Hi all,
I just picked up a 6906(NEW) from CDNN, spoke to three different sales reps before pulling the trigger on it. All informed me that they get there new guns from the S&W factory.
I called S&W and they said (In my case anyway)
that they sent this particular serial# to Puerto Rico. Well they must have meant that they get it from the factory over in Puerto Rico. They also said that it came with one new factory mag, and it did, but it was LE marked and smith said they don't send them that way.
New is from the maker to the seller, all day long. To be honest they said I could return it,
I guess for a hefty restocking fee, never the less they offered. It they would have been more honest I would not have bought it, but now that I have it I'll keep it. The price was right but not sure if I would purchase a gun there again.
If I did I would know the right questions to ask. Finally in the land of guns the law is buyers beware

jj

I've bought several new guns from CDNN and have never had the slightest problem.

As far as I'm concerned even if it has gone through dozens of warehouses and distributors before it ends up there, if it's never been out of the box and never been fired after leaving the factory - it's new.

Guns almost never go from the manufacturer to the seller (retailer). There's almost always a distributor or two in the supply chain.

In your case it sounds like a distributor set up a batch for a police department sale that ended up never happening, and that distributor then sold the batch to CDNN. It's still new in my eyes.

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Sorry jj, I just don't understand the nature of your complaint. When you bought the gun from CDNN, you obviously knew that you were not buying it directly from the S&W factory, right? Did the gun show signs of being used, such holster wear, powder residue in the barrel and chamber, wear marks on the barrel, on the slide, or on the frame, etc? In what way was the firearm an unsatisfactory purchase?

Ok,
I stand corrected, you are right as they do go to a distributor.
Also not a complaint as the gun was every bit new. I just expected it to come from where they advised me. Having said that it would be difficult even for them witout research to know where they got it from at least from the person on the phone selling it to me. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

jj

I have purchased several new ans used guns from CDNN - never had a problem.

I saw a post somewhere that CDNN was selling NIB 6906s so I went to CDNN and dowloaded the catalog. Right there on the front page they have "New Stainless Steel S&W Autos" listed. But, since they later said they included a free S&W blue plastic box and one mag, I kinda figured they weren't NIB 6906s like you and I would think of. After that I just kinda figured they meant new as in a new listing. Kinda like: New, Stainless Steel S&W Autos ...

I just wish they had some prices listed instead of just "CALL". Does that mean it changes depending on who answers the phone, how many they have left?

But, they are new? Do they have the paperwork with them, are the boxes serialized to the gun?

I have also purchased new guns from CDNN with great satisfaction. The statement, 'new' may have meant 'unfired' as it is possible they bought a batch of guns from a PD in Puerto Rico that were never fired.

The reason they don't list their prices, is that dealers complained that CDNN's super low prices to the public, made it virtually impossible for dealers to compete. This is a relatively new thing.

I have always been satisfied with CDNN and consider them to be one of the better organizations to deal with.

About a year ago, I bought one of their 4513TSW's and it came in a serialized box with all the trimmings. I even got the free range bag from S&W.

My 6906 from CDNN did indeed come with a blue
factory plastic case as well as all the paperwork and a lock. Probably should have been a paper box giving the fact it was made in early 06.

jj

I bought two of the "new" 5906 pistols from them a couple months ago and am very happy with these guns. Serialized S & W blue box, all paperwork, in fact one I sent to Smith for warranty work and there wasn't a question. The production code isn't in the latest SC of S&W. There wasn't a collected shell with either gun. After the holidays I intend to call S & W to find out when they were manufactured. They are new.
As far as CDNN goes, they are a stand up company to deal with. I've bought five guns and numerous magazines from them. At one time they had a lot of 686s go through their system. I bought one, it was a real lemon. I called them and they didn't hesitate taking it back (I fired it) and giving me back all my money...I paid the $15.00 shipping voluntsrily.

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So.......how much WERE the 6906's?

S&W has been shipping guns in plastic boxes since 1996? or somewhere in that time.

As others have noted, I don't understand your complaint either.

All guns pass through a distributor before being sold by a retailer...and all magazines get scratched in use.

Bottom line, why do you feel cheated? You bought your new pistol at a darn nice price. Shoot it and be happy

First let me address the people who think that my post was a complaint. Take it the way you want, but I mearly posted so others are aware of what they will be getting. Secondly in posting I new I would get some positive or negative comments about CDNN. Lastly I would imagine that police departments get their guns direct from S&W. but I could be wrong.
S&W said specifically that this gun did not come with a LE mag. So if it didn't come with a LE mag why would it be a police never issued
gun. To sum it I am happy with it and CDNN as well as others seam to be also. But please note
that the receipt neither said new or used on the gun line, but the extra mag was marked new.
Everyone has a different opinion on what is new to them. I feel more confident about purchasing from CDNN now and I am sure others do as well, just from getting your opinions.
Thanks for all who posted.
jj

The definition of "new" can be twisted. I think ATF is pretty serious about gun dealers offering a gun as new if it isn't. I think Gunbroker also is particular about it.

It could be that if a gun comes directly from a manufacturer or distributor to the dealer it can be called new. If it was ever sold to an end user such as a police department or an individual it should be called used, even if in new condition.

CDNN should be more up front about this as I think they push this issue a bit. It isn't as though the guns aren't a great value. They just aren't always direct from distributor with all factory box, paperwork, and magazines. In my opinion an unfired gun from a police department is a used gun.

I have bought one gun from CDNN and it was listed as new and wasn't. It is a single shot pistol that had the muzzle brake loctited on. It was obviously not new. They said I could send it back and if I kept it they would give me a $15 credit. They didn't argue that it wasn't new and I think they knew it. They never gave me the credit and I didn't press the issue. It was still a good value used and I still wanted it at the price purchased. It was misrepresented.

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Guns made for police contracts often have specifications on how they are to be delivered... which are not the same as retail guns.

For example, the order for California CHP 4006s specified how many magazines and how they were to be delivered (not the same as retail) and how the guns were to be packaged etc.

CDNN buys over-runs of factory guns... often from distributors who buy extras to protect the delivery of guns to good customers. Later they sell off the extras to companies such as CDNN.

The guns listed as new are new, in the sense they have not been fired since they left the factory... but they have passed through one or more distributors/deaelrs.

Some years ago I bought some M19 revolvers that had been bought by a police dept as spare guns to protect the issued guns should one fail... the guns I bought were all NIB... but had been in the PD's vault for about 35 years... I consider these new guns in that they were unfired and with box/papers etc. Some might not agree with my classification (but a lot of people do... and have tried to buy mine.)

FWIW

Chuck

Anyone who might be uncomfortable with buying "new" 3rd Generation Smiths from CDNN should do what I did and buy used. CDNN sells used guns in nearly all grades. Their used guns make no pretensions of being new and you don't have to worry about your used gun having some dust on it.

CDNN's paper catalog still has the prices listed.

I know that I can't buy from S&W so I have to go through a distributor. The thing that puzzled me was the one mag and 'free box'.

If it's unfired, and has the box serialized to it w/ paperwork, it's new. Whether purchased from a place like CDNN (or any other) or a private party.

CDNN does not ship to us NY'ers, otherwise I'd be calling them right now.

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Sure you did

Blame their stupid marketing department for that.

All they would have to say is "Comes with factory case and one mag!" which is accurate, and should remove most doubt.

I have done many transactions with CDNN and been satisfied each time. Sometime there might be a problem if you do not read each ad carefully. In the current catalog(paper) they are selling new 5906 and used 5906. Same with other models.
If you call or e-mail and ask they will send you a paper catalog with all prices in it.

Orded many items from CDNN, including guns when I had my FFL, and never had any probles with the products or the company.

S&W ships LE guns with 3 magazines. If the guns are 'less expensive' and only come with 1 magazine, how much does it cost to replace the 2 missing magazines with NEW mags? Is that worth the difference in price?

EVERY new LE S&W or Glock that I've ever purchased came with 3 mags, in a factory sealed box.

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Bring back the S&W 10mm!!

New S&W magazines for any of the 3d Generation pistols run about $40 retail. I suspect that companies like CDNN will strip extra magazines out of a 'new' pistol case to resell the magazines for a little more profit. That's OK - it helps keep the overall cost of the pistol low and CDNN will sell these magazines as 'used' for far less than the retail cost.

Also keep in mind that CDNN still gets in lots of 'post ban' stock - guns that come with only 10-round magazines. To sell them CDNN has to scrounge up at least one hi-cap magazine per pistol. That's why much of what they offer comes with only one hi-cap.

So would you consider a gun that hasn't been fired but has been clanked around in my safe for 20 years to be new? I don't think so. In my opinion, once it is sold to the end user, consumer or police department, it's used. I had a Walther P99 and a Star Firestar both replaced by the importers (S&W and Interarms respectively). In both cases, I traded the replacement guns (which were sent directly to me) in on different guns. Both dealers told me that they could not sell them as new because I as the consumer had already taken possession of them. I agree. They both did sell them as used but let the buyers know that I had stated they were unfired. If a police department did take posession of the guns that CDNN is selling as "new", then I think they're being less than fully truthful. In cases like that, they need to tell the whole story. Something like "unfired excess inventory received from police department" would be more appropriate. Of course, if a distributor intended on selling them to a police department, never did, but instead sold them to DCNN, then "new" is accurate.

I am looking at getting one of the 6906s from CDNN. Can you please tell me if the gun was fired, did it have any marks on it. The price seems good, but Im wondering if the gun is in perfect(new) condition.

The Smith 6904 + 6906 are the best double stack shorty auto's Smith has EVER produced!!! PERIOD..... My 6904 is on duty every day with me!!!

Loomis Guard

How much are the 6906's from CDNN???? The catalog says to call for the price.

The 6906 is my favorite pistol in the whole wide world!!!!!

$399.99 For the 6906 and 5906. They state it new...but I'm curious to see if they are truly NIB
Here the S&Ws from their news letter

Smith & Wesson 6906

* 9mm · Stainless · Alloy Frame · 1-12rd Mag · 3-DOT Sights · New #SMI149478 $399.99

Smith & Wesson 5906

* 9mm · Stainless · 3-DOT Sights · 1-15rd Mag · Case · New #SMI149479 $399.99

Smith & Wesson 637 AirWeight

* 38 Special · 1.88" Barrel · Stainless · Alloy Frame · 5-Shot · New #SMI163050 $349.99

Smith & Wesson 642 AirWeight

* 38 Special · 1.88" Barrel · Stainless · Alloy Frame · Hammerless · New #SMI163810 $359.99

Smith & Wesson M&P

* 40s&w · 4.25" Barrel · Fixed Sights · 1-15rd Mag · Case · Test & Evaluation #SMI309200 $359.99

Smith & Wesson SW99

* 40s&w · Night Sights · DA/SA · Decocker · 2-12rd Mags · Case · Smith & Wesson Slide/Walther Frame · New #SMI320202 $389.99

Smith & Wesson 4013TSW Shorty

* 40s&w · Rail · 3.5" Barrel · 1-9rd Mag · 3-DOT Sights · Test Fired · New #SMI604444 $399.99

Smith & Wesson SW40E Enhanced

* 40s&w · Night Sights · Rail · 1-14rd Mag · New · Test Fired #SMISW40ELN $259.99

Thanks CarbineKid !!! That's an awesome deal!!

Friends,

I've purchased a couple of guns (all new items), and a TON of mags from CDNN over the last couple of years... and never had a problem.

One example: a model 296 new, in original box, etc. for $370. I wish I would have bought more.

Anyway, the guy (salesman) I prefer to deal with is a gent named Neil (maybe spelled Neal). He's always been very up front and helpful. If you're going to call, I suggest you ask to speak with him. For the record, I'm not associated with CDNN or anything like that.

Best wishes,

Roger a.k.a. Mr. Wonderful

I've also had good luck. I got their email specials the other day which included an M&P 40 for around $340. I called to see if it was new so I could get the rebate (I will buy an M&P for 290 all day long) and the sales rep told me it was not "new" but a factory tested deal. I know alot of places sell these guns as factory new, or whatever you want to call it, but I thought the honesty was good.

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A couple weeks ago at shot show I made it a point to ask every major manufacturer I cam across if they sell direct or only through distributors. Out of all the big ones, Sig and Kimber are the only that will deal direct. All the others go through distributors (some will deal direct if you're part of a buying group).

I wouldn't worry if it had been through a couple distributors, or even a couple dealers.

FWIW to the OP, I feel the same way--it is buyer beware.

I sent a pistol back with their agreement (RMA from the sales manager) for a FULL refund including shipping due to their mistake.

Over a month after they have received the pistol I am still waiting for a complete refund.

They only process returns on Sat. and you can't talk to the person that does them.

So, buyer beware.

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I snagged a $399 5906 from them this week and it is NIB. I'm VERY happy with the deal.

I just ordered one today(impulse buy). So I was wondering if anyone has any info/history on this model. I believe its an older one(pre rail). Any info is appreciated.

I have purchased many guns from CDNN and never had a problem.

This might explain the gun history. In Puerto Rico, local police departments cannot buy guns from gun stores. They have to purchase from the factory or a distributor. When the deal fell apart (distributor should have asked for cash up front) the distributor needed to sell the guns. It is illegal to sell a LEO marked magazine to anyone but police departments. With the gun ban over the distributor swaped an LEO mag and removed the 2 new factory mags and then sold the lot to CDNN.

Almost 20 years ago a distributor I knew in Miami ordered 200 S&W 10s for a PR police department. The department gave them the shaft and went with Glocks. The distributor was very lucky that they had a retail chain that took them off their hands. I was able to pick up 2 directly from the distributor (I had an FFL) for $125 each.

man 125 for a 1006 that is a steal.

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My 5906 came in from CDNN today. It is indeed new. Its also filthy, and bone dry. I think its been sitting in a warehouse for a loooong time. The egg shell foam in the case, is almost flat...from storage I guess. I wonder when it was made...does anyone know? My serial # starts out the same as the one pictured above.
Anyhow at $399 he guns a steal.

Well I dunno ... his complaint seems pretty clear to me. He says that he was repeatedly told that the pistol was new and came from the S&W factory. The only meaningful inference that could be drawn was that it had come directly from the factory (regular shipping methods excepted) and had no previous owner(s), and therefore no depreciation should be taken into account in the purchase price.

Assuming that those representations were indeed made as jj reports, he was misled, and I don't blame him for feeling annoyed. Other people may well have had excellent experiences with the seller, but that doesn't excuse this incident.

Exactly.

JMOfartO:

Well, I wouldn't worry about the CDNN S&W 6906's cause they "be all sold"...

I managed to snag one tho, and it came NIB with the blue plastic case, numbered and lettered to the pistol. It was wrapped in the S&W factory logo oil paper and as far as I'm concerned it is new...

I've also bought 3 HK P7's from Neal(Ray) at CDNN and two came "as new", and was was NIB.. As advertised.

My local dealer bought three of the surplus Sig P6's and immediately added $100.00 to the price and placed them in the glass case to sell.

I am more than pleased with CDNN. They offer great prices, and stand behind what they sell. When you are buying surplus stock that has been in the "system" for a decade or two chances are a mistake or two might happen, but if the seller stands behind the merchandise, what's the problem.

****, I'm considering buying one of the 5906's before they're gone.

Just personal opinion, no offense intended.

Jesse

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I ordered a CDNN 5906, and it arrived yesterday. It is definitely brand new, was bone-dry, but it was actually immaculately clean inside and out. It came in a blue plastic S&W box.

My question is, are these standard 5906 markings? Something seems different about them, but I don't know what.

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I sent back a S&W 65 that CDNN assured me was a round butt (I asked specifically before buying) and it was supposed to be in excellent condition. It was neither.

I had an RMA from their sales manager for full refund INCLUDING shipping BOTH ways.

I sent it back and it took about 2 months but I got most of my money back. This was after countless calls to them and the elusive "returns dept". I never actually got my shipping back.

As they say, buyer beware.

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Let us all understand a few things about CDNN:

1. They are NOT a regular S&W distributor.
2. They ARE a liquidator.
3. They buy overstock or left overs from retail dealers, other distributors, LE agencies, or anyone else that has ANYTHING they think they can turn a profit with, including magnifying glasses, bird watching stuff and so forth.
4. They ROUTINELY take the supplied extra magazines out of makes for which they are not a regular distributor (they do not do this, as near as I can tell, with FN products as they are an FN distributor/dealer and are by contract expected to see FN product as FN advertises it). This is, in part, how they have such a large magazine inventory, and why many extra mags you can buy from them are not in factory packaging, but in generic bags that say "Factory original" or "OEM" or similar.
5. They also buy provate collections and will advertise and sell the S&Ws as "New in the Box" even though they came from the estate of a collector, etc. I know this first hand.
6. I recently received what was advertised as NIB 5946 and 5943, and neither were NIB. One was not even in its original box, but was in a plastic box for a J frame. Neither had all of the appropriate literature and neither had the trigger lock, etc. In fairness, both looked like they could pass for new, but without all literature and without original boxes, they were not what I thought. They gave me a return authorization and refunded almost all of my money (they kept $35.00 or so - I suppose a 10% restocking fee or shipping or something - I was just happy to get my money back).
7. I purcahsed a supposedly NIB Model 13 3 inch from CDNN and although it was in the correct two piece box, it could in no way qualify as NIB as the trigger pull is so light it is obvious that springs have been chopped, replaced, etc. (no the strain screw is not loose). I was really pissed about this, but kept the revolver and will send it S&W and let S&W restore it.
8. I have purchased many guns from CDNN over the years, but have come to the conclusion that: (1) their magazines are way overpriced (I have an FFL and their mags are always higher than I can buy them for), although I admit they are much lower than retail, (2) always ask how many mags you get when you order a pistol from them, (3) make sure the mags they ship are factory originals - I know that they have been known to put Mec-Gar branded mags or some other aftermarket mags in with guns, (4) always assume than any gun they have was acquired as part of someone else's liquidation or a LE agency trade in (even LE agencies trade in unissued guns), (5) the only gun they should advertise as NIB is one they got from S&W, and otherwise they should advertise where they got them, or at least say they are trades, liquidations, etc., (6) they seem willing to refund money if the purchaser is not satisfied, (7) I have only had the two questionable transactions with CDNN over the years, however, those were enough to make me very cautious in the future - no I just assume that I am not really getting NIB no matter what they say, and then I am not disappointed, (8) My sales person, Seth, is above reproach, and quickly made good on the transaction with the two S&Ws.
9. I would and have bought from CDNN since the transaction with the 5946 and 5943, however, I now do so with the understanding that whatever S&Ws I buy there are not really ever NIB as CDNN did not really get them from the factory as they are not an S&W distributor. The one exception is the occasional S&W vault clear-out, the last one of which was 2 or 3 years ago. CDNN's advertising on that sale was much different as they used S&Ws assigned SKU numbers.
10. When buying from CDNN, ask alot of questions, and assume it is used. Then you will not be disappointed.

JMOfartO:

The heading at the top of the CDNN catalog says:
"America's Largest Hunting Sports Wholesale LIQUIDATOR"

Page 131 Explains all of the rules and regulations such as the buyer has a three day "inspection" period for defective merchandise", and the buyer must pay a 15% "restocking fee", and return shipping.

Sounds about right to me.

A prospective customer knows up front that he is buying merchandise that is being liquidated. He knows that if it's defective he/she has three days to return it, no problem, but will incur a 15% restocking fee, and must pay for return shipping.

If those conditions don't appeal to you, don't buy from CDNN.

SO FAR I have never purchased one item from CDNN that I did not feel I had received precisely what I ordered, and paid less for it from them than I would have paid anywhere else.

As to the number of magazines you get when you buy a pistol from CDNN. You get the number they advertise. Obviously CDNN is marketing as low a price as they can figure out a way to put on whatever it is they are selling, and if removing a magazine and dropping the price another $20-40 makes business sense to them, it works for me.

I don't know why anyone would be satisfied with only one magazine for a pistol, but if one magazine is advertised that's the deal. IF you want extras, buy 'em. They're right there in the catalog.

CDNN sells a LOT of stuff. They didn't get to be the largest wholesale liquidator in the country by screwing customers.

I'm of the opinion that CDNN makes an honest effort to sell precisely what they advertise. No doubt sometimes mistakes are made, but betcha' if CDNN makes a mistake they will try to make it right. The reason they will try and make it right is because it's good business...

I've yet to hear from some dissatisfied CDNN customer posting they got a screw job from CDNN, and CDNN absolutely refused to make it right.

We all know you cannot satisfy all the people all of the time, but it seems CDNN does have a good reputation overall, and they try to do right.

That's all you can ask.

I could be wrong, been wrong before, but so far CDNN has treated me right.

Just personal opinion, contrary opinions welcomed.

Best Wishes,

Jesse

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my last purchase from them was a 4006 deal.. I requested a really clean one and paid the extra for a "like new ".
I was surprised when my gun arrived..looking as though it had never been fired nor carried..I'm guessing it was in the duty armory, but never made it to the street. I was very pleased. If the many slightly used mags I've bought from them..only one seems to have a questionably weak spring maing it a range mag rather than something I'd depend on as it is more like 90% instead of 100% reliable as the others have been. Nuttin but good experiences and exceeding my expectations from them.
If I was into 9mm I'd have already grabbed one of those deals you got.

Bought many guns from CDNN during the 12 years I had an FFL (1994-2006). Never had any problems.

I guess my problem is that their salesman was flat out wrong about the product. So much so that the sales manager authorized return without restock fee and a return on shipping both ways.

Two months later I got most my money back, but never shipping. Two months for a refund is ridiculous especially when they had the item back and signed for in 2 days.

I have ordered numerous times from them without any problem. I guess my point is, just be 100% sure of what you are getting, or you may be waiting a while to get your money back.

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Just bought my first NIB S&W 5906 from CDNN... and it WAS totally brand new (tho made in 2006)... in the box, with paper-work and everything! Could care less where it came from, or who had it... IT WAS NIB!!!
Very prompt service (FFL had it in 2 days), very courteous salesman (Seth), ZERO problems!!! Would definitely order from them again... and will!

I'm thinking they've been in business a long time, being formerly known as West Texas Wholesale. I've never heard anything but good from the company over many years. I've ordered from them on occasion and have found them to be more satisfying than most similar establishments.