CSX Trigger 7 lbs
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I don't know the answer to your question but have one for you. Have you tried shooting the CSX? Mine has a 7# trigger and I shoot it really well.
Erich
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Should someone make a lift kit in order to off-road Corvettes?
I've not heard of anyone making replacement components for the CSX, and I'd be suspicious of trying any that might be released because I think they'd be apt not to work well.
If you've read up on the gun, you've seen Uncle Mas' great American Handgunner article (easy to find on Google and previously linked somewhere on this forum in a post by moi) that describes how the CSX was a pet project of Brett Curry, the engineer responsible for the original semiauto M&P. Accordingly, it's an engineering marvel intended for use bythose who've been doing this long enough to appreciate what these guys brought to market at an affordable price - a remarkably efficient package: it's as small as a hammer-fired 12-round 9x19 pistol can be and (at precisely the same size and weight and feel of a Walther PPK without the slide bite) it's just a delight in the hand. No one says it's the be-all-and-end-all, and it's intended for people with enough experience to recognize that no such devices exist. Most people report it shoots more like a full-sized gun than a micro. It does have the reset issue - partially addressed in newer releases, but ultimately requiring the shooter to set aside bad habits he might have picked up (and I'm looking sheepishly in the mirror as I type that
).
So, if that was too long to read through, here's a summary: the CSX is a very efficient package that people in the know appreciate for a specific purpose.
Messing with it implies either 1) a lack of understanding of the specialized purpose of the gun or 2) a belief that some clown who develops a spring kit knows more about how to trick out performance with the device than engineers who actually brought forth (and - this is a big one - had the clout to get the suits to actually market) this specialized pistol.
If a person can't run the CSX in its intended role because of the weight of the trigger pull, that person is probably not an experienced shooter and the gun is not for him/her in that role. Other guns certainly might suit better.
I've not heard of anyone making replacement components for the CSX, and I'd be suspicious of trying any that might be released because I think they'd be apt not to work well.
If you've read up on the gun, you've seen Uncle Mas' great American Handgunner article (easy to find on Google and previously linked somewhere on this forum in a post by moi) that describes how the CSX was a pet project of Brett Curry, the engineer responsible for the original semiauto M&P. Accordingly, it's an engineering marvel intended for use bythose who've been doing this long enough to appreciate what these guys brought to market at an affordable price - a remarkably efficient package: it's as small as a hammer-fired 12-round 9x19 pistol can be and (at precisely the same size and weight and feel of a Walther PPK without the slide bite) it's just a delight in the hand. No one says it's the be-all-and-end-all, and it's intended for people with enough experience to recognize that no such devices exist. Most people report it shoots more like a full-sized gun than a micro. It does have the reset issue - partially addressed in newer releases, but ultimately requiring the shooter to set aside bad habits he might have picked up (and I'm looking sheepishly in the mirror as I type that
). So, if that was too long to read through, here's a summary: the CSX is a very efficient package that people in the know appreciate for a specific purpose.
Messing with it implies either 1) a lack of understanding of the specialized purpose of the gun or 2) a belief that some clown who develops a spring kit knows more about how to trick out performance with the device than engineers who actually brought forth (and - this is a big one - had the clout to get the suits to actually market) this specialized pistol.
If a person can't run the CSX in its intended role because of the weight of the trigger pull, that person is probably not an experienced shooter and the gun is not for him/her in that role. Other guns certainly might suit better.
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Yes, I have a CSX and have shot it. The trigger pull is much heavier than my Hellcat, 5.5 lbs and my Glock 43, 5 - 5.5 lbs. The CSX's trigger pull is heavier than my SA 1911 as well. There is a Glock accessory that when installed allows the 43's trigger to be 3.5 - 4 lbs. I was hoping to be able to reach the Hellcat's trigger pull level which I feel makes my accuracy much improved.
LVSteve
Member
I've yet to handle a CSX, but I suspect I would find that a 7# trigger would not be a problem provided the break takes place at the right angle. As long as all is good with the rest of my grip, what I find is that a trigger break at the wrong angle leads me to nose down the gun and shoot low. I think my slim hands with long fingers make me sensitive in this respect.
I found my CSX trigger to be heavy and gritty..I polished the hammer hooks..(the sear was very smooth) and this eliminated the gritty feel but the trigger is still heavy. I feel quite sure that a somewhat lighter hammer spring will get the trigger down to 5 lbs but none are available as of now. I bought this gun as a "21'" special and as such it will perform very well with a heavy trigger..No..I would not engage in 25-50 yard combat with it but within "tire iron" distances it meets my needs and will allow me to discourage a threat.
Should someone make a lift kit in order to off-road Corvettes?
I've not heard of anyone making replacement components for the CSX, and I'd be suspicious of trying any that might be released because I think they'd be apt not to work well.
If you've read up on the gun, you've seen Uncle Mas' great American Handgunner article (easy to find on Google and previously linked somewhere on this forum in a post by moi) that describes how the CSX was a pet project of Brett Curry, the engineer responsible for the original semiauto M&P. Accordingly, it's an engineering marvel intended for use bythose who've been doing this long enough to appreciate what these guys brought to market at an affordable price - a remarkably efficient package: it's as small as a hammer-fired 12-round 9x19 pistol can be and (at precisely the same size and weight and feel of a Walther PPK without the slide bite) it's just a delight in the hand. No one says it's the be-all-and-end-all, and it's intended for people with enough experience to recognize that no such devices exist. Most people report it shoots more like a full-sized gun than a micro. It does have the reset issue - partially addressed in newer releases, but ultimately requiring the shooter to set aside bad habits he might have picked up (and I'm looking sheepishly in the mirror as I type that
So, if that was too long to read through, here's a summary: the CSX is a very efficient package that people in the know appreciate for a specific purpose.
Messing with it implies either 1) a lack of understanding of the specialized purpose of the gun or 2) a belief that some clown who develops a spring kit knows more about how to trick out performance with the device than engineers who actually brought forth (and - this is a big one - had the clout to get the suits to actually market) this specialized pistol.
If a person can't run the CSX in its intended role because of the weight of the trigger pull, that person is probably not an experienced shooter and the gun is not for him/her in that role. Other guns certainly might suit better.
Excellent post ! Would rival one from any professional gun writer ! Well done !
Erich
Member
Gee, thanks!
Everything is application driven. Being a Toolmaker by trade and an Applications Engineer that has been a handgun enthusiast for over 50 years I am fully aware that not all people will have the same application for the same gun.
For example, we have members that target shoot or have range toys that are J-Frames. Not something I would want to do, but more power to them. I wouldn't attempt to explain to them that's not the application for that gun by implying assumptions about their experience level and telling them their gun is intended for people with enough experience to recognize that's not what it's for.
I apparently am not "in the know" and I have a "lack of understanding" because I understand that very few guns have one purpose only.
Do I have a belief that there are people that develop triggers that knows more about how to trick out performance with the device than engineers who actually brought it forth?
I absolutely know that to be fact. After owning several M&P's I decided to buy a Performance Center M&P for a target gun. The trigger was absolute garbage. It was worse than standard M&P's. I had to replace it with an Apex Trigger. So yes, there are some pretty good trigger guys out there that aren't the Engineers that designed the gun.
I haven't seen or held a CSX yet, but came here to see what folks had to say.
I see that a user that has one thinks he shoots his foreign made Hellcat and Glock better than his Smith & Wesson CSX due to a heavy trigger. Instead of trying to belittle him with ridiculous assumptions maybe S&W will take a look at the trigger. I doubt that though. The "fix" for those that want it will probably be an aftermarket trigger.
Is a heavy trigger the only problem you guys that have them have had?
For example, we have members that target shoot or have range toys that are J-Frames. Not something I would want to do, but more power to them. I wouldn't attempt to explain to them that's not the application for that gun by implying assumptions about their experience level and telling them their gun is intended for people with enough experience to recognize that's not what it's for.
I apparently am not "in the know" and I have a "lack of understanding" because I understand that very few guns have one purpose only.
Do I have a belief that there are people that develop triggers that knows more about how to trick out performance with the device than engineers who actually brought it forth?
I absolutely know that to be fact. After owning several M&P's I decided to buy a Performance Center M&P for a target gun. The trigger was absolute garbage. It was worse than standard M&P's. I had to replace it with an Apex Trigger. So yes, there are some pretty good trigger guys out there that aren't the Engineers that designed the gun.
I haven't seen or held a CSX yet, but came here to see what folks had to say.
I see that a user that has one thinks he shoots his foreign made Hellcat and Glock better than his Smith & Wesson CSX due to a heavy trigger. Instead of trying to belittle him with ridiculous assumptions maybe S&W will take a look at the trigger. I doubt that though. The "fix" for those that want it will probably be an aftermarket trigger.
Is a heavy trigger the only problem you guys that have them have had?
The CSX is still one of my favorite compact SD pistols
I just re-tested my trigger, which now has around (800) rounds thru it, & my Lyman Digital gage averaged 4lbs 7oz.
When new it averaged 5lbs 1oz, as did my son's CSX when it was new.
You can look thru the attached related CSX threads for some other complaints/thoughts but here's some common ones:
- magazines hard to get the last round in. (Gets better with use)
- loaded magazines not dropping free from magwell when released. Partially loaded or empty mags okay. (I fixed mine)
- hard to release slide release on locked back slide if an empty magazine is inserted. (Okay with loaded mag inserted or no mag inserted)
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Anyone with a CSX have their mags stick in the magwell when fully loaded?
.
Thoughts on the CSX
.
CSX-Range Report
.
I just re-tested my trigger, which now has around (800) rounds thru it, & my Lyman Digital gage averaged 4lbs 7oz.
When new it averaged 5lbs 1oz, as did my son's CSX when it was new.
You can look thru the attached related CSX threads for some other complaints/thoughts but here's some common ones:
- magazines hard to get the last round in. (Gets better with use)
- loaded magazines not dropping free from magwell when released. Partially loaded or empty mags okay. (I fixed mine)
- hard to release slide release on locked back slide if an empty magazine is inserted. (Okay with loaded mag inserted or no mag inserted)
.
Anyone with a CSX have their mags stick in the magwell when fully loaded?
.
Thoughts on the CSX
.
CSX-Range Report
.
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