Good? Bad? Meh?
IIRC this has the plastic rear sights and the finish on the slide is thin?
Enlighten me please, thank you.
IIRC this has the plastic rear sights and the finish on the slide is thin?
Enlighten me please, thank you.
Tell Me About the 410 Value Series
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mrmike7189
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They are good....just not great , due to the plastic parts. The magazine catch, guide rod and sights are all plastic. The guide rod & magazine catch are replaceable with metal parts from 4003?( I think?). The sights might be harder to find. If it works , then why bother? (but it's nice that you can.) I found my 410 was accurate, and never malfunctioned.
ACEd
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If I remember correctly 410 is the later 10 round version of the 411. Cheaper version of 4004 with Single sided safety. And I think there was one other less desirable difference from the 411 but I cant remember what.
ACEd
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Two links should explain 410 is to 411 to 4004 / 4006 as 910 is to 915 to 5904 / 5906
910 vs. 915
915 vs 5904
910 vs. 915
915 vs 5904
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ACEd
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I remembered the other big difference - or rather I found it - the barrel of the 910 does not have the locking lug - it appears the 410 may still have the lug.
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Thank you all for the info
ACEd
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Not sure about barrel - the picture of "410" may really be from a 415 and seller did not know there was a difference. I know the 915 barrels had locking feature like 5903 etc and 910 did not making the 910 barrels unique. Logically I thought 410 were similarly without locking feature while 411 was like 4006 but picture I found on internet appears to contradict that assumption on 40's.
See if you can get a picture field stripped if difference in barrel is important to you.
See if you can get a picture field stripped if difference in barrel is important to you.
The S&W Model 410 was part of S&W's attempt at making their metal receiver pistols compete against Glock's lower price. As far as I can tell, S&W retained the traditional, radial locking lug on the 40 caliber budget pistols.
The good: They are inexpensive compared to the 4004 and have 10 round magazines, making them "ownable" in places that enforce a 10 round limit.
The bad: The blueing on the slide is well known for being thin and not very durable.
The meh: Plastic recoil spring guide rod, replace it with a metal rod. Plastic sights which I am unsure of when it comes to replacements.
The good: They are inexpensive compared to the 4004 and have 10 round magazines, making them "ownable" in places that enforce a 10 round limit.
The bad: The blueing on the slide is well known for being thin and not very durable.
The meh: Plastic recoil spring guide rod, replace it with a metal rod. Plastic sights which I am unsure of when it comes to replacements.
Aukula1062
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I started out with a 411. The slide stop bent outwards on my first trip to the range and the slide failed to lock on the last round. Sent the gun back to Smith & Wesson. I had to pay shipping to them, still pisses me off to this day. They replaced the improperly heat treated slide stop and the gun ran great after that. Accurate and very reliable once fixed. Had a 915 recently and that was a great shooter as well. Hope that helped.
I have owned many 915’s but never nailed down the much more elusive 411. I’m firmly in the camp that that 915/411 are -FAR- better than the 910/410 that followed for all of the above reasons however I wanted to interject that there is one snippet that is either mistake or unclear above…
It’s the quality and durability of the finish. The finish on the 910/410 isn’t cheaper than the 915/411, the finish on the 915/411 was cheap and not durable whatsoever right off the rip.
The idea that S&W had was to cheapen the 3rd Gen to lower cost and lower the price. S&W kind of failed with the 915/410 because they lowered the price, sold a ton, but didn’t lower their own cost enough. That’s how the 910/410 came to be, and S&W saved money here and the guns got a little cheesier, and as noted, the parts they cheapened are quite arguably KEY parts.
But make no mistake… 915/411 -and- 910/410 have cheap, not at all durable finishes that is easily the worst part of a 915/411, but not the worst part of a 910/410.
It’s the quality and durability of the finish. The finish on the 910/410 isn’t cheaper than the 915/411, the finish on the 915/411 was cheap and not durable whatsoever right off the rip.
The idea that S&W had was to cheapen the 3rd Gen to lower cost and lower the price. S&W kind of failed with the 915/410 because they lowered the price, sold a ton, but didn’t lower their own cost enough. That’s how the 910/410 came to be, and S&W saved money here and the guns got a little cheesier, and as noted, the parts they cheapened are quite arguably KEY parts.
But make no mistake… 915/411 -and- 910/410 have cheap, not at all durable finishes that is easily the worst part of a 915/411, but not the worst part of a 910/410.
mrmike7189
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A barrel without a locking lug is essentially a pure blow-back system if I'm not mistaken. Its relying on mass inertia and the resistance from the recoil spring to keep the action locked long enough for the bullet to leave the barrel. The locking lug makes it delayed blow-back as the friction/resistance from the lug must also be overcome in addition to the mass of the slide and tension of the springs, both the recoil and the hammer spring. Fairly significant difference between the 410 and the 411, aside from the plastic parts. As a 'purist' style collector, I would not replace the plastic parts as it then isn't a 411 but a mixed hodge-podge of compatible parts.
ACEd
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The locking lug was apparently present on the 915 but removed on the 910. It appears the lug was again present on the 411 but it was not removed on the 410 based on others' responses - I can not verify as I do not own a 411 or 410.
Anyone out there with a 410 that can post picture of barrel to verify?
Best, Ed
JohnHL
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Unlike the model 910 with its unlugged barrel, the model 410 is just a model 411 with that hideously ugly b/glock square slide.
All of the internal firing mechanisms are the same including the lugged barrel.
And the lack of a front lug definitely did NOT change the operation of the model 910 pistol to "blowback".
John
All of the internal firing mechanisms are the same including the lugged barrel.
And the lack of a front lug definitely did NOT change the operation of the model 910 pistol to "blowback".
John
Most S&W semi-auto metal receiver pistols have two locking lugs. The radial lug and the lug that is at the front of the chamber area. Yes, that means that the 1911 was designed with 3 lugs! The value line S&W pistols had only one lug, the one at the front of the chamber area of the barrel.
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