4040PD

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Thinking about buying one that's available...

I know .40S&W is on the outs, but I seriously doubt it'll be gone within my lifetime. The 4040PD seems like a neat concept that was flat out beat by the G27 and other plastic subcompacts.

Can you actually obtain anything for these? Magazines, holsters, parts, etc?
 
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A 4040PD is a great gun, I have one, but rarely shoot it. The frame and slide are the same dimensions as the 3913/3914 lady smith and NL semi autos. Magazines are non existent and the finish shows handling marks and edgewear very easily. I bought 4 curved baseplate mags at an old gun store in original packaging years ago and haven't seen a reasonbly priced mag since. They have two ball bearings and different feed lips so 4013 single stack mags do not work IIRC.

For these reasons along with limited parts availability, mine rarely comes out to play and never gets carried. I'd rather shoot and carry my well used CS40. If you are adding to a collection of semi's its a must buy, and one day probably will be extremely valuable. You may want to think twice if you are going to carry and shoot it a lot. (By a lot I mean thousands of rounds)

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I purchased a BNIB 4040 when they first came out and was disappointed when after only firing 100 rounds or so, the frame started to peen where the barrel mated with the frame. I saw the handwriting on the wall and dumped it quickly. IMHO: I suspect that S&W shoe horned the 40 cal cartridge into the 9mm platform not fully testing the pistol for longevity. I also suspect that the 4040 did not stay around long because of this??
It was a great concept and idea, but not well designed. Maybe if the original design had been beefed up a bit, it would of been around longer?
Just my opinions, I could be wrong?
 
They're nice guns. I wouldn't hesitate to buy it if I wanted it, based on what I know about them. Magazines are a bit hard to come by but they do come up for sale if you just keep looking. They are distinctive so easily spotted at gun shows. You only need three or four and the gun should already have two.

The gun is bound to hit a little harder than a 3913, so I suppose I'd expect it to show wear a little more quickly. I use Winchester Silvertips in mine because it is very accurate with them, and it's a pretty zippy load, but I think there are more abusive loads out there. I have not noticed the gun wearing more quickly than a 3913, but I don't shoot it a lot. It is semi-retired and only comes out for exercise now and then.

I think they are handsome little guns and I like them, but I would not pay a big premium for one. The market seems to consistently hang in the $500-$600 range for one in nice shape.
 
I'm sort of up in the air on its collectibility. It's always hard to predict these sort of things.

It could be a hot item in the future, or it could be like a Star or Vektor is now...a dud gun that never took off and can't be given away for anything reasonable. Rare but not collectible.
 
I'm sort of up in the air on its collectibility. It's always hard to predict these sort of things.

It could be a hot item in the future, or it could be like a Star or Vektor is now...a dud gun that never took off and can't be given away for anything reasonable. Rare but not collectible.

Guess my point was; if you're into collecting 3rd Gen Smiths for show; grab it.... it's a uncommon variation.... future value???... only the future will tell us on any gun .........who would have thought Model 28s would sell for $600+....................
but if you looking at it as a everyday concealed carry/shooter........................

then IMHO, unless you can round up 6-8-10 magazines I'd just pass.

I've accumulated a lot of 3rd Gen 39xx guns..... 13s,14s and NLs.... they are great guns IMO......... but all mine are 9mm
 
I purchased a BNIB 4040 when they first came out and was disappointed when after only firing 100 rounds or so, the frame started to peen where the barrel mated with the frame. I saw the handwriting on the wall and dumped it quickly. IMHO: I suspect that S&W shoe horned the 40 cal cartridge into the 9mm platform not fully testing the pistol for longevity. I also suspect that the 4040 did not stay around long because of this??
It was a great concept and idea, but not well designed. Maybe if the original design had been beefed up a bit, it would of been around longer?
Just my opinions, I could be wrong?

Some peening is normal in any of the aluminum alloy frames, even when the aluminum has been alloyed with Scandium. It's still not steel. The SC aluminum is stronger in some ways than regular aluminum, though, which is why it's used to make lightweight Magnum revolver frames.

From what I was told, the reason for the 4040 being dropped from the catalog was because the cost of the Scandium aluminum frame added to the already high cost of making metal-framed pistols, in comparison of trying to sell metal-framed guns against plastic framed guns. The price point at which the 4040 had to be sold just wasn't something the average commercial buyer of compact .40's was willing to consider, and it didn't help that the 4040 was a single stack pistol, and the double stack's were more appealing to the average buyer. The 4040's SC aluminum frame pretty much priced it out of enough of a consumer desire to make it a viable model.

I picked up a 4040 just as they were going out of production. Mine was a LNIB demo model. It was a NIB T&E gun that saw very little use by a single agency (I know, because I did most of the limited shooting done with it ;) ).

Shoe-horning the .40 S&W into the 3913 single stack frame meant it was a tight fit, but a thin grip frame. The increased recoil required a modification of the 3913's follower (the ball bearing), and the single recoil spring of the 3913 was replaced with the nested recoil springs of the 4013TSW (same as used in the compact .45, too). The mag springs were those used in the 3913 variants.

The 4040 was a dandy compact single stack .40, but it had some additional felt recoil compared to the 3913 (which in my case was eventually mitigated after a lot of shooting, much like previous instances where I had to become acclimated to the recoil of the .40 versus a similarly sized 9mm).

I have noticed that my own 4040 seems to really "like" the hard to find W-W 155gr STHP, but it exhibits very good practical accuracy with the 165gr & 180gr loads I've used in it. One caveat is that I've occasionally experienced the protruding brass jacket notching cuts/folds of 180gr Golden Sabre catching and hanging up on the magazine's mag catch window cut, stopping the rest of the rounds from rising. Never happened to me with any other bullet designs or bullet weights (and I've owned the gun since '05).

Another interesting quirk with the 4040 is that for whatever reason, even though they decided to make the slide from carbon steel (being a PD model?), like the newer production TSW slides they machined the 4040 slide to accept the optional spring-loaded, decock-only assembly.
 
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Just picked up a nice 4040pd that appears to be unfired with box, fired case and all paperwork. This one has a dull silver slide and the black scandium frame. It has tritium nite sights (that are burned out as the gun was made in Dec, 2003). I thought that this model had a blued steel slide. Anyone have any observations? Bearmn56 Montana Territory
 
Just picked up a nice 4040pd that appears to be unfired with box, fired case and all paperwork. This one has a dull silver slide and the black scandium frame. It has tritium nite sights (that are burned out as the gun was made in Dec, 2003). I thought that this model had a blued steel slide. Anyone have any observations? Bearmn56 Montana Territory

There was some discussion on the forum (see link below) about a similar pistol a few months ago. Does your pistol have any model markings on the slide, or only on the frame?

http://smith-wessonforum.com/smith-wesson-semi-auto-pistols/519942-question-about-s-w-4040-a.html?519942=#post139577035
 
Yep, the one posted in the link appears to be just like mine. Silver slide with no markings and the black scandium alloy frame with the marking 4040. It does not appear to be messed with. Some speculation in the link but nothing definitive about the differences noted from source to source. Bearmn56 Montana Territory
 

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Well, while "never say never" is prudent advice whenever it comes to something the factory may have decided to do for some special order, or some short run of a special configuration of gun for a distributor, etc ...

Unless your new-to-you 4040 was a 1-owner and had been traded in and then sold to you by the same dealer, I'd not be at all surprised if the 4040 in the new pics and in the other thread may actually be one and same gun. (This would easy to determine if the pic in the other thread could be enlarged to show the serial number, I suppose.)

Why? Well ...

The rear night sights aren't what S&W typically used at that time, for one thing, so even if they'd made at least 2 examples of some special configuration, I'd be prone to think they'd have used the same Novak night sights on it/them that they commonly used on the 4013TSW of that time.

I'd not be surprised to learn that the slide, manual safety and slide stop assemblies have been plated. Also, something that lends itself to this supposition is that the one magazine shown with the 3 blued ones is likely plated, to match the slide (and slide stop and safety assemblies) which would've been something very likely done by someone sending the gun and its primary magazine to some company for plating. It was pretty common for people to do that sort of thing when having their guns plated many years ago.

Dunno, and it really doesn't matter if you managed to get yourself a gun you've really wanted, anyway. :) Just some thoughts out of idle curiosity.

Congrats.
 
Fastbolt, did you notice the gun only is marked “4040” - not “4040PD”? What do you make of that?

The actual model is "4040". The slide is marked AirLite/PD, indicating that the 4040 uses a Scandium alloyed aluminum frame and is part of the PD line.

4040PD is a popular way to identify the model, but the frame is only stamped 4040.

My 4040 is marked the same way, on both slide and frame. ;)
 
Hmmm. I guess I will have to check mine. Would have sworn they said 4040PD. Could be and likely am a victim of memory fade. I’ll have a look and get back here if I’m correct. Thanks for your reply.

Edit - As is usual for him, Fastbolt is correct. The gun closest at hand does indeed only say Model 4040. :o
 
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Hmmm. I guess I will have to check mine. Would have sworn they said 4040PD. Could be and likely am a victim of memory fade. I’ll have a look and get back here if I’m correct. Thanks for your reply.

Dude, I had to check mine (I just carried it out tonight) to confirm I was actually remembering it correctly (even though the parts list I had to look at earlier today also just listed "4040" for the model). ;)

Then again, like I said earlier, trying to predict something done by S&W is a "never say never" situation, at best. I won't exclude the possibility that they may have stamped some number of frames with 4040PD. Maybe.

However ...

My '98 production 3913 came from the factory with a slide machined for the then-brand new spring-loaded/decock-only option, but with a standard safety. The machining for that option was ONLY done by the PC at that time, and even the early compact TSW's being produced before the rails didn't come with their slides pre-machined.

When I called back to order the spring-loaded assembly I asked a couple of the guys I'd come to know why my particular 3913 slide had been modified for the option. Nobody had a clue. They were just as surprised as I was. Nothing was listed in the serial number, apparently, but that doesn't mean the unnumbered slide may not have received some special treatment before it had been grabbed to be used to assemble a new gun.

One guy said that it was entirely possible the PC had grabbed a stock slide to modify, either for a special order or as an idea of special model they were thinking about in an idle moment... and then either the order was canceled or the PC smith(s) lost interest ... and then they sent the slide back over to be tossed back into a parts bin for production use ... and then I ended up with it on my 3913.

Never say never. They'll often surprise you. ;)
 
OK Fastbolt...you win the prize!! I checked out the other 4040 in the link much closer. Yes, this is most likely the gun that I bought. The man who posted the thread has the same first name as the guy I bought it from on Gunbroker. The gun also has Trijicon nite sights that are timed out. However, this still doesn't really answer the question about the originality of this gun. BTW, according to the paperwork that came with this pistol, it was manufactured and final inspected in Dec, 2003. I was fortunate to be able to get two more new in factory packaging magazines at a reasonable price. The plating is an interesting idea. I have seen some hard chrome plating and this doesn't really have the same sheen. I don't know what other types of plating that are out there that would give this dull silver finish. One of the main reasons that I am checking out this pistol is that I don't want to shoot it much if it has some additional value because it is unusual. If I can establish that it has been messed with, it can then go into my stable of regular shooters/carry guns. Respectfully yours, William Smith
 
Follow up. Contacted S&W customer service and gave them all of the pertinent info on this pistol. This 4040 was manufactured on the 17th of December, 2003. It left the factory with a blued steel slide. So, the original blued finish was removed, either by bead blasting or some other method, after it left the factory. So far there doesn't appear to be any discoloration or corrosion of the bare steel. As this pistol looks virtually unfired, it will be a nice addition to my shooter/carry guns. Loaded with 7+1 rounds, it is light and handy. It fits into a Sig 239 Tagua cross draw holster like a glove. In addition, it fits well into my Bianchi Black Widow holsters for my other S&W 3rd Generation pistols. Happy Shooting. William Smith, Montana Territory
 

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