Model 422/2206/41 magazine fix ?

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Looking for a link to pics or video showing the magazine "vise squeeze" fix for out of spec magazines for 422/2206/41 pistols. I have several that need to be "fixed" as they will not fully seat in my pistols. These are SW mags ordered from the mothership several years ago. I just recently attempted to use them with negative results. SW customer service said the order is too old to cover under warranty. I have searched here and on RFC and found lots of discussion but no pics. Plan go slowly until I get close to the specs of my good mags or until they fit properly. Just thought some pics must be on the web somewhere as this has been a issue for many others. Thanks for your help.
 
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I’m sorry that I cannot help whatsoever but I’ll be watching this discussion for the knowledge base. I’ll also add that it is completely and entirely ridiculous and unacceptable a position for S&W to take on a clearly marked S&W product.

They should send you a shipping label for all the problem magazines and express ship back NEW working magazines with an apology.

This stinks to high heaven and it makes S&W look like a warm cow pie. It’s not like this is some old antique, it’s a modern magazine and they have zero excuse for this position.
 
I had to change my magazine-holding/ejecting spring on my 2206, since the mags would not seat very well. The spring was too strong. It "skewed" the seating of the mag inside the gun.

After I changed it from tough factory to light "pen" (yes, a ballpoint pen spring), all my mags work perfect now. Might want to try it?



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Flattop5, I did find a post about adjusting spring tention on the mag release button and/or lightly filing the catch itself. It is a possibility but I also tried fully depressing the mag release while inserting the mag, (a la BG380) without any improvement so figured I'd go after the mags first. I will keep it mind though.

Sevens, I may try SW again and see if I get a different answer. I can see them not wanting to warranty mags from another seller but these are direct from their supply in MA, still with the packaging and order info. On the other hand, my order IS several years old. SW customer service has always been helpful and accommodating in the past. Maybe I will have better luck on next call.
Guess I should have tried them when they 1st arrived instead of just putting them away for future use. Live and learn.
 
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I have found a couple of my mags difficult to seat all the way and not dropping free after releasing them. I noticed one of my grip screws was protruding into the mag well causing the hang up. I backed the screw out and no longer had that issue. To fix the problem I put a small washer on that one screw so I could tighten the grip down without protruding. This only started happening after I put a Pachmayr grip on my 2206, with the stock grip on it never had this issue.
 
Sevens said:
I’m sorry that I cannot help whatsoever but I’ll be watching this discussion for the knowledge base. I’ll also add that it is completely and entirely ridiculous and unacceptable a position for S&W to take on a clearly marked S&W product.

They should send you a shipping label for all the problem magazines and express ship back NEW working magazines with an apology.

This stinks to high heaven and it makes S&W look like a warm cow pie. It’s not like this is some old antique, it’s a modern magazine and they have zero excuse for this position.
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The bean counter's job is to make money for the company and when they run a company changes are made of the sake of profit generation. Offering free replacements is not a profit generating procedure so it is not longer an option. The bottom line is the most important item and to heck with customer satisfaction and product acceptance.
 
AC: new, OEM mags direct from SW will not fit into either 422 & 2206. Original mags work properly in each gun respectively.
 
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I have experience with trying to use newly manufactured M41 Mag's in an older M41 - NO GO! Even after sending 3 brand new magazines that would not fit in my gun back to S&W and them sending me 3 new ones, - NO luck!

I went to local Gun Shops and found 3 vintage magazines (in good shape) with metal followers which are identical to my originals that came with the gun new in 1979. They all work perfectly! They weren't cheap (about 2.5 times more than the recently made ones), but they are of excellent quality and most importantly - they work! :)

I still have the 2 originals that came with my M41 but felt I wanted to get a few more why they are still available because IMO the magazines are the "Achilles Heel" of the M41.

As far as the other models you mention, since I don't own any of those I have no experience with their Mag's. That said, I'd try and get the identical model and period correct magazines for the guns you own.
 
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I have experience with trying to use newly manufactured M41 Mag's in an older M41 - NO GO! Even after sending 3 brand new magazines that would not fit in my gun back to S&W and them sending me 3 new ones, - NO luck!

I went to local Gun Shops and found 3 vintage magazines (in good shape) with metal followers which are identical to my originals that came with the gun new in 1979. They all work perfectly! They weren't cheap (about 2.5 times more than the recently made ones), but they are of excellent quality and most importantly - they work! :)

I still have the 2 originals that came with my M41 but felt I wanted to get a few more why they are still available because IMO the magazines are the "Achilles Heel" of the M41.

As far as the other models you mention, since I don't own any of those I have no experience with their Mag's. That said, I'd try and get the identical model and period correct magazines for the guns you own.
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Right after buying my 1990 M41 in 1991, I started buying OEM mags in the blister packs wherever I could find them. It only came with one and I like at least 5 to load up a whole box at once. Noticed they were all marked "For 422/41" on the back.

Fast forward a few years to where the problems started cropping up on the M41 forum over at RFC and saw that the blister packs were now marked "422/41/622/2206", with the plastic followers and bad fit, but everyone wanted the 12 shot (?) capacity.

Went searching on GB and was easily able to find the older mags for the same price as the new ones. Easy to tell if the seller had a pic of the back of the pack. Got 10 more and still have 4 or 5 still in the blister packs, "for a rainy day". This was in the early to mid oughts and looking recently, could find very few, all used and much more expensive.

Been shooting bottom feeders for well over 50 years and learned long ago you needed the right mag, a quality mag and a 'goodly' supply of them.

OEM and you need to squeeze them in a vise? That is a sick joke and only deserves a two word response (and it's not GOOD LUCK).

Rob
 
So.....I tried 'adjusting' 1 of the mags in a bench vise. I used some laminate flooring scraps to protect the mag body and after a few gentle squeezes the magazine fit better into my 2206. It will fully seat and engage the mag catch however the slide will not fully close when released. I used both the slide release lever and slingshot method with no joy. The magazine seems too long but when compared to fully functional original magazines, I find no difference. Comparing the cut out for the mag catch reveals a very, very slight difference. This might be causing the bad mags to sit too high within the mag well and/or the lips need some adjustments. I suppose I could modify the mag catch slot too but have not tried as of yet.

I was able to test the bad mag in a new Model 41 PC that a friend just recently purchased and of course the mag locks in and ejects without issue. Did not get a chance to load and use the mag, maybe next time, but I think they would work fine. If they end up working properly, I may just pass these onto him and try my luck with some used mags. I don't really want to modify the mags too much so that they wont function in either gun.

On a side note, my lowly 2206TGT shot equal if not better than the new 41PC, at least on that day, in my hands. Considering his 41PC cost 7 times what I paid for the 2206TGT (yes, I got a great deal), I am still a very happy owner just need to find some more mags that will work.

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