845 vs 945

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If you could only own one, which one would you buy? I started another thread 945 vs Gold Cup. I love my Colt but shot a 945 today and color me very impressed. Extremely accurate and fun to shoot and am looking for one but read several times now how great the 845 is and more expensive than the 945. So, is the 845 better than the 945 or just produced in fewer numbers? Thanks.
 
The Model 845 was an experimental target version of the Model 745 designed back in the mid 1980s but never produced.

The Model 845 is a valid successor to the legendary Model 52

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It is absolutely one of the most accurate semi autos the Factory has ever designed. If you do your part, the Model 845 will group things into one ragged hole

The frame and slide of the Model 845s are hand lapped to each other. The titanium nitrite coated spherical bushing that surrounds the match grade barrel not only makes racking the slide butter smooth, it also contributes to the one hole accuracy of the pistol. I have always liked the picture provided by the Bomar rear sight. In fact my old model 52 is fitted with a Bomar rib. These Model 845s use the same magazines as the Model 645/745/4506 family of auto-loaders so mags are never going to be too hard to find (a problem that the Model 52 suffers from)

It is true that the Model 845 is a rare firearm, but the prices it demands are because of Performance, not scarcity

A total of three variants exist. The Model 845 Limited and the Model 845 of 1998 that are pictured above were built for the US market and offered as Lew Horton Distributor Exclusive firearms while the Model 845 Target Champion was a Distributor Exclusive offering of WISCO of Germany

One of each of the US variants are in my family

We have Lew Horton to thank for noticing the Smith & Wesson design and insisting that it be produced

I added the wood grips to my 845 Model of 1988 almost a decade ago.

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I like the look
 
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It is absolutely one of the most accurate semi autos the Factory has ever designed. If you do your part, the 845 will group tings into one ragged hole

The frame and slide of the 845s are hand lapped to each other. The titanium nitrite coated spherical bushing that surrounds the match grade barrel not only makes racking the slide butter smooth, it also contributes to the one hole accuracy of the pistol.

Colt, thank you for the reply. However, aren't the above claims the same for most if not all the steel PC guns, i.e. the 945, 952, 5906 target Champion, PPC etc.?

If so, it would appear the lower production numbers/scarcity of the 845 is what brings the premium in price or is there something else in manufacturing which I am unaware of?

Going to a gun show the upcoming weekend with a particular modern gun in mind - Les Baer, but recall a table with older Smiths. I loved shooting the 945 and intend to shoot whatever I buy 945/845/Baer so it won't be a safe queen.

Thanks for the education to all who wish to contribute.
 
If you could only own one, which one would you buy?

I’m lucky enough to have both to compare. If I had to keep just one of them it would have to be the 845. I’m very comfortable with the platform and the 845 is the pinnacle. I like the “stealth” factor as the MPC’s are virtually unmarked. People that shoot it for the first time have no clue what it is and what it’s capable of. Do a search here and see what Sevens did with his 845 on whistle pigs. Moving targets are different than stationary ones.

I started with Colt .45 acp’s at 17 yrs old and still have a few really nice ones. None of my Colts are on the same level of the 945. I’m not a fan of billboards but I can and do tolerate them.

My 845 was actually less expensive than my 945. I knew what I wanted and just sat back until “the one” showed up. I did the same thing with the 945 knowing I wanted a first run LEW but it was more expensive.

Jim
 

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I have some 945s, never had the opportunity to buy a reasonably priced 845 (but do have its brother the 4006ltd ). Accuracy and triggers on the 945 were not consistent; based on a sample size of 4. None of my triggers feel exactly the same. I believe my best 945 would be as accurate as an average 845, the other 3, not so much.

Oh, to answer the question…I’d pick an 845.
 
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I think I replied to your previous post. I've never handled an 845 but just by looking at pics it appears size and shape wise it is similar to the Gold cup. So you have handled and shot the 945 so you know it bigger and quite different in feel to the Gold cup. Every time I go back and shoot the 945 I kind of have to relearn the grip and feel of it where as the Gold cup just has a more natural feel, for me anyway. Personally, I see nothing wrong with having both in the stable.
 
I HAVE OWNED BOTH. THE 945's PALED IN COMPARISON.

845 WAS MORE ACCURATE, BETTER TRIGGER ( WAY WAY BETTER), BETTER RECOIL IMPULSE. A REAL SLEEPER.

I'VE OWNED 2 DIFFERENT 945's. NEITHER ONE WOULD SHOOT EVEN CLOSE TO THE 845 IN ACCURACY AT 50YDS.

945 LOOKED COOLER, BUT THAT'S ALL IT HAD GOING FOR IT.
 
Colt, thank you for the reply. However, aren't the above claims the same for most if not all the steel PC guns, i.e. the 945, 952, 5906 target Champion, PPC etc.?

If so, it would appear the lower production numbers/scarcity of the 845 is what brings the premium in price or is there something else in manufacturing which I am unaware of?

Going to a gun show the upcoming weekend with a particular modern gun in mind - Les Baer, but recall a table with older Smiths. I loved shooting the 945 and intend to shoot whatever I buy 945/845/Baer so it won't be a safe queen.

Thanks for the education to all who wish to contribute.
You either never finished filling out your profile or want your location to remain private so I have no idea on which Continent you reside. Scarcity is dependent on location, just ask the poor folks that live in California (though a recent Court case may have that solved)

Most everything with TARGET CHAMPION in the name was built for WISCO of Germany and will be very scarce here in America. The bulk of those firearms are just re-badged versions of what the Performance Center has already produced for America.

The pistols that you mention are 9MMs and 45s. I have found that the 45ACP Performance Center guns out shoot their 9MM brethren.

Yes, I currently own two Model 5906 PPCs and several Model 3566s. I previously owned a Model 952 but parted with it.

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My issue with the 952 was not really accuracy, it is a superb version of the Model 39 pistol, it is just not a successor to the Model 52. I admit my expectation was too high when these came out. I thought I was buying a 9MM Model 52, not an accurized Model 39. So it's accuracy did not meet my expectations. Every time I looked at it I felt that disappointment all over again. So I sold it. I have shot additional Model 952s since then and still feel the same

I do think that the Model 952 is an extremely attractive firearm, especially the 6" version. Looks were not enough for me

The Model 5906 PPCs are probably less likely to show up but if you come across one, do not hesitate to pull the trigger. While the Model 3566 Limited is chambered for the 356TSW cartridge, the Performance Center hand fitted 9MM barrels to them as an option. One of our fellow Forum members keeps the necessary 9MM Briley barrel in stock if you come across one without the 2nd barrel.

I never pursued any of the TARGET CHAMPION variations, but I would not walk away from one that showed up at a reasonable price

Both the 845 and 945 are superb examples of high end firearms. My family has owned 3 Model 845s over the years(one was stolen) but no Model 945s. I have shot half a dozen or more of he Model 945s in various barrel lengths. None of them really stood out like the Model 845 does.

The Model 845s are just more accurate, the triggers are superior and I would even say the balance of the Model 845 is just right

Yes, many of the build features of the Model 845 are incorporated into other Performance Center offerings.

Often our choices are not about a Pros/Cons list, it is about how a specific pistol speaks to you. So do not close your mind to any Performance Center auto loader until after you have handled it.

If you are local to Central Florida, I would offer you the opportunity to shoot one or more of the firearms we are discussing here. If you are not in Central Florida, there might be a Forum member willing to make the same offer in your area

I forgot to address the Les Baer. I have owned several and they are on a level above and beyond most all production 1911s. However I sold most of them off except the Target Master Long Slide that Les built many years ago

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I sold off my Comanche because I found myself carrying my Gold Cup Commander much more often. Though I really liked the adjustable MMC sight that Les put on these guns in the olden days

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I'm going to buck the trend here and say I would keep the 945. I have both the 845 and the 945 (as well as a 952, 52, and PC1911) and like the feel of the 945 grip much, much better (but not planning to get rid of the 845). Both guns have excellent triggers (both at about 2.5lb. and crisp). As far as firing tight groups both guns will do very, very well if you find a load they like. I take the 945 to the range way more than the 845 for that reason.

BTW when i shoot serious bullseye I use the 952.
 
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Everyone, thanks for the replies and Colt thank you for the offer to shoot your firearms. Unfortunately, I am in NY, at least for the next couple of years. Perhaps on a visit we can meet up.

My favorite pistol is the 952 which I generally bring to the range. I will continue to shoot it, but as prices continue to rise and I do not know the availability of spares, I am looking for something more modern to shoot. The last show I went to one of the dealers had some Les Baers he bought from an estate, so, if I see him again and can make a deal, I will buy a Premier II in 9mm. He had no 45's.

So, if I understand correctly, are the "MPC" serial numbers strictly limited to the 845? I remember a dealer with some older Smith's, but don't recall them being engraved with a model number. Glad their is this forum resource. Best.
 
The MPC refers to the 845 Limited. SDN, the 845 Model of 1998 and WPC, the 845 Target Champion.

As far as numbers, Model of 1998 has the fewest. Under or around 160. I believe the Limited is next, 435 from Lew Horton and then the TC. The serial range on the TC was 0001-1161 but that doesn’t mean 1161 we’re produced.

Joe
 
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In regard to what another forum member reminded me of: “The only rule at Smith & Wesson is that there are no rules”…

I just scored a 45 TC with a TDA serial prefix, and I’ve never been more excited to get a gun lettered. Other than it’s story, it makes sense, but in its absence it’s just crazy.
 
The last show I went to one of the dealers had some Les Baers he bought from an estate, so, if I see him again and can make a deal, I will buy a Premier II in 9mm. He had no 45's.

I’m really liking your somewhat “click bait” starting posts. It’s fun reading the replies including my own. I did NOT respond to your Colt GC, (GCNM,) vs 945’s for a reason.

Yes of course go with a Les Baer. Hold out for a .45 example as they are out there. Anyone that had a successful Ford Mustang race team could make a Colt .45 run flawlessly and/or acceptabley too. :D

Jim
 
I've got two of each and I've never had a pistol "speak to me" the way my 845 did when I got it. My first 52 came close but I got that after my 845. The 845 took this long time, hardcore handgun guy (for a couple of decades) and actually gave me a focus and a center for what I truly loved and wanted to own.

That they made so few of the 845 is senseless and silly to me, but when you strip away the emotion and accept what drives S&W you learn to understand these things even when they make you sad.

The fact that my 845 is my favorite firearm of all time doesn't take ANYTHING away from what simply fantastic handguns my 945's are.

I think the subject of this discussion brings out many fascinating posts with great experience and thoughts and opinions and I enjoy what's being shared here. At the same time, I also think the subject is silly... it's akin to being a dog lover and refusing to get a second or third dog. Or having a child and then declaring that you won't have another because this one's so fantastic.

There's nothing about my 845 that would ever make me not love my 945.

The real S&W Performance Center was lightning in a bottle and GONE forever. These are the finest semiautomatic pistols that S&W ever made and that's a 171 year old manufacturer. Fact is, I see no reason to need to pick the 845 "over" the 945, I can pick either over 99% of all the rest of the semiautomatic pistols ever made in man's history.
 
Thanks everyone for the replies. Would love to have one of each but several in college and limited funds. Based upon the responses, I will focus on finding an 845 this weekend. Hopefully I get lucky like heavyjim, but I would like to know going in to the show what to look for.

So what I can tell, if it is a .45, has a spherical bushing and a serial number starting with "MPC" "SDN" or "PCZ" it is an 845 and I should buy it depending on condition and price. Correct?
 
Hahaha, what kind of gun show are you attending?

I'm not trying to be mean. I will issue a bold face and italicized mea culpa if you find an 845 at your gun show. Even a 945 is a tough one to stumble across. I would buy whichever you see and if you find five of each, trade them whatever you drove to get there.

If an 845 is what you seek, I believe you'll have to scour the world wide web to track one down for purchase.
 
Hahaha, what kind of gun show are you attending?

I'm not trying to be mean. I will issue a bold face and italicized mea culpa if you find an 845 at your gun show. Even a 945 is a tough one to stumble across. I would buy whichever you see and if you find five of each, trade them whatever you drove to get there.

If an 845 is what you seek, I believe you'll have to scour the world wide web to track one down for purchase.

heaveyjim just found one at a show, or did you forget this thread.

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Certainly it happens. Has happened, can happen. That "find" was one year ago and it beats all the odds. Truly, I hope you find one. Realistically, this is extremely unlikely to happen at your next gun show.

If you prove me wrong I promise you, we will absolutely celebrate your victory as a group.
 

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