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Hi. I just purchased my first 38 special and was wondering what is the recommended ammo for the 52's. I want to shoot a bit before I embark upon reloading. any factory loads that are good or bad as far as brass for reloading?
I tried looking up the SN A107376 in the Standard catalog of Smith & Wesson (2016) but if I'm reading it right, it shows this number as a bit pre 1970 which makes it a time traveler.

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AL DINAN ACCURIZED SMITH & WESSON 52-2 SEMI AUTO
 
Hi. I just purchased my first 38 special and was wondering what is the recommended ammo for the 52's. I want to shoot a bit before I embark upon reloading. any factory loads that are good or bad as far as brass for reloading?
I tried looking up the SN A107376 in the Standard catalog of Smith & Wesson (2016) but if I'm reading it right, it shows this number as a bit pre 1970 which makes it a time traveler.

pictures here
AL DINAN ACCURIZED SMITH & WESSON 52-2 SEMI AUTO
First: welcome to the forum!

Second: for your first post you are making quite a splash! The model 52, 38 special automatics are somewhat of a rare bird and are considered to be highly desirable by S&W collectors.

Third: In answer to your main question, this pistol will NOT work with run-of-the-mill 38 special ammunition. It is specifically designed to fire 38 special WADCUTTER ammo ONLY. Wadcutters are loaded with a flat-nosed bullet and with the front of the bullet flush with the mouth (open end) of the 38 special brass cartridge casing. More common, ordinary 38 special ammo has a bullet that extends out in front of the brass cartridge casing. So the ammo you are looking for is 38 special wadcutters, and that is the only kind of ammo that will work in this gun.

Fourth: the auction site doesn't show the final sale price. Would you mind sharing what you paid for this collectable S&W pistol?

Again, welcome to the BEST internet forum for all things S&W!
 
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A question and a statement. My question would be what did Dinan do to accurize a Model 52? My statement would be as the others have said that only Match Wadcutter ammo be used. I reload my own and use a 148 grain HBWC with 2.8 grains of Bullseye for my52.
 
Check out Georgia Arms , I shoot their wadcutters . Right now they have it labeled as their "NEW" ammo , which means it's loaded in Starline brass . If you buy some make sure you police up the brass , it's some of the best out there .

Also Battlehawk Armoury has some other types of wadcutters available . Compared to the prices a year or so ago , if you could even find any , they are really not bad . Stock up now , cause this stuff cycles wildly . Either you can't find any , or it's readily available . Let us know how she shoots !
 
Let me add to the welcome, Fulwild. The auto pistol you have bought was built like a watch, and if tuned by Dinan will be even better.

You’ve already been told about the ammo limitation, full wadcutter only. You’ll know immediately whether you have the right ammo since no other 38 Spl round will fit the magazine! The classic labeling on this type of ammo is MRWC - Mid Range Wad Cutter.

Reloading 38 wadcutter may well be the easiest thing you’ve ever done. I would only call your attention to the crimp. Almost any roll crimp tends to interfere with feed and function. Virtually all loaders who make ammo for the Model 52 use one die to seat the bullet flush in the case mouth and a final die to make a taper or “Factory” crimp. That’s what the 52 runs on the best.

Also, don’t try to make a magnum out of it. This gun was completely designed around shooting Mid Range Wadcutters. At the very least you will subject your pistol to excess wear and tear if you “hot rod” the ammo you feed it.

Again, welcome and congratulations on finding such a fine firearm.

Green Frog
 
Hi everybody. As I'm still figuring out how the replies work I'm just going to reply to everyone in this message.
BC38 thanks for the info on the 38WC's. I paid $854 and the total will probably be about $975 by the time it's in my hands. There were a total of 4 Dinan pistols (prices with buyer premium) which appeared to be .45 Wad $1037, Ball $2196, HS Victor $1585 and the 52 $854. Basically a full BE kit.
Thanks for the info on the appropriate ammo. I ordered some 148 WC.

Jeppo thanks for the pics. I'm assuming you like the Precision One? If so I'll order a box to try.

505Gibbs do any of the big guys (Remington, Winchester, Federal) still make 38 spl? Any preferred makers (other than your own reloads)?

AJ I'm not sure what Dinan did. When I get it I'll post some pics. I'm not familiar with what might be done on a 52. Any specific areas to look at or things to look for?

Cherrypointmarine Thanks for the info on the Georgia Arms ammo I couldn't find any ammo labeled as "New". I ordered a box and I hope its the Starline. I always liked their .45 cases.

Green Frog. If I can shoot it I'll be reloading so I'll be coming back for recommendations on dies and setup. I have to dig my reloading stuff out and find an agreed place to set it up. I'm a firm believer in shooting the lightest load that groups and functions.

Thanks everybody.

Does anybody use VV N310? I used 3.8 for .45 195 SWCHP
 
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AJ I'm not sure what Dinan did. When I get it I'll post some pics. I'm not familiar with what might be done on a 52. Any specific areas to look at or things to look for?

I am not sure either. The gun is perfect as it comes from the factory. Not sure just what could be done to it. Someone will come along and let us know.
 
Welcome. I’m a tremendous fan of the Model 52 pistols. Here’s some scattered thoughts that I hope you can use:

Serial numbers at this time are wildly erratic and out of order, I have seen documented cases where some around this number shipped in 1969 and later numbers shipped in 1970. All we know for sure without getting a factory letter is that you have the more modern extractor and the frame is cut for the factory counterweight, these were what made a dash-2, and yours is an early dash-2.

Do understand that if you want magazines, you may experience an absolute SHOCK at what they sell at. If either of the two magazines you have give you fits, come back here and we can probably help.

As for the pistol itself I will add this tip:
Treat that barrel bushing with care. Think of it like an oil filter on a motorcycle — do not EVER make that gorilla tight. There is obviously a spring loaded pin that keeps the bushing from moving on its own, so once you have the bushing finger tight and locked in to a notch, there is no reason to make it more tight. If it comes to you super super tight then use a SAE 3-4” 12-point socket to carefully loosen in. Do not use the “official” S&W Model 52 bushing wrench because that piece of stamped steel is absolute junk. Bottom line is to treat that bushing with care, it is not extra stout and you almost surely will not find another if you damage it.

Your trigger is adjustable in two ways — for pre-travel and for over travel. Pre-travel is not something that matters a lot to me, maybe others are particular about it. It is adjusted with the slide off the pistol, top down in to the frame where you see the large hex head screw over the trigger. For overtravel, this is adjusted with the grip off, through the side where the magazine sits. NOTE! If you choose to adjust the overtravel screw, you already know you make small changes and check, small changes and check -BUT- don’t forget that you need an empty magazine in place to check! I know there is no chance that I am the only fool that made adjustments and could not figure out why I was not getting the job done, hahaha.

I cannot say that I absolutely agree with everything said so far with regards to ammo — at the same time, I am no authority, I just know what works for me and I currently have three 52’s of my own and feed two more that my buddy owns. I would not use any ammo with plated wadcutters as shown. I also do not agree that all kinds of special techniques are required to handload the ammo successfully, and I have heard other folks vehemently trying to convince that the best brass is UN-SIZED brass and I don’t agree with that either.

If you are a seasoned handloader, you will do just fine without any oddball “52 only” full wadcutter loading techniques… and you can and will add your own tweaks along the way as you see fit. Don’t need any wadcutter specific brass either, and I’ve had fantastic success with a slight roll crimp, just like every rimmed revolver round.

Powder? I have always used Bullseye. I’ve done 2.7 and 2.8 and seen very little difference so 2.7 is where I settled. Many love W231 here. As for Viht powders — I do not use them… but any appropriate Vihtavuori powder is almost sure to give excellent results. The biggest thing that all swaged hollow base wadcutter handloaders -HAVE- to know is that an over charge or a double charge is likely to blow the core out of the bullet. This can be an exceptionally dangerous situation if the full caliber skirt is left in the barrel. If this happens and you catch it, things will be fine, just get it out. If you do not catch it and you fire a round behind it, that’s where you can/will bulge the barrel and potentially worse. So yes, we do not ever hotrod a HBWC bullet for any reason, but it can be helpful to know specifically why.
 
Have had both the S&W model 52 as well as the Colt National Match mid-range 1911. Both are very ammo sensitive, and I could not get either to work reliably with my hand loads no matter what I did.
In the past (1970-1975) my wadcutter guns worked well with Remington factory wadcutters, but less well with Winchester. Yours may be the reverse of that; just need to try them out.
Just picked up another Colt mid-range and bought 100 rounds of Remington “Performance WheelGun” wadcutters, but have not yet had a chance to try them out. Lot numbers are: RPW38S3, listed velocity is 710 FPS.
 
Sevens,

Any idea what Dinan did to those guns to make them better?

AJ

No idea at all and I would love to hear from anyone who might have some insight. I know that while the 52 is near and dear to us and always will be, and that it was a contender in its day, there are reasons that competition Bullseye shooters moved on from it and from all .38 guns for this discipline. And one of the knocks on the 52 in particular is that the barrel twist rate has been long argued as sub-optimal and critics will show bullet holes showing a yaw that does not help the accuracy beyond 25 yards.

It was noted in this particular pistol’s auction link that the back strap was heavily modified and the trigger shoe is certainly not original equipment.

I have no idea what Dinan did but I want to bet that many of us wish to think that Dinan looked at the 52 and said some version of “well there is not much I need to do here!” :)
 
I have to agree that $925 for a mechanically sound 52-2 is a good price, and if it is in good cosmetic condition as well, then that is a steal. Especially with two mags.
You done good or maybe even REAL good.
 
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…and I could not get either to work reliably with my hand loads no matter what I did.

Conversely, I have personally owned four examples and fed two more 52’s for my #1 gunbro and two other 52’s for another local buddy. Eight total pistols, approximately 20 different magazines, all were 52-2 pistols except my one example of a 52-1 and across all of these I had only one problem… repeated extraction fails on the first 52 I ever bought, a 1982 example of a 52-2.

I replaced that extractor with a used part from Brownell’s. But all of these eight guns run beautifully with my 2.7gr of Bullseye under a swaged 148gr HBWC.

Bullets — I have used all of these:

—old Star brand, long out of business
—Hornady, which seem to be dusted with fine mica?
—Precision Delta, which is what I would recommend now
—expensive and filthy Remington, bagged and packaged by Black Hills

Feeding a 52 has been a successful experience for me.
 
Get a Lewis Lead Remover kit to clean up leading.

As for Dinan modifications check the disconnector rail to see if it has a tapered ramp machined into it for better first-shot-from-a-magazine feed. (I have seen a picture of one but could never trace who did it) The stippling seems obvious but there may be some on the front strap but covered by the Pachmayr grips. There may be a chance it does not have a factory barrel.

The aluminum trigger shoe that will make your finger black and the rubber grips may have been installed after Alton Dinan worked on the pistol. M52s and other S&W DA/SA pistols (and Beretta M92s) often have the trigger in single action too far back for some shooters, so they install a shoe for target shooting ergonomics.
 
In reading up on him it appears he was one of the first to test multiple barrels in a jig. A piece I read said he wouldn't build a gun around a barrel unless the barrel could hold 1" at 50 yards. I'm not sure what kind of gun you get (if you're a really good smith) and you start with a 1" barrel. I'm getting a kind of sorry ransom rest fixed up and if I can find a place to set it up I'll run some different ammo through it though I'm not sure it's necessarily reflective of off hand accuracy.
 
Jeppo is curious

As someone mentioned, it’s not so typical for someone’s first post to be about such an unusual and highly revered older gun. More often the first post is more like, “I just bought my first gun, a 380 Shield, and wonder which Uncle Mikes holster to get”. 😂

How come you never joined us here before? You clearly know guns and have plenty of experience. Tell us more please.
 
I have owned and shot the model 52-2 extensively. I bought it in the early 70's, the serial number is quite close to yours (A107054?). As many here have mentioned, the pistol only functions with flush seated wadcutters, I could not even load rounds in the magazine, if there was lead exposed beyond the case mouth. Additionally, my pistol much preferred thin brass casings, Remington was the favorite. I tried nickel cases but the empties ended up about twenty feet away and not quite as consistent on target. The pistol is very unforgiving, excessive barrel time and a looong slide travel gives you an immediate feedback when you've screwed up your shot. The trigger on mine breaks at 2.0 lbs. and if they brought out the trigger scales at a match, the pistol went back in the car. I reloaded for it most of the time, until I had a source of free factory ammo, I used a Saeco/Rcbs 148 gr. double ended wadcutter propelled by 2.7 grs. Of Bullseye. I hope this helps.
 
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