Okay all, this is coming from a Sigma fan.
I picked up my G17/G3 today. I took it out on the range side by side with my 40ve and shot 150 rounds of TULAmmo thru both.
Glock first.
The Glock mags are not hard to load, I do not know how that became an issue. The Glock speed loader is a pile of ****.
Glock was more like I was using a utility, kind of squeeky, that was the recoil spring though. The Glock is dead on right out of the box, I shot at 10,14,25 yards, bull every time. There is no getting used to the trigger it is light and the reset is great. there is no mistaking a blind man if the gun does not have one in the pipe. The trigger is fully depressed in its rear most position. you cannot pull the trigger at all.

Sigma is one of my favorite guns. It took some getting used to the trigger. Out of the box it always shot low left, but that was a while ago. The trigger on MY sigma is heavy compared to the glock. the 40ve is more of a luxury gun. when it operates you can't feel it like you can with the Glock.

I don't really see how these two guns ever got in a battle of which one it better. The only thing these two have in common is the way the barrel and the recoil spring fit into the gun. The rest is night and day except if you had REALLY poor eye sight and you looked at the body of the guns with the slide off. There really is not a whole lot that is simlar. all the pins are in different places, the slide is longer, the trigger is different, sight are different, rail is different mag is WAY different, etc.. The thing I like better about the glock is the trigger when there is not one in the pipe.
Comparing these two guns is like comparing a Mazda Miata to a Fiat Spider. They kid of look similar from a distance but when you get up close they are competely different.

The chief engineer at Glock in the early 90's went over to S&W and designed the Sigma. Due to the internal design of the Sigma,Glock sued,thus the infamous lawsuit. Remember,this was the only other polymer firearm other than glock at the time.(sans the HK VP70z).
Personally,I like the sigma series better,better fit to my hand and more of a natural pointer,however the Glock is a great design and is proven.Thus,you have both,enjoy and shoot!!!

I'm not knocking the Sigma, but there is no comparison to a Glock 17. If a SHTF scenario ever happened I would grab my Glock 21 or 17 over my SD9 or any other pistol for that matter. IMHO

Why not grab everythingg you had. My G17 is a 9mm and my ve is a 40. and so on. If I were to have ammo for it, its going with me.

I would rather buy an SD next time.

Vector. Looks as though you are enjoying the g17. Glad to here it. It's time for the torcher test.

An older Glock 17 is an investment that will last a couple of lifetimes with an occassional recoil spring change and is a low maintenance,extremely reliable fiream.It is my first choice(or a 19) as a full battle sidearm,if I'm given the choice.

I'm taking beef jerky, bottled water, a pee can and a sniper rifle.

A rifle or a handgun, rifle everytime. A pistol is a compromise otherwise the military would issue them as a primary weapon. As for early 90's plastic dont forget the USP was on the market.

Why? I would not want to look like a fool. I spent good money, my money on the thing. I have no intention of flushing money down the toilet just to prove that i can destroy a gun. Lets see if some other fool will take a torch to their Glock for 30 min and then see if it will fire. I am guessing not. I am not gonna take the chance of loosing my hand be firing the thing underwater or in hydroclouric acid. Thats for the "more" experienced than I. Its just gonna be like every other gun I own. I shoot it, I keep it loaded, its prepared to do serious damage4 to anyone that comes into my home unwanted and just for back up I have my hunting knives incase i want to get a little extra giving to the S O B.

I am curious to know how someone would know this. Glock has not been aroun long enough for anyone to say this. There are only a few gun makers that you can say this statement about, None of them are from that part of the world. 30 years is a short time and those were the original Glocks.

I think he's referring to the longevity of the Glock (especially the older Gen2s) than anything else. The Internet is FULL is torture/marathon runs with the Glock.
I have however switched to HK for my polymer needs, anytime a manufacture warantees a weapon for 25,000 rounds before needing service is an attention getter! Dale

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To me a PLASTIC gun is just that plastic. I dont expect any of my plastic guns to last i only bought them for carry. i prefer all steel myself

I never felt I was shooting a "plastic" gun...my Gen4 G17 felt solid and well balanced with every round I sent downrange! The Glock grip was chunky with the largest backstrap attached (just the way I liked it)...I always had a solid grasp of that polymer grip that never reminded me I was squeezin' a hunk of "plastic" (that thick steel slide and barrel presented good weight ratio, in my opinion). Rugged, reliable, with excellent fit and finish...I totally felt secure if my life ever depended on using it.

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I own a G17 g3

Hey did you hear that a former Glock executive was arrested and prosecuted? Sounds like their business model is as screwed up as their 4th Gen model.

Ex-Glock Exec Found Guilty On Racketeering Charges | Fox News

I try to stay out of these threads but do have an observation:

I've always found it interesting that Glock guys are quick to point out a few things:

1. The Sigma is a copy of the Glock and got sued for it.

2. Glock is the holy grail of the universe.

3. The Sigma sucks.

Well, if the Sigma is a copy, than why does it suck?

I shoot Glocks well but I don't own one. I shoot the Sigma pretty good too.

I'm not going to say that the Sigma is better, but I will say this about it based on my experience.

1. It's as reliable as a Timex watch.

2. When it comes to ergonomics, Glock should copy the Sigma because it is the natural pointer of the two by a landslide.

3. The Sigma is not my favorite gun, nor is it the holy grail but it's a lot of fun to shoot.

There is no denying that Smith copied some things from Glock when they made the Sigma but they did forget something, they forgot to copy the price.

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The Glck has a nice feeling to it once you lean how to hold it. Its not meant to be inline with your forearm. its meant to follow the "life line" in the palm of your hand. The sigma is still my favorite gun though, going to the range with it in 2 hours.

Well said leejack!

IMO If you are a pistol owner and have been owning or carrying for awhile(not a newbie) and have a proper grip. You shouldn't have to "learn" how to hold a gun. It should fit your hand and be comfortable to hold, and shoot. That being said what is comfortable to me may not be to you and so on. If a gun isn't comfortable for me to shoot I'm not buying. I just don't think I should have to learn how to hold a gun all over again.JMO

Well Rich, then you don't have to. I like the Sigma just as much as any of you on here if not more, I shoot mine more. I think there are other guns out there that are ledd comforable than a Glock. The majority of wheel guns for instance. I have large hands and your typical SA wheel gun is not a good fit, I have found the only one that is decent enough to own is the Ruger GP100. I am also thinking about the Super RedHawk .44 Mag. The entire Springfield line has a grip that need some serious re-engineering, the Beretta has a great grip too and it a VERY reliable firearm. They have been around for forever and a day too. Have you thought of of of those, maybe a .22 or a .25?

Great thread. I have personally owned several Glock 22's (and have been "issued" several) and I am a certified Glock armorer. I have also owned a SW40F and SW40VE. Oddly, my favorite to just take to the range or desert to shoot was the SW40VE. Even though the weapon was definitely not built as stoutly as the Glock, I liked the ergonomics and trigger better. That being said, the Glock is my only choice for duty carry (2nd generation).