BG380 buyer's remorse...

SMMAssociates · #51 01-25-2011, 06:53 PM

I can't really get excited about the .380, but I sure wouldn't care to get hit with one either....

Part of the thread mentions multiple handguns - either BUGs or alternate primary carry guns.

BE SURE to avoid the "gun of the month club".... Which is to say that the manual of arms should be essentially identical for everything you carry, or your BUG should simply omit features you've trained up on.

For example, if your primary has a thumb safety, it's OK if your BUG doesn't (or your alternate), but stay away from guns where the safety works backwards compared to your "standard". It's safer to try to snick off a safety that's not there than it is to try to remember which way it goes....

There's one major exception - a lot of the S&W "non-plastic" semi's, while cursed with a backwards safety, are designed so that the safety lever can be considered a decocker, and left "off" when not in storage. Most of them are flat and stiff enough that accidental engagement isn't easy....

Whatever you're carrying - primary and BUG - shoot the fool thing! IMHO, knowing that you need a center hold v.s. "six o'clock" really isn't important, but being ready to change a magazine, or reload a cylinder, is critical.

Regards,

WilliamG · #52 01-25-2011, 09:02 PM

Well I'm still getting excited for next week and picking up all my new guns (including the BG380).

Is there anywhere one can buy a magazine? I've probably called about 20 gun stores, including Smith & Wesson itself, and nobody has any!

pittpa · #53 01-25-2011, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

My uncle says he'd rather have a knife than a .380.

Could he have been more specific? A knife against another knife, another 380, or some bigger gun? Or for the string on the donut box?

WilliamG · #54 01-25-2011, 09:21 PM

He meant if it were a choice between using a knife or a .380, he'd take the knife.

pittpa · #55 01-25-2011, 09:49 PM

Darn, I was trying to be funny. I'm happy when I have my 380, and though I prefer my 340PD, but it is a bit harder to shoot and reload. Tradeoffs. First rule, bring a gun. Too bad 380 ammo isn't cheaper.

hazman · #56 01-26-2011, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

Well I'm still getting excited for next week and picking up all my new guns (including the BG380).

Is there anywhere one can buy a magazine? I've probably called about 20 gun stores, including Smith & Wesson itself, and nobody has any!

bud'sgunshop.com , topgonsupply.com , brownells.com , midwayssa.com ect , ect , ect ...

hazman · #57 01-26-2011, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by hazman

bud'sgunshop.com , topgonsupply.com , brownells.com , midwayssa.com ect , ect , ect ...

sorry , did'nt check my spelling. topgunsupply.com , midwayusa.com .

WilliamG · #58 01-26-2011, 11:14 AM

I'm not a complete idiot. I know all these places, but none of them has any mags in stock.

otis24 · #59 01-26-2011, 11:42 AM

Do not be swayed by the advice of a "gun nut" uncle who may not be as informed. Let your uncle choose the knife of his choice. Load your .380 with the ammo you will normally carry. Take ten paces away from each other and attack. Let's see who prevails. Too many "gun nuts" insist on carrying only the biggest and badest. They look down on anything that isn's as big or bad as theirs. I have a brother like this. What ever gun, lawn mower, or chain saw he happens to own at the time is " the best" and I need to hurry and sell mine and get one like his because "its the best". The reality is that he is trying to convince himself, not me, that he made a good decision. There are some basic truths that you can't change. First and foremost, "Rule number one of a gunfight is have a gun, any gun".

Lost Lake · #60 01-26-2011, 12:45 PM

I know where the gun nut is coming from. He'll tell you that if you shoot 6 holes in a guy with a knife that he will still be able to attack you with his knife.

While this may be true, I follow advice from one of my martial arts masters that is some of the best fighting advice anyone could ever have.

RUN!!!!!

I'll never forget the day I asked the head master, and eighth degree black belt that mostly travels the world teaching law enforcement and special forces fighting skills, for the one move that I could put in my back pocket to always save my buns....

He told me the most important 'move' I would ever learn is to wear good shoes and run like heck. Of course this came with a lot of circumstances, but in a one on one, running away is a very good option!!!!

crofoot629 · #61 01-26-2011, 01:07 PM

No body who ever got in a gun fight ever wished they had a smaller gun. With guns and bullets, bigger is better.

380 may be fine for you. I’m happy with my wife carrying a 380. On the other hand I’m a retired LEO and mostly carry a Glock 19 and a J-frame both. I’m still thinking of running towards trouble, while you and my wife are thinking defensively. There is a difference and that is good to consider.

Emory

hazman · #62 01-26-2011, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

I'm not a complete idiot. I know all these places, but none of them has any mags in stock.

i'm not saying you are, i'm just trying to help a brother out man.

Lost Lake · #63 01-26-2011, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crofoot629

No body who ever got in a gun fight ever wished they had a smaller gun. With guns and bullets, bigger is better.

Can I get an Amen ?

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Originally Posted by crofoot629

I’m still thinking of running towards trouble, while you and my wife are thinking defensively. There is a difference and that is good to consider.

Emory

Once a cop, always a cop. I thank you for being out there and carrying, you make us all safer.

ray45 · #64 01-26-2011, 02:04 PM

Welcome to the wonderful world of ....if I just had one!

WilliamG · #65 01-26-2011, 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by otis24

Do not be swayed by the advice of a "gun nut" uncle who may not be as informed. Let your uncle choose the knife of his choice. Load your .380 with the ammo you will normally carry. Take ten paces away from each other and attack. Let's see who prevails. Too many "gun nuts" insist on carrying only the biggest and badest. They look down on anything that isn's as big or bad as theirs. I have a brother like this. What ever gun, lawn mower, or chain saw he happens to own at the time is " the best" and I need to hurry and sell mine and get one like his because "its the best". The reality is that he is trying to convince himself, not me, that he made a good decision. There are some basic truths that you can't change. First and foremost, "Rule number one of a gunfight is have a gun, any gun".

Right, agreed completely. As of right now, there's nothing that I would carry other than a .380 without feeling super uncomfortable. The PM9 and the new Sig etc are close-ish, but still are considerably more bulky when you factor every ounce counting in a front pocket! If we can get a 9mm with the size, weight of a BG380/LCP .380 etc, I'm all over it!

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Originally Posted by Lost Lake

I know where the gun nut is coming from. He'll tell you that if you shoot 6 holes in a guy with a knife that he will still be able to attack you with his knife.

While this may be true, I follow advice from one of my martial arts masters that is some of the best fighting advice anyone could ever have.

RUN!!!!!

I'll never forget the day I asked the head master, and eighth degree black belt that mostly travels the world teaching law enforcement and special forces fighting skills, for the one move that I could put in my back pocket to always save my buns....

He told me the most important 'move' I would ever learn is to wear good shoes and run like heck. Of course this came with a lot of circumstances, but in a one on one, running away is a very good option!!!!

Running is definitely the best, especially if you're capable of running and shooting your assailant at the same time.

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Originally Posted by crofoot629

No body who ever got in a gun fight ever wished they had a smaller gun. With guns and bullets, bigger is better.

380 may be fine for you. I’m happy with my wife carrying a 380. On the other hand I’m a retired LEO and mostly carry a Glock 19 and a J-frame both. I’m still thinking of running towards trouble, while you and my wife are thinking defensively. There is a difference and that is good to consider.

Emory

I appreciate your dedication. As do we all, no doubt.

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Originally Posted by hazman

i'm not saying you are, i'm just trying to help a brother out man.

LOL, yes, except I'd already said I'd called these places! (Well, I wasn't specific, but yeah!). Feel free to list a place or two that actually has the BG380 mags in stock.

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Originally Posted by Lost Lake

Can I get an Amen ?

Once a cop, always a cop. I thank you for being out there and carrying, you make us all safer.

No doubt!

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Originally Posted by ray45

Welcome to the wonderful world of ....if I just had one!

That's what my wife regretfully says when we're about to... Wait, where were we?

Lost Lake · #66 01-26-2011, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ray45

Welcome to the wonderful world of ....if I just had one!

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

That's what my wife regretfully says when we're about to... Wait, where were we?

Well they have pills for that now....

Even ones you take daily so you're always prepared like a good scout should be!!!

SMMAssociates · #67 01-26-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Lost Lake

Once a cop, always a cop. I thank you for being out there and carrying, you make us all safer.

+1 for Emory on that!

And a story....

I once told a friend that you've been on the job way too long when you're traveling down the road, see an Officer make a stop, pull in behind for a backup, and then realize you're in the wrong state....

He agreed.... As did another buddy (retired Lieutenant with a local PD), who admitted having actually done it. 'Course, he had an excuse. His town (in OH) sort of wrapped around a salient from PA, and it was sometimes easier to get from one place to another in his town by cutting through PA. Used to be able to spot PA license plates, but.... (He also may be responsible for the border patrol stations there now

....)

Back on topic again, my view is that placement is really king once you get a round that'll do enough penetration to be potentially useful. My problem is that a well placed .4x may be sufficient, but unless you're practiced up with it, you may not be able to get a follow-up onto the target. With a decent sized 9mm (or a large .380), this should be a LOT easier, but I'm not sure that the mini-.380's (like my P3AT) are going to be much help there. I don't trust my PPK/S, which isn't mini at all.... I do trust an M&P9C or M&P40C, although the latter is a bit snappy. I also trust (EDC) a small 1911, although it's a serious training issue with the .4x's....

If you can live with the larger size, an M&P9C or PPS9 may be the best choice for the newcomer. It's just going to shoot well.... (Same for the XD9SC.) You really have to work at the small .380's, and the .4x's....

Just IMHO, but while I have a P3AT, I'd much rather have an M&P9C with me, and even more so a .4x....

Regards,

Reggie Dunlop · #68 01-27-2011, 03:31 AM

The "Shot placement is more important than power." statement is pure HS. It may be true in hunting where your target doesn't know you want to shoot it, but when your heart and brain are racing because some azzwhole is trying to kill you or a loved one, all you'll be thinking about is getting off as many shots as you can to thwart the threat. What if you have to shoot through something like a door or windshield or furniture to stop the threat on your life or save the life of someone else? You still want a .380 for that? If there is more than one attacker will you still get that chance for "Good shot placement" when you're crapping your pants and trying to stop the first one. Then there are the scenarios in which you do not have a good shot at a vital area, what then? Wait for the clean shot like you would hunting a deer? Now let's suppose the bad guy gets his hands you and you manage to get your gun in your hand while your struggling with him. Still happy that you got a .380 when you press that weapon against your assailant and fire it? And what about that shot placement thing in this case? There are just times when you will have to take the only shot that's available to you.
It may be somewhat cliché, but there are two kinds of gun owners in the world; those who own a .380 and those who won't.

WilliamG · #69 01-27-2011, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

The "Shot placement is more important than power." statement is pure HS. It may be true in hunting where your target doesn't know you want to shoot it, but when your heart and brain are racing because some azzwhole is trying to kill you or a loved one, all you'll be thinking about is getting off as many shots as you can to thwart the threat. What if you have to shoot through something like a door or windshield or furniture to stop the threat on your life or save the life of someone else? You still want a .380 for that? If there is more than one attacker will you still get that chance for "Good shot placement" when you're crapping your pants and trying to stop the first one. Then there are the scenarios in which you do not have a good shot at a vital area, what then? Wait for the clean shot like you would hunting a deer? Now let's suppose the bad guy gets his hands you and you manage to get your gun in your hand while your struggling with him. Still happy that you got a .380 when you press that weapon against your assailant and fire it? And what about that shot placement thing in this case? There are just times when you will have to take the only shot that's available to you.
It may be somewhat cliché, but there are two kinds of gun owners in the world; those who own a .380 and those who won't.

LOL. Ever heard of a fallacy called "appeal to fear?" Nice job on it, and thanks for the laugh.

pedropcola · #70 01-27-2011, 03:34 PM

Obviously if you are in a gunfight you would prefer to have more than a pistol also. A lot of these comments are wickedly obvious and miss the point. What is also obvious is that every situation has its own solution(s). Middle of summer, shorts, t shirt, flip flops, I can't strap on much. A pocket gun is a very valid solution, albeit not an ideal one. If you can only have one gun this probably isn't the best choice for all. If you have the means, it is probably a reasonable choice at times. As a LEO you also have the "get out of jail free" card if you print. Most of us don't have that option. Ideal? Of course not, but definitely has its place in the list of options.

Reggie Dunlop · #71 01-27-2011, 03:46 PM

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LOL. Ever heard of a fallacy called "appeal to fear?" Nice job on it, and thanks for the laugh.

Obviously you fall solidly in the first group.

seattleM29 · #72 01-27-2011, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

Hey all!

So on Friday I "bought" my BG380 (have to wait 5 days to pick it up in WA State) for conceal/carry.

William you do know in WA if you have your CPL that there is no waiting period to buy any guns. If you have your permit you just show it to the dealer and he takes care of the rest after you fill out your 4473, pay your money and walk out the door. If you don't already have your permit it doesn't take long to get it.

As to a .380 not being good enough-it's good enough if you hit a vital zone and use quality ammo. You need to practice with your new gun. For years people kept saying the .380 won't do the job yet there are plenty of .380 loads on the market that meet or exceed some standard .38 Special loads. The .380 is no instant death ray though--save a shot right through the nose between the eyes all the way to the brain stem.

If you NEED and WANT a lot of penetration from your .380 try Buffalo Bore's +p 100 grain hard cast bullet loaded to 1150fps/294 ft lbs. They are claiming 20+ inches of penetration out of this load. There is a trade off though because there will be a definate increase in recoil. I've been using Hornady CD's in my LCP and the recoil is enough for me--I like Buffalo Bore ammo too but I'll have to see if I can hang onto the LCP with that 100 grain load.

WilliamG · #73 01-27-2011, 04:06 PM

Thanks seattleM29. I'm a permanent resident, and while I have applied (last week) for my CPL, I was told by the gun store that there would still be a waiting period. Heck, they wouldn't even let me take my shotgun home with me!

Lost Lake · #74 01-27-2011, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by seattleM29

If you NEED and WANT a lot of penetration from your .380 try Buffalo Bore's +p 100 grain hard cast bullet loaded to 1150fps/294 ft lbs.

Wow

300 lbs from a .380? That's 9mm territory!!!

WilliamG · #75 01-27-2011, 08:26 PM

How safe is it to put +p through the BG380?!

wallacem · #76 01-28-2011, 12:07 PM

give me a 22 over a knife anyday. Your 380 will be a great gun. It is not quite as powerful as a 9mm, but it is more than many smaller cals. Learn to be comfortable with it, and shoot them several times. A 380 is similar to a 38 spl., another good round(didn't say perfect). Wallacem in Ga

Smith Man · #77 01-28-2011, 10:36 PM

Anything less than 9mm is considered under powered for adequate self defense. Even just for target pratice the ammo is higher priced. Other than being slightly smaller, I see no advantage in the 380. Sig has a new P290, Kahr P9, Ruger PC9 all in 9mm and very compact. I am hoping S&W will catch on and do the same.

WilliamG · #78 01-28-2011, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Smith Man

Anything less than 9mm is considered under powered for adequate self defense. Even just for target pratice the ammo is higher priced. Other than being slightly smaller, I see no advantage in the 380. Sig has a new P290, Kahr P9, Ruger PC9 all in 9mm and very compact. I am hoping S&W will catch on and do the same.

The Kahr PM9 is nowhere near the same size as the BG380, though. Every ounce, inch counts when it's in your front pocket. As soon as a 9mm is available in BG380 size, count me in. Until then...

frbeall · #79 01-29-2011, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

What is your preference for defensive .380 ammo?

For personal protection I keep Hornady Critical
defense ammo in my mustang. I wouldn't want to be on the receiving end of them. As far as an ineffective caliber is concerned, I guarantee it will stop aggression. Keep the .380 and buy something else too. .380 is very comfortable for concealment.

Anton Chigurh · #80 01-29-2011, 09:15 PM

Kahr's have all sorts of issues. Reliabilty issues.
The Kimber Solo is 17 oz of 9mm, not much bigger dimensionally than the BG, but out of a 2.5 inch bbl, how much of a 9mm do you really have?
Sort of why a lot of people are stupid happy with .38 +P in their J frames, and don't go with noisier, snappier .357s.
AND you get a laser

Relax, not likely you'll ever have to use it in a critical situation, and if you do, it will be at less than 15 feet. At that range, a .22 Mag would do alright.
Which is what Bill Jordan opined, some years ago

Goffman · #81 01-30-2011, 02:04 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

The Kahr PM9 is nowhere near the same size as the BG380, though. Every ounce, inch counts when it's in your front pocket. As soon as a 9mm is available in BG380 size, count me in. Until then...

I own both, and they look awfully similar in size when viewed in pictures, but there definitely is a difference in practical size and "bulk" between the PM9 and the BG380.

WilliamG · #82 01-30-2011, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Goffman

I own both, and they look awfully similar in size when viewed in pictures, but there definitely is a difference in practical size and "bulk" between the PM9 and the BG380.

I wish there were a 9mm the same size as the BG380, that's for sure! I mean who wouldn't pick a 9mm over a .380 if the gun were the same size?

Goffman · #83 01-30-2011, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Lost Lake

I just posted this in another thread, it's great information from the FBI. Their study says the number one consideration is to have a bullet that will penetrate a body at least 12". After that, the bigger bullet always wins.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/pdf/fbi-hwfe.pdf

Excerpt:

Goddard amply proves the fallacy of "knock-down power" by calculating the heights (and
resultant velocities) from which a one pound weight and a ten pound weight must be dropped to equal the
momentum of 9mm and .45ACP projectiles at muzzle velocities, respectively. The results are revealing.
In order to equal the impact of a 9mm bullet at its muzzle velocity, a one pound weight must be dropped
from a height of 5.96 feet, achieving a velocity of 19.6 fps. To equal the impact of a .45ACP bullet, the
one pound weight needs a velocity of 27.1 fps and must be dropped from a height of 11.4 feet.

And the final recommendation after 16 pages:

Kinetic energy does not wound. Temporary cavity does not wound. The much discussed "shock"
of bullet impact is a fable and "knock down" power is a myth. The critical element is penetration. The
bullet must pass through the large, blood bearing organs and be of sufficient diameter to promote rapid
bleeding. Penetration less than 12 inches is too little, and, in the words of two of the participants in the
1987 Wound Ballistics Workshop, "too little penetration will get you killed." Given desirable and
reliable penetration, the only way to increase bullet effectiveness is to increase the severity of the wound
by increasing the size of hole made by the bullet. Any bullet which will not penetrate through vital organs
from less than optimal angles is not acceptable. Of those that will penetrate, the edge is always with the
bigger bullet.

I'm going to have to do some calculations to check the figures presented by the author of the paper provided at the link above because some of the figures don't pass the common sense "smell" test of reality. The author suggests that the momentum (not kinetic energy) of a typical 9mm bullet is the same as a 10-pound weight dropped from 0.72 inches (yes, less than three-quarters of an inch) above the ground. I can go to the gym and drop a 10-pound weight on my toe from several inches, and, at worst, it will sting for a minute. Maybe I have a poor conceptual understanding of "momentum", but something doesn't seem right about the author's figures.

Are there any physics instructors in this thread who can verify the author's figures and save me the trouble of looking up the calculations?

Goffman · #84 01-30-2011, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

I wish there were a 9mm the same size as the BG380, that's for sure! I mean who wouldn't pick a 9mm over a .380 if the gun were the same size?

It's a conundrum. There are some promisingly small 9mm handguns noted in other posts here (e.g., Sig P290, Kahr PM9, Ruger LC9), but all of them evidence some degree of additional bulk relative to the pocket-sized 380s. One should use the term "never" sparingly, but I suspect that we may not see a 9mm that is the same size as the pocket-sized 380s until the next generation of firearms materials comes to fruition, as we have seen with the scandium/aluminum alloy & titanium revolvers (which, admittedly, altered the weight only and not the size).

Robinett_11B · #85 01-30-2011, 02:31 AM

I would of saved my pennies and went with the PM9 or spent less and bought a Ruger LCP if I really wanted a pocketable .380......both of S&W's new "Bodyguards" don't really do it for me, personally.

carbuncle · #86 01-30-2011, 03:03 AM

In Washington State if you have a concealed carry permit you don't need to wait the 5 days, that's pretty much the only reason I have mine since I carry very rarely. Tread carefully, WilliamG.

WilliamG · #87 01-30-2011, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by carbuncle

In Washington State if you have a concealed carry permit you don't need to wait the 5 days, that's pretty much the only reason I have mine since I carry very rarely. Tread carefully, WilliamG.

I'm going to tread extremely carefully. I'm a permanent resident, and my gun store told me it will still be a 5-day wait, even with the CCW permit.

Is that true? I can't find anything about CCW and Washington State rules.. very frustrating!

All help appreciated!

Anton Chigurh · #88 01-30-2011, 10:54 AM

A fair number of people in NC get a CCW not so much to carry, but so as to be able to forget about permits, and just buy a handgun THAT DAY.
Never heard of having to wait if one has a CCW, but your state is far away. Now if you were CA, or MA, etc..................

carbuncle · #89 01-30-2011, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

I'm going to tread extremely carefully. I'm a permanent resident, and my gun store told me it will still be a 5-day wait, even with the CCW permit.

Is that true? I can't find anything about CCW and Washington State rules.. very frustrating!

All help appreciated!

No problem: the Washington CCW let's you buy and walk as long as you pass the background check. I'm out and about, I'll post a link to the RCWs when I get on the computer later.

WilliamG · #90 01-30-2011, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by carbuncle

No problem: the Washington CCW let's you buy and walk as long as you pass the background check. I'm out and about, I'll post a link to the RCWs when I get on the computer later.

Thank you. I did find a lot of RCWs, but none addressing permanent residents and wait periods. Heck, the ATF site even says I can't carry without doing the alien permit, which is no longer true in WA State.

frankjg · #91 01-30-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by WilliamG

I'm going to tread extremely carefully. I'm a permanent resident, and my gun store told me it will still be a 5-day wait, even with the CCW permit.

Is that true? I can't find anything about CCW and Washington State rules.. very frustrating!

All help appreciated!

Your LGS should have a copy available of the Washington Gun Laws. If you have a CC permit there is no waiting period.

Here is a site that has all the up to date state gun regulations gunlaws.com / Bloomfield Press

Here are the actual laws themselves http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.41

carbuncle · #92 01-30-2011, 06:48 PM

Here's the statute, specifically: RCW 9.41.090: Dealer deliveries regulated ? Hold on delivery..

RCW 9.41.090
Dealer deliveries regulated — Hold on delivery.

(1) In addition to the other requirements of this chapter, no dealer may deliver a pistol to the purchaser thereof until:

(a) The purchaser produces a valid concealed pistol license and the dealer has recorded the purchaser's name, license number, and issuing agency, such record to be made in triplicate and processed as provided in subsection (5) of this section. For purposes of this subsection (1)(a), a "valid concealed pistol license" does not include a temporary emergency license, and does not include any license issued before July 1, 1996, unless the issuing agency conducted a records search for disqualifying crimes under RCW 9.41.070 at the time of issuance;

(b) The dealer is notified in writing by the chief of police or the sheriff of the jurisdiction in which the purchaser resides that the purchaser is eligible to possess a pistol under RCW 9.41.040 and that the application to purchase is approved by the chief of police or sheriff; or

(c) Five business days, meaning days on which state offices are open, have elapsed from the time of receipt of the application for the purchase thereof as provided herein by the chief of police or sheriff designated in subsection (5) of this section, and, when delivered, the pistol shall be securely wrapped and shall be unloaded. However, if the purchaser does not have a valid permanent Washington driver's license or state identification card or has not been a resident of the state for the previous consecutive ninety days, the waiting period under this subsection (1)(c) shall be up to sixty days.

WilliamG · #93 01-30-2011, 06:57 PM

Yes, thank you I found all this information. But it makes no mention of specificities to permanent residents. In fact, it's so badly written that it makes it look like ALL (a), (b) and (c) and so on have to be fulfilled to take a handgun home with you. It's appallingly written.

frankjg · #94 01-30-2011, 07:10 PM

Section 5 I believe answers the question. This occurs during the validation by the FFL seller while you are waiting for approval. He usually does this by phone as you wait.

WilliamG · #95 01-30-2011, 07:24 PM

Well that's not what my FFL says. I guess the only way to find out is to actually do it!

After I get my CPL/CWL/whatever-the-heck-else-it's-called, I'll try and buy another gun.

I mean heck, it's an excuse to buy another, right?