1/29/2018: LATEST INFORMATION ON THE CMP 1911 PISTOLS!
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vonn
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I bet they are swamped with inquiries!
I like how they are going to release the order package way early so I can get all my ducks in a row beforehand. I would like a Colt, no matter how many times it has been refurbed. If not, a Remington Rand will do just fine. It will make a good companion to my decom Marine M45A1.
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I don't know who "they" are. Who are these people and how do they know so much?
Fact is, the CMP has absolutely no mention of a dollar amount for the 1911s on their website.
Click here to read everything the CMP has to say about this to date.
But just in case no one wants to make an extra mouse-click, here's a direct quote from the CMP regarding pricing:
"Concerning sale price of the 1911s: CMP has been selling M1 Garands, M1 Carbines, 1903s, .22s, etc. for 21+ years and we have never taken advantage of anyone. CMP is not going to start price gouging people now with the 1911s. The 1911s will be priced at fair market value just like our M1 Garands. The CMP's enabling legislation directs sales of items at fair market value."
cgt4570
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My biggest issue with this CMP sale is that they will NOT accept a C&R FFL for shipping these 1911's which obviously qualify as C&R. Instead they are requiring buyers to pay for a NICS background check TWICE! :-(
oddshooter
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I am a huge fan of the CMP, but I think the way they are handling it with all the silly requirements will give them a black eye in the end. It's just not necessary.
They have such a great history, I hate to see it change over being so PC.
I've heard friends bad mouthing them who have been lifetime supporters.
and all from trying to do the right thing the wrong way.
They have such a great history, I hate to see it change over being so PC.
I've heard friends bad mouthing them who have been lifetime supporters.
and all from trying to do the right thing the wrong way.
What motivated the US Army to buy 8,000 1911-A1 .45 ACP's? It's intriguing because the 1911 .45 was the first offensive battle handgun of modern era military. Is the US Army preparing to do serious covert work on enemies of the USA?
BTW, I know the Colt 1911-A1 is the definitive 1911-A1. I own a S&W 1911-A1. It's beyond incredibly accurate. It's been 100% reliable. The external extractor has been flawless. I'd compare it with the best of the best 1911-A1's.
JMB's original 1911 design had an external extractor.
JMB's original 1911 design had an external extractor.
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I'm not sure what you're talking about here.
The Army (or any other branch of the military) isn't buying these pistols. They've been government/military property ever since they were manufactured. They aren't all "Army" pistols, either, and never were. Every branch of the military used the 1911A1 during the WWII, Korea, and even on into Vietnam. The military (through Congress) is transferring the pistols to the CMP to sell to people like us. Civilians.
These 1911s/1911A1s are probably at least 70-years-old, maybe older. They're WWII era pistols made by Colt, Ithaca, and Remington Rand. Maybe there'll be some US&S and Remington UMC pistols in this lot, who knows? Maybe there'll be some genuine collectors' pistols in the lot. There's simply no way to tell at this stage of the process. Anticipation is part of the fun...what'll be in the big Grab Bag? Who'll get a real prize?
8,000 pistols is a drop in the bucket compared to the numbers of pistols made for the war effort. According to Clawson, by the end of the war, Remington Rand had produced over 875,000, Colt had made over 628,000, and Ithaca manufactured 335,467 pistols.
I look for a lot of these pistols to be arsenal reworks, and marked as such, especially the Remington Rands and Ithacas. Some of them will have been reworked/repaired by the CMP. They won't be allowed to sell any non-functioning pistols. I think "originality" will be iffy at best, maybe impossible to prove in a lot of cases.
This process seems to be moving a lot faster than a lot of us thought it would. We might see the pistols selling by Fall, or at least by the end of the year.
The last order of 1911A1's were delivered near the end of WWII. Remaining orders were cancelled after the war. As I understand it, no more orders for 1911's were placed after this.
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I think you're right. The last ones were produced for military contracts in late '45. So many of these pistols had been made, the military decided to have the ones that would remain in service refurbished by various arsenals like Rock Island, Augusta, etc.
I have a '43 Remington Rand that was reworked at Rock Island Arsenal. In addition to the "RIA" stamp, it's one of the few I've seen that has the inspector's initials and the flaming bomb stamps. I'm sure there are more like it out there...I just haven't run across them with all the stamps on them. Mine is no collector's piece...but I sure do like it.
And it shoots just fine. I used it to qualify for my NC CHL.
The first 1911 I ever fired for qualification in the Navy Reserve was an Ithaca. Too many years ago for me to recall if it was an A-1 but I bet it was. I'd own a US Government 1911 "just because" but I am not a big enough fan of the platform (like close to naught) to go through the hoops of trying to obtain one from CMP. I expect the price will be fair, though, the CMP is not in the business of making big profits from America's gun owners.
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If it was an Ithaca, yep, it was a 1911A1. I have a '44 Ithaca that I can't even imagine selling.
My guess is that most pistols will be handled just like the rifles, rack, service, and maybe "correct". Any rare or mint will go to CMP auction. I cannot see getting a mint collector by the "luck of the draw", that practiced ended over 30 plus years ago for the M1 sales. Rather than wishing and hoping, perhaps you should search the various sale boards and collector shops now.
People keep saying this like it was the CMP's decision. It is the government who is specifying this. That was one of the prerequisites to the CMP getting these 1911's.
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I'm not aware of ever paying for an NICS background check. No one has ever mentioned it to me, and it isn't itemized on any sales receipts I have.
The CMP is definitely not unique in refusing to ship to a C&R. There are quite a few gun shops in my area who won't ship to a C&R, nor will they accept shipment from one.
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NICS is only for the 1911's
The two-time NICS requirements is new and only for the 1911s. CMP is unique in that it has always been able to sell and ship directly to an individual without having to go through an FFL. This is a significant change in policy.
As to dealers who refuse to accept a C&R for qualifying purchases, I simply don't deal with them either. There is no reason for them to choose to refuse my business, so 'blank' them.
The two-time NICS requirements is new and only for the 1911s. CMP is unique in that it has always been able to sell and ship directly to an individual without having to go through an FFL. This is a significant change in policy.
As to dealers who refuse to accept a C&R for qualifying purchases, I simply don't deal with them either. There is no reason for them to choose to refuse my business, so 'blank' them.
