I met a guy who says he has a S&W auto that was issued by the CIA. Anyone know anything about what guns the CIA was using?
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I met a guy who says he has a S&W auto that was issued by the CIA. Anyone know anything about what guns the CIA was using?
Erich
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I know that with two exceptions who did not talk about it until I got to know them very well and who did not tell me about it themselves initially, every individual I've ever met who claimed to have been a guntoter for the CIA was completely full of hooey.
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You might be right. I do know he has spent a lot of time traveling outside the US in South America, Nepal, and SEA. He did own a travel agency and could talk a snake into buying two pairs of shoes. He could have been involved with an agency but I am trying to get some info to verify parts of his story.
panamajack310
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Hey, Actually I recall reading the CIA used the S&W 39 and 59 in vietnam. Some had a threaded barrel for silencers.
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I agree, and then there is not a lot of discussion about it.
I was under the impression that some CIA were issued the ASP S&W 39, as designed by Seventrees, aka Paris Theodore. Here's a brief wiki article about the pistol - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASP_(handgun)
CAJUNLAWYER
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I'm not at liberty to tell you what I was issued, if I was issued anything at all. For that matter-I can't tell you if I am even eligible to get issued anything. In fact, I may not even be here.
PX15
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FWIW:
I can't speak to anything that occurred while I might have been in the CIA as it's still classified.
I do happen to have one photo of the S&W pistol that MIGHT have been issued to both myself and my partner, or not..
Please don't ask for any specifics, I'm pushing the envelope as it is by posting this photo.
Booyabase.. (not my real name)
I can't speak to anything that occurred while I might have been in the CIA as it's still classified.
I do happen to have one photo of the S&W pistol that MIGHT have been issued to both myself and my partner, or not..
Please don't ask for any specifics, I'm pushing the envelope as it is by posting this photo.
Booyabase.. (not my real name)
george minze
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A excellent answer, In the frame of Senator "I have no personal recollection of that event".
george minze
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Paris Theodore his name keeps popping up. A innovator, a designer and probably one of the world's great BS artist and self promoters. However the Asp did influence S&W (3913) and I had seen one of the Seventrees holsters in NY back in the 70s I think the first impression was. Not many stitches in the holster. I shot an ASP was not impressed by the trigger pull but did like the see through grips and I thought the guttersnipe sight was interesting. It took forever to get (A judge had bought it). Now must be a collectors piece, and after somebody posted a picture of a Seventrees holster I found out that Paris Theodore had passed away. He did have innovative ideas.
prisoner6
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Here is a photo of my ASP, and I know a bit about it's past. The original owner did work for aGovernment Agnecy and casrried this as a duty weapon, but I have no reason to believe it was CIA.
jaysouth
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I have never been in the CIA, however the frontline employee is called an Intelligence Officer. In most applications, his job is to cultivate intelligence sources. I can't imagine one carrying any weapon except in extreme circumstances. They are expected to comport themselves as gentlemen and diplomats.
There are the Paramilitary folks who carry whatever is locally available. If you were doing somthing deniable, you would likely be carrying gear made in any country but the USA.
Paramilitary folks in SE Asia zipped around sporting Swedish Ks submachine guns and FN HPs.
PMs in Afganistan are carrying Glocks and AKs.
There are also uniformed CIA security guards at CIA facilities in the US. If they are carrying Berettas(for example) you could expect to find a gun show exhibitor selling "genuine CIA Berettas"(from CDNN, of course).
From my too many years as a bartender, I don't believe any war stories. I have heard too many BS stories from wannabe heroes.
There are the Paramilitary folks who carry whatever is locally available. If you were doing somthing deniable, you would likely be carrying gear made in any country but the USA.
Paramilitary folks in SE Asia zipped around sporting Swedish Ks submachine guns and FN HPs.
PMs in Afganistan are carrying Glocks and AKs.
There are also uniformed CIA security guards at CIA facilities in the US. If they are carrying Berettas(for example) you could expect to find a gun show exhibitor selling "genuine CIA Berettas"(from CDNN, of course).
From my too many years as a bartender, I don't believe any war stories. I have heard too many BS stories from wannabe heroes.
glypnir
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When I was in engineering school, somebody suggested I apply to the CIA for a job. Is that close enough?
I didn't.
Between Porter Goss and Leon Panetta, I wonder who is going to be left at the Company. Not to mention having a director of National Intelligence or whatever the heck they call him doing the job the CIA was supposed to do in the first place.
I didn't.
Between Porter Goss and Leon Panetta, I wonder who is going to be left at the Company. Not to mention having a director of National Intelligence or whatever the heck they call him doing the job the CIA was supposed to do in the first place.
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I've read about something that got nicknamed the "hush puppy" that might have been in the CIA category. Supposedly it was a Smith 9mm tuned to work with a silencer and subsonic ammo (long before the current 147 gr loads became popular). The couple references I've seen to it claimed it got its name because it was intended to put down guard dogs before they could alert or do damage.
Also, again from readings, I don't think that the ASP was any kind of CIA weapon. What I've read suggests that it was created as a Secret Service weapon for protection details in embassies and the like where they had to blend in by dressing formally (i.e. tuxes and similar wear).
Also, again from readings, I don't think that the ASP was any kind of CIA weapon. What I've read suggests that it was created as a Secret Service weapon for protection details in embassies and the like where they had to blend in by dressing formally (i.e. tuxes and similar wear).
Exactly right. My dad's best friend started in the OSS, predecessor to the CIA. He couldn't care less about firearms. He had a great career. Spent a lot of time entertaining and going to parties --- always seemed to get great assignments ---- Paris, London, Washington.
charlie sherrill
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I was once used for a reference for a friend who had applied for employment with the CIA about 25 years ago. Someone called and I answered a few questions. I guess they hired him. I haven't heard from him since.
CAJUNLAWYER
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Actually the hushpuppy was used by the CIA assassin "double 'ought buck"
Double-O-Dave
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Everything I ever read about the "hush puppy" was that is was used by US Navy Seals in Viet Nam. It was a suppressed Model 39 firing special sub-sonic rounds. It's stated purpose was to eliminate guard/sentry dogs. It wouldn't surprise me if actual CIA field agents had one in their kit or arms room.
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Dave
Bobwtn
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From I have heard, CIA contracted out the gun use anyway, so they would not get their hands dirty.
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