I have purchased spring pack sets for all my 3rd Gen for when the inevitable happens. However, I have looked through the 3rd Gen parts thread and for the life of me, I can't find any info. on a source for dual recoil springs. I would like a set for my 4053TSW. Can anybody point me in the right direction?
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Fastbolt
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My 4513TSW, 4040PD & 4013TSW use the same nested recoil springs. When I realized my supply of spares was getting low last year, I ordered more from S&W. (I usually order 5-6 sets at a time, depending how much I'm shooting those guns.)
They were back-ordered for at least a couple or more months, and they didn't get shipped at the same time (because one size was received from the vendor while the other was still on back-order while longer).
Have you tried ordering them from S&W? That's where the after-market retailers get them.
They were back-ordered for at least a couple or more months, and they didn't get shipped at the same time (because one size was received from the vendor while the other was still on back-order while longer).
Have you tried ordering them from S&W? That's where the after-market retailers get them.
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I guess when all else fails go to the source eh?? Now why didn't I think of that!! Seriously, with all the talk of the ever dwindling supply of 3rd Gen parts I just assumed that they were no longer available from them.
I'll give them a call. Thanks
I'll give them a call. Thanks
these springs were made specifically at the request of several forum members here......I think all dual nested apps. are the same ......Tactical Springs & Machine Gunners Lube
Thanks nocents. I called and spoke to a very nice gentleman there who says that they
Have had excellent results with the dual recoil springs that they made for the 3.75" barreled S&W guns. So, I ordered a set to try for myself.
Have had excellent results with the dual recoil springs that they made for the 3.75" barreled S&W guns. So, I ordered a set to try for myself.
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vigil617
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These spring sets from Sprinco are produced and hardened in a different way than the factory springs, and we were told by Sprinco that they could be good for several thousand rounds beyond what the factory springs are. They are extremely reasonably priced, shipping is only a couple of bucks, and the folks at Sprinco are a pleasure to deal with. Not dissing S&W at all; these from Sprinco are a specialty item, custom made from factory new spring samples we provided, and made by folks who specialize in springs of all types. I think you will be very pleased with them. Glad the Forum was able to put you on these! Special shout-out to Nocents!
Looking forward to trying these out. I agree the custom springs were surprisingly reasonably priced and the help that I received was extremely professional! ! I will most certainly be a return customer. Thanks again to nocents!
Fastbolt
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Anybody tried them yet in the harder recoiling 3 1/2" .40 models, or just the 3 3/4" .45's?
If S&W uses the same springs for both .40 & .45, and the company designed theirs around the S&W springs, I'd imagine the specialty company's springs ought to run normally, but I always hesitate to assume.
If S&W uses the same springs for both .40 & .45, and the company designed theirs around the S&W springs, I'd imagine the specialty company's springs ought to run normally, but I always hesitate to assume.
I too ordered a set of the Springco springs when they became available for my 4516-2.....to add to the 2 sets of new factory dual nested and 3 Glock inspired flat wire springs "engineered" by forum member BMCM(which I am currently running with great results).....so......I should be good for a while
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Sprinco recoil springs
The inner & outer springs cost $1.99 each from Midway (when they're in-stock). Sprinco's set runs $13.95.
That's awesome that someone else stepped up to help us with parts but is their's intended to last 3.5x longer?
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The inner & outer springs cost $1.99 each from Midway (when they're in-stock). Sprinco's set runs $13.95.
That's awesome that someone else stepped up to help us with parts but is their's intended to last 3.5x longer?
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vigil617
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A fair question, Bluedot. I was told by Alan Duggar, v-p of operations at Sprinco, that springs of this type have been used in semi-auto pistols for over 25,000 rounds. Assuming 5,000 rounds for factory springs -- though I know that's just a suggested replacement point -- the Sprinco springs should last more than five times as long.
I don't know how we'll ever know for sure except by word-of-mouth experience way down the road by folks who have installed these springs. All I know is that I don't plan to ever have to change the springs in my Shorty 45 again in my lifetime.
The other thing about Sprinco's springs is that they were produced at a time when nested pairs from S&W and the parts houses seemed to have gotten very scarce. That might have been addressed by now; still, Sprinco made a run of a few thousand of these to make production worthwhile, and I have tried to make sure folks here on the Forum know about them, just because Alan and the Sprinco people were so accommodating in helping us.
They're not going to make a killing on this run of springs, and I think for what they have produced, the product is excellent and well-priced.
vigil617
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Fastbolt, I can't speak to the .40 models, but my 3566 Compact with its 3 1/2" barrel used the same nested spring pair, and I replaced mine with the Sprinco springs and got good results. Before, I had had occasional FTF's with the Federal Match 356TSW 147 grain full metal jacket rounds that were designed to be fired from those pistols -- the pistol was used when I bought it, so I don't know how many rounds had been fired, but the springs were at least 20 years old by then -- so they were good as far as I was concerned.
With BMCM's help, we provided Sprinco with a new pair of factory S&W springs to measure. In addition, BMCM made detailed measurements with a micrometer of different dimensions Sprinco wanted, including the compressed length of the springs. Sprinco produced the exact same springs -- wire diameter, coil count, and end treatments -- of the factory springs, and even color-coded the ends the same way that the factory had done, so the springs would be easily identified. After production, BMCM and I both tested a nested pair in our .45s and found they functioned well, and then Sprinco offered them for sale through its website.
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Sprinco
Vigil, thanks for that additional info. I acknowledge their expense to start a new product. If I manage to get 5000 rounds thru my double spring guns I'll definitely give them a try.
I previously had some correspondence with Alan concerning replacement guide rods for the 3rd Gens which he said he'd pursue if the demand/requests for it was there.
He also mentioned he'd work with me on a Recoil Management Guide Rod System for a 3rd Gen setup for 45 Super, which I asked about. Seemed like a nice guy. As soon as I find a nice 4506/4566, for a reasonable price, & in good shape (but not too good shape), I'll take him up on it.
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Vigil, thanks for that additional info. I acknowledge their expense to start a new product. If I manage to get 5000 rounds thru my double spring guns I'll definitely give them a try.
I previously had some correspondence with Alan concerning replacement guide rods for the 3rd Gens which he said he'd pursue if the demand/requests for it was there.
He also mentioned he'd work with me on a Recoil Management Guide Rod System for a 3rd Gen setup for 45 Super, which I asked about. Seemed like a nice guy. As soon as I find a nice 4506/4566, for a reasonable price, & in good shape (but not too good shape), I'll take him up on it.
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Hill_Country
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Despite having a stock of new recoil springs, I ordered one of the Sprinco sets a few days ago and it arrived today. Nicely packaged in a labeled tube (instead of a bag with a handwritten part number) and the springs are nicely finished and color coded. They even threw in a tiny bottle of their special super duper lube. Sprinco seems like a class operation and I'd encourage everyone to stock up on springs to show them that there is demand for 3d gen parts.
Seems like poor planning on their part to supply a spring with a longer recommended life than the stock spring. They can't make any money that way. <G>
Seems like poor planning on their part to supply a spring with a longer recommended life than the stock spring. They can't make any money that way. <G>
vigil617
US Veteran
Agree 100 percent, Hill Country.
For the technically-minded out there: Sprinco produced these springs from chrome silicon wire; sent them to be cryogenically treated to harden them; applied a moly coating; then color-coded the ends before packaging the pairs and including both the "machine gunner's lube" and detailed instructions on how to install the springs -- including which end goes on first.
A class operation, to be sure.
For the technically-minded out there: Sprinco produced these springs from chrome silicon wire; sent them to be cryogenically treated to harden them; applied a moly coating; then color-coded the ends before packaging the pairs and including both the "machine gunner's lube" and detailed instructions on how to install the springs -- including which end goes on first.
A class operation, to be sure.
