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Shorty 45

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What exactly would one be worth? Seller says unfired and such. I love the size of the pistol and just helped my father snag a beautiful 4513 when I stumbled upon the PC4513 online.

Price seems high to me but I don't honestly know the valuation of one of these pistols in that condition. Thanks for the help.
 
well that happens to be my one and only on the so named "graiL" gun list....forum member Shorty 45 mk has one and I gave him a standing offer to trade any gun I have for it....and I have some decent 3rd. gens and a couple of Sig 45's that are in the $700+ range...both have 7 Sig mags....which in reality probably bumps them another buck and a half....demand exceeds supply of a gun no longer produced....it comes down to the math...2+2= a starting price at about a grand and goes up from there
 
A nice Shorty 45 no box would go for around $700 or $800 around here. Unfired with box would go over $1k quite easily. JMHO.

Seller claims unfired, NIB, factory box and factory wrapping paper still included. Two mags.

How much higher would that take it than $1k?
 
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If it is NIB with all the factory goodies $1200 probably wouldn't be out of line as only 640 of them were made. They are great pistols and I love my MK2 version but personally I wouldn't buy a NIB one unless it was under a thousand as I shoot every gun I own so I'd look and see if I couldn't find a lightly used one unless you purely want to collect it and not fire it. Just my .02 cent and probably worth less. :D

Please post photos if you get it.
 
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If it is NIB with all the factory goodies $1200 probably wouldn't be out of line as only 640 of them were made. They are great pistols and I love my MK2 version but personally I wouldn't buy a NIB one unless it was under a thousand as I shoot every gun I own so I'd look and see if I couldn't find a lightly used one unless you purely want to collect it and not fire it. Just my .02 cent and probably worth less. :D
Clearly, Shorty 45 knows his Shorty 45's! :D

I hope (pray? beg?) to find a nice one someday for maybe $700 to $900... but it won't be brand-new-unfired-in-original-box-with-all-papers, etc. I can absolutely guarantee that! :D

As I've said before, my experience tells me that "brand-new-unfired-in-original-box-with-all-papers" brings a huge premium price to almost any 3rd Gen that I could never afford. :o It's a lesson that has repeated itself several times in the last year. :( A man's got to know his limitations and I sure as heck know mine. :rolleyes:

I'd say that a Shorty .45 in that (unfired-in-box) condition could easily bring $1,100 to $1,250 and possibly beyond. Folks out there with deep pockets and a lust for the absolute rarest and best won't let a few hundred dollars stand in their way. :)
 
Unless you have your heart set on a Shorty, you might want to consider a CS45. I picked one up in 90%+ condition with 2 mags and no box for $425 out the door.
 
Their only unfired until you shoot them. For the asking price you could pick up a very nice 1911. Just something to think about.
 
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I'll throw in on this one just to add another opinion, for what it's worth.

For a long time, back a year or so ago when I had been looking for one, Shorty45s seemed to never come up for auction. I looked for one for months -- literally -- before happening upon one totally by accident at my LGS. No box or papers, and only one mag, but I snapped it up for what was an outrageously good price (though not as good as the one Shorty45Mk2 paid for his!)

Since then, say for the past six months or so, I've started seeing them come up on GB from time to time. Folks definitely are testing the waters of pricing on these, and trying not to leave any money on the table in the process. From what I have seen, and how I evaluated my own pistol when I sold it recently by necessity, a used Shorty 45 (and it doesn't seem to matter if it's the original version or the Mark 2) with a couple of mags and no box, is worth at least $900. That indicates to me that a new-in-box example should be worth at least $1,200.

As Shorty45Mk2 pointed out, with only 640 of these produced, the rarity of this outstanding pistol and the renewing interest in 3rds Gens in general and PC 3rd Gens in particular, means that a collector might pay upwards of $1,500 or so for one, but a shooter might not go that high. Still $1,200 to $1,500 is entirely reasonable, I think.

I also agree with Shorty45Mk2 that buying a brand new one with the intention of shooting it is an expensive proposition, and that waiting to find one that has been fired is much preferable. At the same time -- and this will sound like heresy, but it is my opinion -- a good 4513TSW will do anything that a Shorty 45 will do. Both are wonderful guns, and the cachet of the Shorty 45 is undeniable, but S&W really knew what it was doing with these two pistols.

Gone but not forgotten: Smith and Wesson Shorty 45
 
If I were to buy it I intend to shoot it. I have a few very pricey 1911s and they are shot, often. The buyer is asking nearly $1,400.00 and that, for me, is more than I am willing to pay for a pistol that will be shot and carried.

I have had a 4513TSW and sold it last year. Probably shouldn't have but such is life. The Short 45 and PC guns have a special place in my heart for some reason. I'm really interested in both the shorty and the 4563CQB version but neither seems to appear very often.

I think I will have to pass on this example and maybe I'll get lucky and find a more reasonably priced one in the future.
 
I know this is an old thread, but I saw one today bnib original everything.
Asking price was $1550, seemed right to me. If I wasn't working on night vision it would be in the safe right now.
 
I know this is an old thread, but I saw one today bnib original everything.
Asking price was $1550, seemed right to me. If I wasn't working on night vision it would be in the safe right now.
Holy Necro-thread, Batman!

That said, ... how many mags come with this old dog?

Often times the mags for 3rd Gens like that are harder to source than the gun itself, and really spendy when you do find one.
 
You can also look for a Recon45 . I really enjoy mine , as I'm sure anyone that has one can say the same . I've never had a Shorty45 , but the bible calls the Recon45 an enhanced version of the Shorty45 . Something to think about if you're looking for a PC piece of the same size .
 
Holy Necro-thread, Batman!

That said, ... how many mags come with this old dog?

Often times the mags for 3rd Gens like that are harder to source than the gun itself, and really spendy when you do find one.
The seller said it came with everything from the factory, so I'm assuming two.
 
I am happy seeing this original post alive again. I wasn’t a member here when it was first started and wouldn’t have had that much to contribute anyway. I’m sad cause “vigil617” has gone on a, (hopefully non permanent,) hiatus.

I’ve had range time with my Shorty 45 MKII, and can honestly say it is well worth the time and money I spent to get. It’s a gem. (Thanks again “b_san”.)

I feel that the 45 Recon’s are nice pistol’s but more of a novelty. Enhanced Shorty = extended/ported barrel, front slide serrations and the spring loaded modified safety/de-cocker. Just my opinion but the only “enhancing” difference is the safety/de-cocker. Will I sell it or modify it? No, no way.

I must agree that the 45TSW’s are amazing pistols. They received special attention when they were build. Actually the latter ones have the major parts co-witnessed/numbered to keep parts together. (Thanks again to 18DAI for giving me a heads up on the non-railed railed one.) They are tight, well finished, very accurate and 1/3rd the price of the PC examples.

Jim
 

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The value of a Shorty 45 is personal to those who have one and those who want one. The price you have to pay to get one is determined by supply and demand. I have the Shorty 45, the Shorty 45 mk2, and the 45 Recon. They are the same basic pistol. The Shorty 45 has a single side decocker/safety, the Shorty 45 mk2 has an ambi safety/decocker and LPA adjustable rear sights, and the 45 Recon is decock only with front slide serrations and a 4.25" ported barrel. I prefer the decock only and like the front slide serrations, but the ported barrel had to go. I had the PC chop it off. Now the 45 Recon is perfect for me.


They are all like new and have been shot but not by me. I shoot a 4516-2 with decock only for qualification and range practice. I carry the non-railed 4513TSW with decock only for self defense.



I keep in touch with the market by searching regularly for PC pistols and can state that a NIB Shorty 45 will cost you north of $2,000 in today's market. I saw one online yesterday at a well known dealer for $2,750. Would I sell mine for that? No, unless it was necessary to deal with a life issue.


Value or Price = High:D


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I keep in touch with the market by searching regularly for PC pistols and can state that a NIB Shorty 45 will cost you north of $2,000 in today's market. I saw one online yesterday at a well known dealer for $2,750. Would I sell mine for that? No, unless it was necessary to deal with a life issue.
Value or Price = High:D
Red Cardinal, if your well known dealer is Houston based, i think we saw the same gun! If so, did you see the price on the 945 posted yesterday?:eek:
 

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