CDNN are they really new?

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Hi all,
I just picked up a 6906(NEW) from CDNN, spoke to three different sales reps before pulling the trigger on it. All informed me that they get there new guns from the S&W factory.
I called S&W and they said (In my case anyway)
that they sent this particular serial# to Puerto Rico. Well they must have meant that they get it from the factory over in Puerto Rico. They also said that it came with one new factory mag, and it did, but it was LE marked and smith said they don't send them that way.
New is from the maker to the seller, all day long. To be honest they said I could return it,
I guess for a hefty restocking fee, never the less they offered. It they would have been more honest I would not have bought it, but now that I have it I'll keep it. The price was right but not sure if I would purchase a gun there again.
If I did I would know the right questions to ask. Finally in the land of guns the law is buyers beware

jj
 
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I've bought several new guns from CDNN and have never had the slightest problem.

As far as I'm concerned even if it has gone through dozens of warehouses and distributors before it ends up there, if it's never been out of the box and never been fired after leaving the factory - it's new.

Guns almost never go from the manufacturer to the seller (retailer). There's almost always a distributor or two in the supply chain.

In your case it sounds like a distributor set up a batch for a police department sale that ended up never happening, and that distributor then sold the batch to CDNN. It's still new in my eyes.
 
Sorry jj, I just don't understand the nature of your complaint. When you bought the gun from CDNN, you obviously knew that you were not buying it directly from the S&W factory, right? Did the gun show signs of being used, such holster wear, powder residue in the barrel and chamber, wear marks on the barrel, on the slide, or on the frame, etc? In what way was the firearm an unsatisfactory purchase?
 
Ok,
I stand corrected, you are right as they do go to a distributor.
Also not a complaint as the gun was every bit new. I just expected it to come from where they advised me. Having said that it would be difficult even for them witout research to know where they got it from at least from the person on the phone selling it to me. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

jj
 
I saw a post somewhere that CDNN was selling NIB 6906s so I went to CDNN and dowloaded the catalog. Right there on the front page they have "New Stainless Steel S&W Autos" listed. But, since they later said they included a free S&W blue plastic box and one mag, I kinda figured they weren't NIB 6906s like you and I would think of. After that I just kinda figured they meant new as in a new listing. Kinda like: New, Stainless Steel S&W Autos ...

I just wish they had some prices listed instead of just "CALL". Does that mean it changes depending on who answers the phone, how many they have left?

But, they are new? Do they have the paperwork with them, are the boxes serialized to the gun?
 
I have also purchased new guns from CDNN with great satisfaction. The statement, 'new' may have meant 'unfired' as it is possible they bought a batch of guns from a PD in Puerto Rico that were never fired.

The reason they don't list their prices, is that dealers complained that CDNN's super low prices to the public, made it virtually impossible for dealers to compete. This is a relatively new thing.

I have always been satisfied with CDNN and consider them to be one of the better organizations to deal with.
 
Originally posted by snw19_357:
But, they are new? Do they have the paperwork with them, are the boxes serialized to the gun?
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About a year ago, I bought one of their 4513TSW's and it came in a serialized box with all the trimmings. I even got the free range bag from S&W.
 
My 6906 from CDNN did indeed come with a blue
factory plastic case as well as all the paperwork and a lock. Probably should have been a paper box giving the fact it was made in early 06.

jj
 
I bought two of the "new" 5906 pistols from them a couple months ago and am very happy with these guns. Serialized S & W blue box, all paperwork, in fact one I sent to Smith for warranty work and there wasn't a question. The production code isn't in the latest SC of S&W. There wasn't a collected shell with either gun. After the holidays I intend to call S & W to find out when they were manufactured. They are new.
As far as CDNN goes, they are a stand up company to deal with. I've bought five guns and numerous magazines from them. At one time they had a lot of 686s go through their system. I bought one, it was a real lemon. I called them and they didn't hesitate taking it back (I fired it) and giving me back all my money...I paid the $15.00 shipping voluntsrily.
 
S&W has been shipping guns in plastic boxes since 1996? or somewhere in that time.
 
As others have noted, I don't understand your complaint either.

All guns pass through a distributor before being sold by a retailer...and all magazines get scratched in use.

Bottom line, why do you feel cheated? You bought your new pistol at a darn nice price. Shoot it and be happy
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First let me address the people who think that my post was a complaint. Take it the way you want, but I mearly posted so others are aware of what they will be getting. Secondly in posting I new I would get some positive or negative comments about CDNN. Lastly I would imagine that police departments get their guns direct from S&W. but I could be wrong.
S&W said specifically that this gun did not come with a LE mag. So if it didn't come with a LE mag why would it be a police never issued
gun. To sum it I am happy with it and CDNN as well as others seam to be also. But please note
that the receipt neither said new or used on the gun line, but the extra mag was marked new.
Everyone has a different opinion on what is new to them. I feel more confident about purchasing from CDNN now and I am sure others do as well, just from getting your opinions.
Thanks for all who posted.
jj
 
The definition of "new" can be twisted. I think ATF is pretty serious about gun dealers offering a gun as new if it isn't. I think Gunbroker also is particular about it.

It could be that if a gun comes directly from a manufacturer or distributor to the dealer it can be called new. If it was ever sold to an end user such as a police department or an individual it should be called used, even if in new condition.

CDNN should be more up front about this as I think they push this issue a bit. It isn't as though the guns aren't a great value. They just aren't always direct from distributor with all factory box, paperwork, and magazines. In my opinion an unfired gun from a police department is a used gun.

I have bought one gun from CDNN and it was listed as new and wasn't. It is a single shot pistol that had the muzzle brake loctited on. It was obviously not new. They said I could send it back and if I kept it they would give me a $15 credit. They didn't argue that it wasn't new and I think they knew it. They never gave me the credit and I didn't press the issue. It was still a good value used and I still wanted it at the price purchased. It was misrepresented.
 
Guns made for police contracts often have specifications on how they are to be delivered... which are not the same as retail guns.

For example, the order for California CHP 4006s specified how many magazines and how they were to be delivered (not the same as retail) and how the guns were to be packaged etc.

CDNN buys over-runs of factory guns... often from distributors who buy extras to protect the delivery of guns to good customers. Later they sell off the extras to companies such as CDNN.

The guns listed as new are new, in the sense they have not been fired since they left the factory... but they have passed through one or more distributors/deaelrs.

Some years ago I bought some M19 revolvers that had been bought by a police dept as spare guns to protect the issued guns should one fail... the guns I bought were all NIB... but had been in the PD's vault for about 35 years... I consider these new guns in that they were unfired and with box/papers etc. Some might not agree with my classification (but a lot of people do... and have tried to buy mine.)

FWIW

Chuck

Originally posted by snw19_357:
I saw a post somewhere that CDNN was selling NIB 6906s so I went to CDNN and dowloaded the catalog. Right there on the front page they have "New Stainless Steel S&W Autos" listed. But, since they later said they included a free S&W blue plastic box and one mag, I kinda figured they weren't NIB 6906s like you and I would think of. After that I just kinda figured they meant new as in a new listing. Kinda like: New, Stainless Steel S&W Autos ...

I just wish they had some prices listed instead of just "CALL". Does that mean it changes depending on who answers the phone, how many they have left?

But, they are new? Do they have the paperwork with them, are the boxes serialized to the gun?
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Anyone who might be uncomfortable with buying "new" 3rd Generation Smiths from CDNN should do what I did and buy used. CDNN sells used guns in nearly all grades. Their used guns make no pretensions of being new and you don't have to worry about your used gun having some dust on it.

I just wish they had some prices listed instead of just "CALL". Does that mean it changes depending on who answers the phone, how many they have left?
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CDNN's paper catalog still has the prices listed.
 
I know that I can't buy from S&W so I have to go through a distributor. The thing that puzzled me was the one mag and 'free box'.

If it's unfired, and has the box serialized to it w/ paperwork, it's new. Whether purchased from a place like CDNN (or any other) or a private party.
 
Originally posted by snw19_357:
The thing that puzzled me was the one mag and 'free box'.
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Blame their stupid marketing department for that.

All they would have to say is "Comes with factory case and one mag!" which is accurate, and should remove most doubt.
 
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