibers.

That $100 would be better spent getting her some time with a shooting coach.

That's true if there isn't anyone to train the girl to shoot well that will do it for free. I taught my kids and my wife to shoot and they all do very well. My daughter is particularly good. She shoots better than I do now.

I have one of these on my .308 and it's amazing: AR15 Muzzle Rise Eliminator .223/5.56 Muzzle Brake AR-15 Muzzle Rise Eliminator Muzzle Brake [MRE] - $89.00 : Witt Machine (the link is for the .223 version)

However, I agree that the recoil is very light from a .223 semi-auto rifle. There are two other possibilities that could be causing her apprehension:

• Noise
• Improper mount/hold

Because the .223 round is quite loud, many people mistake that sound for recoil. I know this sounds weird, but it's a real phenomena.

If the gun is too high in her shoulder, or is too long, this also can enhance the felt recoil. Do you have a picture of her with the rifle mounted?



The instructor in me just can't let this by. By "better" are you saying that her trigger discipline is improving? I ask because a shooter should not remove their finger from the trigger after each shot. In fact, proper trigger control means, trapping the trigger back after the shot and then letting it out only enough to allow the trigger to reset. The trigger finger should never lose contact with the trigger.

Trigger discipline is another issue altogether. Good trigger discipline means having the trigger finger off the trigger when not pointed at the target. If she's still pointed at the intended target, the trigger finger should still be on the trigger.


How old is this young lady?

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Most muzzle brakes will make the gun much louder, than a flash suppressor, with more concussion, to those nearby, because the noise is now directed sideways. Will that scare her?

We go to an indoor range which is usually loud to begin with. She wears double ear protection so noise doesn't really bother her much. She actually likes it when I fire my Mauser 98k which is probably the loudest thing I have right now.

A suppressor on a .223 is nothing but if the only seat at the gun range is next to someone with a big caliber and a suppressor I just pack up and go home. I can't see wasting ammo when I can't hold my aim for the concussion coming from beside me. Certain rifles accomplish the same thing with just the concussion without a suppressor. Certain 7.62×54 carbines (you know who you are) cause similar problems. I don't see how they used those rifles in battle unless they were 10 yards from other soldiers at the time.

I have 586 from the Performance Center that will clear the firing line after a few shots. A rifle with certain types of comps/suppressors makes it really hard for anyone in close proximity.

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So we did a little shooting on Friday with the DPMS muzzle brake and it was much better. She had a great time and the noise didn't bother her at all. In fact, the way the air was blowing it kind of felt like a fan on you every time you fired so was really nice.

I also enjoyed the muzzle break as well and was able to do double taps pretty nicely and keep accuracy. So pretty happy with the results.

Thanks for that suggestions guys.