3913 vs CS9
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Hi BAM-BAM. Yes.And its 7+1. Regards 18
Please .....just call me BAM!
So as I suspected; the overall height is the same as my 3913s with a flush-fit steel floorplate 7rd early LadySmith mag. and I can carry a extra 8rd mag that doesn't/can't be over inserted.
Never understood why S&W didn't just off more of the 7 round flush-fit mags.. vs coming up with a new shorter frame....
I know the short 7rd magazines languished at S&W for almost a decade/or longer..... if you couldn't supply the part # I was told more than once that no such thing existed.
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BAM Are we talking about the 7 round 39XX series mags that came with the 3954? The one with the flat metal baseplate?
Because the one you are looking at in my pic of my CS9 is not one of those. It is a 3913TSW pre rail magazine that came with the rounded plastic baseplate on the 7 round mag. Factory OEM that came with the early rail free 3913TSW. Works fine in the CS9s too. Regards, 18
Are we talking about the 7 round 39XX series mags that came with the 3954? The one with the flat metal baseplate?Because the one you are looking at in my pic of my CS9 is not one of those. It is a 3913TSW pre rail magazine that came with the rounded plastic baseplate on the 7 round mag. Factory OEM that came with the early rail free 3913TSW. Works fine in the CS9s too. Regards, 18
BAM
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Yep.... they are what I use in my 3913/14s as my primary carry mag. for a 7+1 load....... spare mag(s) are 8rd w/ the flat base plate
Those 7rd steel base plate magazines were as low profile as you could get in the 90s....... so when the CS came out it really wasn't any shorter in the butt than the 3913s I was already carrying!
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Edit: I should have mentioned in the OP that I have the railed (which I hate) variety of the 3913TSW. It has been changed. I just bought a "normal" 3913.
Okay, I had a chance to tote around the new hardware today and here are my opinions.
-It carries extremely well. It is my opinion of a perfect carry 9mm, if all-metal and hammers are your thing. The size and weight are exactly right to hold comfortably, carry all day and shoot accurately, without getting beat up.
-I hate the factory grips. However, for a carry gun they are useful- here's why: I practiced my draw from a concealable (tight to the body) OWB. With the Hogue rubbers (which I like), I found it difficult to get a firm purchase fast. They take up too much space between the gun and my body. I can only imagine this being worse IWB. (I don't carry IWB, so I don't care.) A lousy grip and/or a clumsy draw can be the difference between life and death. The smoother, thinner factories allow me to get my thumb all the way around the frame and if my grip is a little off, I can "slip-n-slide" to correct it before I get on target. The Hogues are too "sticky" to do this. (FWIW the 3913 w/ Hogues is approximately the same size and width as a Glock 19.)
-The spurred hammer is useless on a carry pistol. I'm not gonna cock single action before I shoot a BG. Second, on a DA/SA, I carry with the safety off. I would hate for the spur to get snagged and cock itself SA. Thankfully, I only use holsters w/ a covered trigger. I'm probably going to trade hammers with my [spurless] 3913TSW, as this is the carry gun and the TSW is [now] the range gun.
-The sights suck, but I don't care. If this is like the other 3rg gens I have (i.e. the TSW (same sights)), I will shoot the fixed sights low. However, I point-shoot my SD pistols, so it doesn't matter. If I need a longer shot, I'll compensate or buy a taller rear. (After starting with revolvers, I've grown to hate 3-dots.)
-Pinky rest mag floorplate > flat. The pinky rest mags fit my hand perfectly. The flat base ones are kinda awkward for me.
All in all, IMO it is what a hammer-fired carry gun should be. The only detractor is the hammer, which I can fix.
I can't wait to get it heated up at the range!
On to the next topic, 3913 vs Shield 9? (getting the popcorn)
Okay, I had a chance to tote around the new hardware today and here are my opinions.
-It carries extremely well. It is my opinion of a perfect carry 9mm, if all-metal and hammers are your thing. The size and weight are exactly right to hold comfortably, carry all day and shoot accurately, without getting beat up.
-I hate the factory grips. However, for a carry gun they are useful- here's why: I practiced my draw from a concealable (tight to the body) OWB. With the Hogue rubbers (which I like), I found it difficult to get a firm purchase fast. They take up too much space between the gun and my body. I can only imagine this being worse IWB. (I don't carry IWB, so I don't care.) A lousy grip and/or a clumsy draw can be the difference between life and death. The smoother, thinner factories allow me to get my thumb all the way around the frame and if my grip is a little off, I can "slip-n-slide" to correct it before I get on target. The Hogues are too "sticky" to do this. (FWIW the 3913 w/ Hogues is approximately the same size and width as a Glock 19.)
-The spurred hammer is useless on a carry pistol. I'm not gonna cock single action before I shoot a BG. Second, on a DA/SA, I carry with the safety off. I would hate for the spur to get snagged and cock itself SA. Thankfully, I only use holsters w/ a covered trigger. I'm probably going to trade hammers with my [spurless] 3913TSW, as this is the carry gun and the TSW is [now] the range gun.
-The sights suck, but I don't care. If this is like the other 3rg gens I have (i.e. the TSW (same sights)), I will shoot the fixed sights low. However, I point-shoot my SD pistols, so it doesn't matter. If I need a longer shot, I'll compensate or buy a taller rear. (After starting with revolvers, I've grown to hate 3-dots.)
-Pinky rest mag floorplate > flat. The pinky rest mags fit my hand perfectly. The flat base ones are kinda awkward for me.
All in all, IMO it is what a hammer-fired carry gun should be. The only detractor is the hammer, which I can fix.
I can't wait to get it heated up at the range!
On to the next topic, 3913 vs Shield 9? (getting the popcorn)
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Mike in Reedley
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I find the CS series of pistols chunky in feel and unfinished in appearance when compared to the 3913 and 4516 series pistols. Before going to M&P 45, my Agency issued a 4566 and a CS45. When given the opportunity, a lot of deputies (myself included) turned in the CS45.
Denver Dick
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Disclaimer: I don't carry a pistol regularly. And, when I did for two years while living in Texas, I carried either a S&W 642 or 342 Ti. However, I do own and shoot a 1992 3913, 1996 3913, 1999 3913TSW pre-rail and I've handled a CS9. I personally did not like the feel of the CS9. On the other, I really like all three of my 39xx series pistols. If I was to carry one it would be the 3913TSW pre-rail. It's very accurate, small, light, and, with the proper 7rd flat base magazine, very easy to slip in a jacket pocket without a holster.
Oh, did I mention that it's accurate?
Oh, did I mention that it's accurate?
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Although the CS9 is smaller than the 3913, it isn't much smaller. What it is is much lighter,.......about 20% iirc from the charts. It's what you'd get if you took a 3913 to a master gunsmith(along with maybe $2000)and asked him to 'miniaturize' it. You could save a thousand in conversion cost by foregoing the shortening of the muzzle, but 4 of the 5 ounces saved is in the shortened barrel/slide. The other ounce is from the slide grinding. You'll note from Fastbolt's pics above that the roof of the slide has been ground down to minimum height which is what gives the CS the boxy look.
Judging from the OP's trigger and safety thoughts, I think he needs to look into the 3953/CS9D before he discovers perfection,........'cause that's where Smith kept it.
Judging from the OP's trigger and safety thoughts, I think he needs to look into the 3953/CS9D before he discovers perfection,........'cause that's where Smith kept it.
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Thank you. A google search led me to ksd. No longer available. Do you mean ebay? Are we allowed to say that on this forum?
HOUSTON RICK
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The factory CS9 is one hell of a handgun for its size.
Yes, you can say Ebay. What you can't do is link to an in progress auction. That's the same for Gunbroker or any other auction site.
The management does not want people turning this site into a feeder site for people who are selling stuff.
The management does not want people turning this site into a feeder site for people who are selling stuff.
Jim PHL
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I have and had several examples of the 39xx series. Like a few others I felt I had to have a CS9. When I finally acquired one I found I actually prefer the feel and balance of the 39xx. With that preference in mind I didn't feel the shorter length and height were significant enough and decided to let the little Chief go. Still have 2- 3913's and a 3953.
I've had a CS9 for quite some time now and like it a lot. I put a set of "Big Dog" Delrin grips on it, which made it that much better. As, I'm pushing the 7 generation mark in age, I needed better sights than the original 3 dots. Sadly, aftermarket sights for the CS9 are almost nil (except the very pricey Trigicons).
I put a set of TruGlow fiber optic night sites on my Shield and they made a world of difference. Unfortunately, TruGlow doesn't make them for the CS9. I'm thinking of having a gunsmith try and fit a set on the CS9. Until then, the Shield gets the EDC job.
I put a set of TruGlow fiber optic night sites on my Shield and they made a world of difference. Unfortunately, TruGlow doesn't make them for the CS9. I'm thinking of having a gunsmith try and fit a set on the CS9. Until then, the Shield gets the EDC job.
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