Getting Sick of Guys With Plastic Pistols...

Polymer guns offer more options for CC; lower cost opens up gun ownership to a larger customer base...whatever your opinion, more choices, more options, and more (responsible) gun owners is a good thing. Besides, strapping a full steel pistol on your Speedo in summer is problematic.

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vortex360 said:

They do whether you like it or not. I am much safer out on the street with my Springfield XD Mod 2 striker-fired 45 than with my 1911. The striker-fired weapons fire extremely fast and a volley of shots can be fired faster than the 1911. High capacity mags make it safer also. The Mod 2 is surprisingly more accurate than my 1911, again safer in a gunfight. Additionally there is no safety so you don't have to be concerned about disengaging the safety. It is pull and shoot, simple.

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And I sir feel much safer with my 3953 than any striker fired weapon.

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Sorry, not a Ford fan here...

But this particular combination is more my style!

Of all the guns I own my most carried are plastic: S&W Shield and Ruger LCP.
Of all the guns I own my least favorite are plastic: S&W Shield and Ruger LCP.

Be careful. Those plastic gun guys outnumber us men of steel. Sorry situation ... plastic !! BLAH !! Even my Mattel "Fanners" were made out of some sort of metal. LOL

Metal wins. The Model 65-1 is 42 years old. The Model 12-2 is 55 years old. Both are functionally perfect. Like I said: metal wins.



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I for one do not care what a pistol is made from as long as it shoots POA/POI is 99.97% reliable with any ammunition readily available.
They are tools their looks are not as important as their function.

Let's cut to the meat........


ok..you may not like polymer resin (plastic as you understand it) handguns. that's ok...ignorance is treatable.



from all the comments here it is obvious that a WHOLE LOT of people have no clue of the nature, strength, and durability of polymer resin's used in today's firearms...and yes there is scientific proof that polymer resin's are stonger than metal and metal alloy's....don't take my word for it...it's out there for you to read but ut-oh...that means educating yourself...



Original glocks have been around for HOW LONG??? and are still functional and will be for HOW MANY MORE YEARS ??????


The under layment of the space shuttle heat shield tile area is WHAT???? Metal??? NOPE...polymer Resin's...YEP ...


the list goes on...but I am sure you don't want to hear it.....


Just saying....................................

dben002 said:

ok..you may not like polymer resin (plastic as you understand it) handguns. that's ok...ignorance is treatable.

from all the comments here it is obvious that a WHOLE LOT of people have no clue of the nature, strength, and durability of polymer resin's used in today's firearms...

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Right on...there is much science and material development into these polymers (which are also used for other applications, not only guns). Why are they cheaper? Not because the material itself is cheaper...you can't get much cheaper than steel...but because you can form to near or net shape...much, much less machining. Polymer plays an important role in the advancement and maturity of the firearm industry and market. I loved my 1970 Plymouth Fury III, but would it be my everyday driver today...nada.

Funny how the polymer gun folks never say anything about people owning metal guns(with plastic grips )until provoked.
Alas, this one will die and then another thread will pop up in a few days, and so it goes.
Hey, what about MIM bashing, haven’t seen that in a day or three.

I no longer own any plastic pistols. Only steel or alloy frames.

On steel frames I use ballistol on the frame rails. On alloy frames I use CorrosionX grease on the frame rails.

1911's always get oil / Ballistol. Beretta M9 and SIG P series get grease on the frame/slide junction.

Mike said:

The pony and the 39.

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Same here. I'd love to get a 68 Boss Pony.

jeffpo said:

I love my S&W 5906. It's my main carry. If I run out of bullets during an encounter it will make a great club.

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Makes a pretty good anchor for small boats too!

dben002 said:

Let's cut to the meat........


ok..you may not like polymer resin (plastic as you understand it) handguns. that's ok...ignorance is treatable.



from all the comments here it is obvious that a WHOLE LOT of people have no clue of the nature, strength, and durability of polymer resin's used in today's firearms...and yes there is scientific proof that polymer resin's are stonger than metal and metal alloy's....don't take my word for it...it's out there for you to read but ut-oh...that means educating yourself...



Original glocks have been around for HOW LONG??? and are still functional and will be for HOW MANY MORE YEARS ??????


The under layment of the space shuttle heat shield tile area is WHAT???? Metal??? NOPE...polymer Resin's...YEP ...


the list goes on...but I am sure you don't want to hear it.....


Just saying....................................

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Well Greg, there are still some out there lugging around a 1911 and wonder why they have back pain.

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SATX said:

The problem is that you nuts think of handguns as pieces of art instead of the tools they are. You have a problem.

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Arms have always been a bit of both and have been since ancient times. Wikipedia reports:

In the poem, Achilles lends Patroclus his armor in order to lead the Achaean army into battle. Ultimately, Patroclus is killed in battle by Hector, and Achilles' armor is stripped from his body and taken by Hector as spoils. The loss of his best friend (often times, called soul mate), prompts Achilles to return to battle, so his mother Thetis, a nymph, asks the god Hephaestus to provide replacement armor for her son. He obliges, and forges a shield with spectacular decorative imagery.

Homer’s description of the shield is one of the first known examples of ekphrasis in ancient Greek poetry; ekphrasis is a rhetorical figure in which a detailed (textual) description is given of a (visual) work of art. Besides providing narrative exposition, it can add deeper meaning to an artwork by reflecting on the process of its creation, in turn allowing the audience to envision artwork that they can't see.

The passage in which Homer describes the creation of the shield has actually influenced many later poems, including the Shield of Heracles once attributed to Hesiod. Virgil's description of the shield of Aeneas in Book Eight of the Aeneid is clearly modeled on Homer. The poem The Shield of Achilles (1952) by W. H. Auden reimagines Homer's description in 20th century terms. Of other significance, this passage is recognized as the first example of cosmological mapping in the history of Greece.

Homer gives a detailed description of the imagery which decorates the new shield. Starting from the shield's centre and moving outward, circle layer by circle layer, the shield is laid out as follows:

• The Earth, sky and sea, the sun, the moon and the constellations (484–89)
• "Two beautiful cities full of people": in one a wedding and a law case are taking place (490–508); the other city is besieged by one feuding army and the shield shows an ambush and a battle (509–40)
• A field being ploughed for the third time (541–49)
• A king's estate where the harvest is being reaped (550–60)
• A vineyard with grape pickers (561–72)
• A "herd of straight-horned cattle"; the lead bull has been attacked by a pair of savage lions which the herdsmen and their dogs are trying to beat off (573–86)
• A picture of a sheep farm (587–89)
• A dancing-floor where young men and women are dancing (590–606)
• The great stream of Ocean (607–609)

As noted above, Virgil also describes the shield of Aeneas, which predicts rise of the Roman Republic and its eventual status of an empire. Arms have always been more than mere tools, though some people who carry and use them see no real difference between them and hammers and screwdrivers, and no one has ever engraved a hammer unless it was used as a weapon!

I wonder why otherwise sensible people will get so down right nasty when talking about metal versus plastic. (I almost said discussing, but that implies to me civil discourse.)
Yes, guns are tools. So are automobiles. So, why are we not driving econoboxes to work, the beach, etc? A Fiat 500 is certainly as good a tool as my RAV4. Personally, I'd rather have something else than the Toyota, but why, if it's just a tool?
Like a lot of people, I tried plastic, striker fired pistols. After all, it's what all my friends on the school district police force carried and who would know better than they? Right?
I tried their Glocks and XDs and finally settled on a Glock 26. I worked with that pistol several months and got good with it. (I also tried a CZ100, a double action only polymer and got good with it, too, but that's another story.) I never really liked the trigger on the 26 though, and considered the experiment an interesting failure. I dumped the Glock for a 908 or 6906s and similar pistols.
I've never regretted that decision.
If you like a Glock, or an XD, or an M&P more power to you. Sorry that I can't go there.
For the gentleman who commented that his Glock 19 is a better defensive weapon than his 66-2, or his LCP is preferred over a J-frame, I'll add that I shoot my 908S better than any of the snubbies (S&W and Colt both) I once owned.
And for the gentleman who opined that volley shots can be fired faster [from a striker fired pistol] than a from a 1911, I'm not certain that such capability is important. Maybe for a police officer it could be a minor consideration; for we civilians, I think volley fire is not vital and may indeed be criminal.
But if plastic striker fired guns float your boat, more power to you. I won't dis you. Nor will I try to convert you. Please be as considerate with me.

Let me start with, life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun.

I haven't read all of the posts, but I see some that say, "If I have to defend myself, I don't want to lose one of my nice pistols to evidence. I'd rather lose a plastic gun to the police." Or something to that effect.

I remember having a new company vehicle assigned to me and I was changing over the stuff from one car to the other. Moving all of the nonsense we all carry, plus my ham radio, then I got to my emergency kit, like roadside flares and tools. When I was changing over the tools, the bag felt heavy, so I thought I'd thin the herd.

As I sorted through the tools, I noticed that every hand tool in there was a garage sale special. Some had a touch of rust, or were just low cost tools. That's when the following scenario dawned on me:

It's 2:30AM, I'm on the shoulder of the turnpike, it's raining/snowing like hell and the tools that I have to repair my car are among the worst that I own. It just didn't make sense to me, so I remedied the mistake. Fortunately, I never made that same mistake when choosing the tools that might save my life...

If you have to use a gun to justifiably save your life, it could run you about $75,000 to sort out that legal mess. And if it doesn't cost you a cent, you and/or your family are alive. Is the top of your mind really going to be on the $2,500 Les Baer you handed over for evidence?

josywales said:

Let me start with, life is too short to hunt with an ugly gun.

I haven't read all of the posts, but I see some that say, "If I have to defend myself, I don't want to lose one of my nice pistols to evidence. I'd rather lose a plastic gun to the police." Or something to that effect.

I remember having a new company vehicle assigned to me and I was changing over the stuff from one car to the other. Moving all of the nonsense we all carry, plus my ham radio, then I got to my emergency kit, like roadside flares and tools. When I was changing over the tools, the bag felt heavy, so I thought I'd thin the herd.

As I sorted through the tools, I noticed that every hand tool in there was a garage sale special. Some had a touch of rust, or were just low cost tools. That's when the following scenario dawned on me:

It's 2:30AM, I'm on the shoulder of the turnpike, it's raining/snowing like hell and the tools that I have to repair my car are among the worst that I own. It just didn't make sense to me, so I remedied the mistake. Fortunately, I never made that same mistake when choosing the tools that might save my life...

If you have to use a gun to justifiably save your life, it could run you about $75,000 to sort out that legal mess. And if it doesn't cost you a cent, you and/or your family are alive. Is the top of your mind really going to be on the $2,500 Les Baer you handed over for evidence?

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^^^^^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^^somebody had to finally say it......a 3913NL or HK45c are on my person to protect me and mine...I trust both equally