For the Miami Vice Fans
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If youse guys are the ultimate Miami Vice hardware nuts, tell me if you ever heard of this tale... which sounds like a very tall tale.
Years ago in a gun forum (it may have been this one but I don't recall...) one poster claimed that he watched them film a night scene with an alley-way gunfight and that Crockett had done a full-speed reload including dropping a magazine in the heat of the battle.
The poster went on to say that he went back and visited the scene the next morning, all production crew packed up and gone, and he collected the lost/left Bren Ten magazine... which of course we are all aware is an irrationally hot item.
The story sounds ridiculous. I want it to be true!
It could be, seems like a long shot. Has anyone heard this tale?
Years ago in a gun forum (it may have been this one but I don't recall...) one poster claimed that he watched them film a night scene with an alley-way gunfight and that Crockett had done a full-speed reload including dropping a magazine in the heat of the battle.
The poster went on to say that he went back and visited the scene the next morning, all production crew packed up and gone, and he collected the lost/left Bren Ten magazine... which of course we are all aware is an irrationally hot item.
The story sounds ridiculous. I want it to be true!
It could be, seems like a long shot. Has anyone heard this tale?They used to show this video at the FBI Academy. And they told about how it wasn't sped up and that guys like this really exist so be prepared etc. Also if I remember correctly there was discussion about - don't think that there aren't criminals with this kind of skill because this actual actor was arrested for some felony.
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I liked the episode with Willie Nelson as the old Texas Ranger. His SAA .45 was an interesting contrast to the state-of-the-art stuff usually seen on the show.
Hair Trigger
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In the link, there is a comment highlighted in pink, about how fast he handles a 1911A1 in "Return of Calderone Pt. 1". if that is the video segment shown, the pistol he pulled was a BHP.
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The pistol he lays on the body is a 1911
scooter123
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I slowed the video down to 1/4 speed and the pistol used in that seen was a 1911 Commander, not a BDA/P220. Spend some time on Google and you will see that the BDA looks much different than the 1911 and the cutout in the dust cover is very distinctive in the Commander and the Government models.
BTW, if you are facing a shooter that good the only way to deal with them is to not give them a chance. As in as soon as you are on the COM you start putting bullets on target at about a 4/10 second split then when you are to the last one you take a moment to sight in on the upper lip and drive one into the brain stem.
BTW, if you are facing a shooter that good the only way to deal with them is to not give them a chance. As in as soon as you are on the COM you start putting bullets on target at about a 4/10 second split then when you are to the last one you take a moment to sight in on the upper lip and drive one into the brain stem.
The handgun in the linked clip on YT is a Gov't 1911...
Interesting, because I recall the gun as being a Hi-Power from watching the scene back in the 80's, but it's clearly a 1911.
I originally heard the story in the 80's as Zubiena was an on-set consultant at the time, and the actor hired to play the hit man couldn't get the gun handling down, so they just had him play the part.
Years ago, we used the clip in the Academy. Once, we had a firearms training day that coincided with a USPSA style match at a club range in the area I supervised. I paid for my squad to enter the match as part of the training for the day. It was an eye-opening experience for most of them...
Interesting, because I recall the gun as being a Hi-Power from watching the scene back in the 80's, but it's clearly a 1911.
I originally heard the story in the 80's as Zubiena was an on-set consultant at the time, and the actor hired to play the hit man couldn't get the gun handling down, so they just had him play the part.
Years ago, we used the clip in the Academy. Once, we had a firearms training day that coincided with a USPSA style match at a club range in the area I supervised. I paid for my squad to enter the match as part of the training for the day. It was an eye-opening experience for most of them...
Hair Trigger
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Yeah, after a second look, I agree. When he laid the pistol on the dead guy's chest, I thought the grips looked like a BHP.
For the record, guns aside, it is Crockett, not Crocket.
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2 Ts my friends, no matter what gun he used.
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2 Ts my friends, no matter what gun he used.
While his shooting scene is pretty good I don't think he would stand a chance against Trinity as in ( Trinity is still my name) or the Sundance Kid on Alias Smith and Jones....
I know he was a highly ranked speed shooter back then. Although his wife Linda ? drew more attention at the Bianchi Cup in the early 80s. Most "highly" ranked speed shooter types are very fast to the target and accurate.
I watched Pride, Leatham and Koenig or maybe Piatt do a demo at the Shot Show one year around late 90s. They reacted to a buzzer, drew, fired, reloaded and fired again for time. Pride was the slowest at like 1.4 seconds.. These were some type of pneumatic guns at Safariland's booth, I believe, and they weren't shooting at targets but it was pretty impressive. Practice,Practice and Oh, Practice.
Moral of the story is in any confrontation best to keep some distance and not to remove your attention from anyone you are facing. People can punch even faster than they can draw and shoot.
I know he was a highly ranked speed shooter back then. Although his wife Linda ? drew more attention at the Bianchi Cup in the early 80s. Most "highly" ranked speed shooter types are very fast to the target and accurate.
I watched Pride, Leatham and Koenig or maybe Piatt do a demo at the Shot Show one year around late 90s. They reacted to a buzzer, drew, fired, reloaded and fired again for time. Pride was the slowest at like 1.4 seconds.. These were some type of pneumatic guns at Safariland's booth, I believe, and they weren't shooting at targets but it was pretty impressive. Practice,Practice and Oh, Practice.
Moral of the story is in any confrontation best to keep some distance and not to remove your attention from anyone you are facing. People can punch even faster than they can draw and shoot.
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Frank Black
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My 645 also has the TBR prefix (TBR5XXX) but has the standard/non-dovetail frt sight.
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Noop.
The MV BT was, externally, a 10mm and you can see "10mm AUTO" on the slide in close-up shots where Crockett has the pistol raised up near his face. One example is in the S-2 opener, "Prodigal Son," where the camera pans in close as he raises the gun during a gunfight and you can see the rollmark on the slide. Internally, Crockett's BT was set up as a .45 to fire .45 blanks because no one in the props business in Hollywood back then made 10mm blanks. Simple make-do and pretend it's a 10mm, sorta.
It's also why Crockett is filmed reloading the Bren Ten so much during gunfights. The magazines for 45acp Bren Tens (called the "Marksman" run of BTs) held only 8 or 9 rounds, while BT 10mm mags held 11-rds.
Noop, it wasn't "nickeled." But that was Michael Mann's reason for wanting the slide hard-chromed.
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JJEH
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Greatest cop show ever. I've got the DVD set but it's also on TUBI right now.
I know we mostly talk about Crockett & Tubbs, but Michael Talbott (Stan Switek) was the real gun guy. I think they even let him use his own guns on set, many were BHP and 1911.
He used to be on social media and I did have a brief conversation with him a few years back.
I know we mostly talk about Crockett & Tubbs, but Michael Talbott (Stan Switek) was the real gun guy. I think they even let him use his own guns on set, many were BHP and 1911.
He used to be on social media and I did have a brief conversation with him a few years back.
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If youse guys are the ultimate Miami Vice hardware nuts, tell me if you ever heard of this tale... which sounds like a very tall tale.
Years ago in a gun forum (it may have been this one but I don't recall...) one poster claimed that he watched them film a night scene with an alley-way gunfight and that Crockett had done a full-speed reload including dropping a magazine in the heat of the battle.
The poster went on to say that he went back and visited the scene the next morning, all production crew packed up and gone, and he collected the lost/left Bren Ten magazine... which of course we are all aware is an irrationally hot item.
The story sounds ridiculous. I want it to be true!
We have a saying in the Baptist church, "Never fact check a preacher story (a sermon illustration) because if it ain't true it oughta be!"
