The new S&W CSX E Series Pistol.
I'm liking it.
But Hey, I like the older one too.

CSX | Smith & Wesson

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here is the release letter

Canto

It appears to solve all the Gen 1 problems. New trigger, grip inserts, higher mag capacity, red dot capable. I am definitely interested!

Joe

I like the original version. I carry it often. This is an exciting improvement and I’m planning to buy at least one of the 3.6” models. There were no Gen 1 “problems”. It’s a good gun that exposed a lot of training and “lack of training” problems.

People problems aside, this new version might be a hit. Small, hi cap and optic ready - probably with a trigger at least as good if not better than my CSX…A 3.6” version with the Holosun 507K I already have seems like a kick butt low profile carry pistol.

I know that this has been asked before, but if they can make the CSX with an aluminum alloy frame, why can't they bring back the 3rd Gen guns?

Better yet, why can't the put the 3983 designed for NYPD into production?

I know, I'm dreaming.

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The longer barrel makes it a must have for me. I like the "CCO" configuration of shorter grip and longer barrel. This looks like a winner. I will let you know when I get one.

This is the only "E" series that matters. lol

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Heck
YES

A semi-decent take on a recipe done by everyone since 1911. No real exciting flavors and certainly not pushing boundaries… it’s pistol… I mean… culinary monotony. But hey… grilled cheese sure is good.

lol.

I like what I’m reading about it. I will look closely at the 3.6” barrel version when they become available.

Had a Gen 1 CSX when they first came out and for some reason I just couldn’t get it to group good. Trigger wasn’t that great and reset was imperceptible.

If only they would release one chambered in .40 S&W, then I might be interested.

Heck, if they had released one chambered in .30 Super Carry — as they should have done in the first place when they were trying to promote the round — then I could see getting one just for the sake of having something cool and collectible.

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Some like gourmet grilled cheese and some are happy with grilled cheese made with imitation cheese, I'm more of a gourmet kinda fella. lol

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I might take a closer look at one of the WA-compliant versions (3.6" only??) after we move and get settled. I wouldn't mind reverting back to my original SA technique (longtime 1911 guy) ... but it would REALLY interest me if they introduced a .40 model. Otherwise, a Shield 40 is becoming really interesting to me. I can't forget the way I was pleasantly surprised by how nicely the T&E Shield 40 we had for a while handled on our range. It acquitted itself very well in both controllability and practical accuracy, using our 180gr duty ammo of that time. I remember thinking that I ought to trade-in my M&P 40C for one, but I sat on my hands and never got around to it.

It would be even better, from my biased perspective of having taken so many S&W armorer classes , if I could take an armorer class for the CSX. I dunno if they even offer one, though, since it's not exactly a weapon being marketed for LE use.

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I might take a closer look at one of the WA-compliant versions (3.6" only??) after we move and get settled. I wouldn't mind reverting back to my original SA technique (longtime 1911 guy) ... but it would REALLY interest me if they introduced a .40 model. Otherwise, a Shield 40 is becoming really interesting to me. I can't forget the way I was pleasantly surprised by how nicely the T&E Shield 40 we had for a while handled on our range. It acquitted itself very well in both controllability and practical accuracy, using our 180gr duty ammo of that time. I remember thinking that I ought to trade-in my M&P 40C for one, but I sat on my hands and never got around to it.

It would be even better, from my biased perspective of having taken so many S&W armorer classes , if I could take an armorer class for the CSX. I dunno if they even offer one, though, since it's not exactly a weapon being marketed for LE use.

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I wonder if the new trigger can be added to the Gen 1, non-E CSX's?

Yep start making the CS series again!! S&W knows they would sell for sure. They sound more reliable than some of the latest offering and with less headaches.

it is possible.

you would need new fire control assembly and trigger assembly

Close to the size and weight of a 6906; which is 12+1 or 15+1 with the +2 adaptor!

If only the TDA guns were more marketable among today's newer shooters who want SA-ish light triggers.

The improved and tighter machining tolerances of today would likely make 'filing/fitting' extractors unnecessary. We were seeing some of the late production (2010-ish) 3rd gen guns where an extractor could be dropped in and fall within good spec, and it didn't take long for the requirement of buying a .40 extractor bar gauge to be dropped in the M&P pistol armorer classes. (They never even offered extractor bar gauges to armorers for the 9's & .45's, as they concluded the tighter tolerances made them unnecessary, and the 9's and .45's came along after the .40s.)

That would just leave the sear release lever to be fitted for each gun.

I'd also like to see them replace the solid extractor pins with the roll pins they were working on in the last days of the 3rd gen guns. I never got around to calling and getting the tentative list of roll pin sizes for the 3rd gen guns, which we were told they were developing in the Repair dept. Oh well. Maybe a coil pin?

Or, corporate might have a brain bubble and decide to offer a rebirth of the 3rd gen guns in one of their previous DAO variations (which would never interest me, FWIW).

Personally, I'd like to see a trial run of compact and subcompact "4th Gen" TDA guns offered with both aluminum and steel frames. I'd jump on a steel-framed 3913TSW & CS9 so fast my credit card would be steaming. I'd even buy an all-steel 3916TSW if it came with an integral accessory rail. I might even buy another 4040PD or 4013TSW if steel-framed version models were offered. No full-size models, though, as they were belt-mounted boat anchors over the course of a 10-18hr shift.

Day dreaming ...

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Fast bolt, look at the Shadow II Compact. If you can get over the fact it’s a CZ, and not a Smith, I think you’d be please with one.

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Sorry, not a CZ enthusiast.

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Would you know how to go about procuring one of these?

I saw a video on the complete detailed teardown on the CSX. It did not look like fun.
But yeah. a 40 cal would be a good idea for the CSX and the Shield plus.

The legendary 1911 is the most popular and reproduced gun in history by over 100 manufactures all over the planet, and he calls it a cheese samitch.
LOL
🤣

I called S&W and they said, probably not.
I watched this video, and it would more than likely need more than a new trigger.
https://youtu.be/fnyyIqjAoCU

Too bad they missed an opportunity to re-profile it for Equalizer/Plus magazines.

Let's be honest, a CZ would be a vast improvement and up-charge compared to S&W.

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Just added a Talon Grip to the CSX to take up a lot of the empty space on the frame. It feels much better too.

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Depends on someone's training and experience (in applying their training).

I just went through a pristine 6906 for my brother, who had stumbled a great deal for it in the original box. Looked pretty much LNIB. Flash-chromed hammer/trigger, with older drawbar, aluminum mainspring plunger and steel disconnector. It had the straight breech face cut and wide barrel tab, though, as well as the revised (longer) ejector. Very nice.

He wanted some MIM parts for the improved tolerances and smoother DA trigger, and I gave it an armorer inspection.

He said the ejection pattern had been all over the place when he'd fired a couple magazines loads, so I checked the extractor, the extractor fit (Go/No-Go Bar & Flag gauges) and the extractor spring tension. The extractor hook edge and fit was text book, but the extractor spring tension fell at least a pound below the minimum factory spec (checked with the Force Dial gauge S&W had armorers use). Hmmm.

Well, after the 'not unusual' experience of beating on the solid extractor pin with an 8oz ball peen hammer and a 'starter' punch to break it free, I pulled the extractor pin, extractor and its spring. I replaced the spring with a new standard production spring (unpainted), and noticed it stood a little prouder in the spring hole.

I reassembled it to check the spring tension on the gauge and saw it now fell within the lower end of the normal range. The bench checks (gauges and dial) rechecked within normal specs, and I told him to take it home and test-fire to confirm normal functioning. I expect the ejection pattern will probably settle down.

That was a nice 6906. There was very light wear on the aluminum frame rails, and the firing pin channel & spring, and the drawbar plunger, spring and its channel were so clean it probably didn't have many more (if any) rounds than the 2 magazine loads my brother had fired through it after buying it, and maybe a factory test-fire magazine. Everything inside the frame was really clean, with very little fouling from having been fired, even in the nooks and crannies. Lucky guy to have found it ... still in the S&W wrapping paper and cardboard box, manual, etc.

Anyway, my point was that while I showed my brother everything I was doing, and he's very mechanically inclined (works on motorcycles), after I was done with the gun he told me that while he'll be willing to remove the manual safety assembly to clean out the firing pin channel now and then (he lives and plays in the desert), there's no way he's interested in ever tearing down the frame.

If you think the CSX looks a bit complex, you ought to see the armorer manual for disassembling the Walther PPS.

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yes, it is physically possible.

unfortunately unknown if these components will be customer sourced separately.

Looks like the new CSX is beginning to catch on with the Youtube crowd.
https://youtu.be/Yycdig_rBjw

I will post this to the other CSXe series posts that are here simply to throw in my 1.5 cents.


Went to my LGS yesterday to look at the new e series CSX. I have one of the early originals that I modified to rid it of the false reset. I could not have been more disappointed.


The first thing I did was test the trigger and counted three clicks before reset. The first one was very subtle, but I was looking for it and found it quickly. The second and third were pronounced. When I showed the LGS owner, he too was very surprised and said, "I thought they were supposed to fix that ****."


I did take my original CSX down to parts and polished everything. It is notably better than the e series gun I looked at. That saved me a good $500 or more bucks on the spot.


As I said in previous posts, manufactures are falling all over themselves to get out a small high capacity gun to keep up with the Jones' and S&W did a nice job with the CSX, but left out one of the most important parts that turn people away. That is a superb trigger.

No.

Why is reset important? It’s the thing that happens between shooting a round… and then doing the thing that shoots another round. It’s necessary but ancillary and focusing on it rather than trigger press is a dogmatic grasp at marketing and outdated and illogical firearm training.

The CSX is a great pistol. The E-Series adds more. Stop focusing on reset and start learning how to shoot right.

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